Thread: Rebuttal to Farenheit 911:

Originally Posted by austinite

Saddam clearly supported terrorists and terrorism. I have proven that.

LMAO....

Originally Posted by austinite

Saddam clearly supported terrorists and terrorism. I have proven that.

A couple of articles in a newspaper don't prove anything. Like I said this government justified the war because of a terrorist threat, thus they must have some proof. If they don't have proof it means they're liars.

If Dick and Bush told you the earth was flat you'd believe them.

Here's an interesting quote from Tony Blair ('Bush's Poodle' as he's known in Europe) taken from Reuters this morning:-

"The evidence about Saddam having actual biological and chemical weapons ... has turned out to be wrong,"

Can someone name 10 good things that bush has done during this presidency and 10 bad things?

Here's the Whitehouse's view of achievements, things are going so well there are more than 10!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/achievement/

At last, help for
all those undecided





Still undecided about Bush vs. Kerry? Take this quiz! Just check the statements you agree with:

ON HOMELAND SECURITY:

o We are winning the war on terrorism, even though the State Department reports the number of significant terrorist attacks last year was at a 21-year high.

o Spending $145 billion in Iraq makes more sense than spending $2 billion to inspect all containers coming into our ports for nuclear weapons.

o Our country's chemical plants should not be forced to secure themselves against terrorist attack.

ON THE ECONOMY:

o I don't mind the fact that African-American household income has declined $2,045 since 2000 because I am not black.

o I don't mind that Hispanic household income has declined by $2,432 because I'm not Hispanic.

o I don't mind if, across the board, Americans are taking home $1,535 less a year because I don't have a job at all!

ON THE WAR:

o Despite the independent, bipartisan 9/11 commission's determining there was no collaboration between Saddam Hussein, a secular dictator, and Osama Bin Laden, an Islamic terrorist, we still HAD to oust Saddam.

ON THE VICE PRESIDENT:

o The fact that Halliburton paid Dick Cheney a $20 million retirement bonus for just five years of work had nothing to do with its subsequently receiving between $7 billion and $11 billion worth of no-bid contracts in Iraq.

ON TAXES:

o President Bush's tax cuts meant to spur the economy will do just that, even though so far they have coincided with the loss of 1 million jobs.

ON MEDICARE:

o The President's Medicare plan makes it illegal for the government to negotiate the price of prescription drugs. That's good economics.

ON SOCIAL SECURITY:

o I do not mind that the President is diverting $1.4 trillion from this fund to pay for other programs.

ON GOVERNMENT SPENDING:

o I do not mind that we have gone from a $236 billion surplus to a $422 billion deficit in four years.

ON EDUCATION:

o Government tries to do too much. Kudos to Bush for cutting vocational ed by $316 million and killing the $247million "Even Start" literacy program Laura liked.

ON THE POSSIBILITY OF A NUCLEAR ATTACK:

o Since we don't know what to do about North Korea's nukes, it is best to ignore them.

ON THE ENVIRONMENT:

o By allowing the mining industry to dump more waste in local waterways, the administration is helping business, and that is good for America.

KEY: If you checked anything, Bush is your man!

Solid you're a bad American ... you have too many facts and are not going to vote on party pride, religion, or self infatuation like Austinite. Shameful ...

Facts????????

ROTFLMFAO

God how much longer til the elections, i don't know if I can take another two months of people arguing politics.

Originally Posted by solid10

Can someone name 10 good things that bush has done during this presidency and 10 bad things?

My personal favorite was the tax cut.

Originally Posted by redspy

Here's an interesting quote from Tony Blair ('Bush's Poodle' as he's known in Europe) taken from Reuters this morning:-

"The evidence about Saddam having actual biological and chemical weapons ... has turned out to be wrong,"

Well, you did post a fact. Too bad it is old news. Yeah, WMD allegations were wrong. We knew that a LONG time ago.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Well, you did post a fact. Too bad it is old news. Yeah, WMD allegations were wrong. We knew that a LONG time ago.

Links between Iraq and terrorism have been exposed as a lie too - so what was the justification for you and your christian soldiers? The old excuuse about dictators?

Originally Posted by Pepper

My personal favorite was the tax cut.

I thought it was the murder of 14,000 innocent Iraqi civilians?

Another example of how super-wealthy Americans are getting richer under Bush was released last week with Forbes' annual list of the 400 richest Americans.

There are now a record 313 billionaires in the country, a 19 percent jump from 2003. The combined net worth of the 400 rose $45 billion this year.

On the same day, the Republican-controlled Congress passed a political tax cut that mostly benefits big corporations and wealthy individuals, adding to the planned total cuts under Bush of $1.9 trillion over ten years.

Despite about half of that money being earmarked for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans, Bush says middle-class Americans will benefit from these cuts. But in 2005, almost 70 percent of this legislation's benefits will go to the wealthiest 20 percent of American families, who will see an average of $1,200 each, according to the Urban Institute-Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center. Only 10 percent of the money will go to the middle fifth of households, who will merely see $169 each.

Who do you think will pay for these tax cuts down the road? Although Bush promised to not pass on problems to future generations, that is exactly what he is doing with his record deficits. Americans will either see more tax increases in the future or further cuts in programs that many people need to survive.

The burden will once again fall on middle-income Americans.

Bush has reduced the share of taxes paid by the wealthiest one percent of Americans, who control about 35 percent of the country's wealth, from 22.2 percent in 2001 to 20.1 percent this year, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Meanwhile, the middle fifth of Americans, who control about 15 percent of the pie, saw their tax burden rise from 18.7 percent to 19.5 percent. The wealthiest one percent received an average tax cut of $78,460 this year, while the middle 20 percent's average take was $1,090.

While Bush claims to lower Americans' taxes, he is really shifting the burden to state and local governments, which usually have tax policies that hurt the middle class more. His 2005 federal budget cut grants for programs to states by about 3 percent, and he has changed laws that resulted in further cuts to Medicaid and Medicare.

Meanwhile, Bush has forced states to pay for unfunded mandates for homeland security, election reform and the No Child Left Behind education law. Federal policies cost state and local entities at least $185 billion over the past four years, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Bush's record also includes a 4.3 million increase in the number of Americans in poverty, a $1,535 decline in median income, after adjusting for inflation, a 5.8 million rise in the number of people without health insurance to a record 45 million, a 1.2 million net loss in jobs, and a 34 percent rise in the average tuition for college. In addition, Bush failed to fulfill his pledges to get bin Laden "dead or alive" and extend the assault weapon ban. He lied us into another Vietnam-like war in Iraq that has killed thousands. He pulled out of the Kyoto agreement on global warming and rolled back more than 200 environmental regulations.

Good post solid.

Unfortunatley the wealthy have to benefit from a tax cut, they are paying the overwhelming majority of the taxes. The liberal hatred of the wealthy and the corporations is somewhat interesting...who do you think pays the salaries of the working class? Who do you think expands the economy? Basically, Liberals have a very simplistic view of economics that makes for great sound bites like most of you guys' posts but is really just a bunch of BS.

It amazes me what you guys will congratulate each other for posting. It is as if there is a website somewhere with all of this BS that gets posted over and over again.

The wealthiest one percent received an average tax cut of $78,460 this year, while the middle 20 percent's average take was $1,090.

This is a perfect example. Wow! Bush is certainly helping the wealthy. We need to get rid of him, right? Well, taxes are a percentage of income...of course a drop in rates will benefit them more in terms of dollars. Nevermind that Clinton HAMMERED this group by taking the top marginal rate to 39.6%!

The bottom line: Liberals=economic illiterates.

Originally Posted by Pepper

The bottom line: Liberals=economic illiterates.

Really? So after 4 years of Rupublican rule you must be of the opinion that our economy is in excellent health then? Bush, The Hoover President, has mismanaged the economy on a massive scale. We can trade economic measures all day but you know the economy has been messed up but you won't acknowledge it.

Originally Posted by redspy

I thought it was the murder of 14,000 innocent Iraqi civilians?

Saddam prob would have killed them eventually anyway.