tomas101

http://static.act04.org/act/paperstock.htm

This is the most blatant attempt I've ever seen (since the last election) to disenfranchise people voting democrat. The only reason he's doing this shit is because democrats registering to vote is up an enormous amount in Ohio.


speak on it people!

BoneCrusher

Thus it begins ...

camarosuper6

LOL...

ACT is nearly as bad as ACLU. The article is probably twisted to hell to make an "evil" republican look bad. I wouldnt believe a thing out of their garbage mouths.

They'll say or do anything to get Kerry in office.

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tomas101

Did you even read the link? The people that will be affected are the ones that have tried registering recently with registration card printed on the wrong type of paper. As it also said, democrats have been outregistering republicans 10 to 1. If democrats are the overwhelming majority of recent registrations, isn't it safe to say that it's THESE people are the ones that will be affected the most?

If you paid any attention to what's going on, democrats registering to vote in Ohio is up 250% lately.

tomas101

NY Times article from last sunday:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/po...gn/26vote.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A sweeping voter registration campaign in heavily Democratic areas has added tens of thousands of new voters to the rolls in the swing states of Ohio and Florida, a surge that has far exceeded the efforts of Republicans in both states, a review of registration data shows.

The analysis by The New York Times of county-by-county data shows that in Democratic areas of Ohio - primarily low-income and minority neighborhoods - new registrations since January have risen 250 percent over the same period in 2000. In comparison, new registrations have increased just 25 percent in Republican areas. A similar pattern is apparent in Florida: in the strongest Democratic areas, the pace of new registration is 60 percent higher than in 2000, while it has risen just 12 percent in the heaviest Republican areas.

While comparable data could not be obtained for other swing states, similar registration drives have been mounted in them as well, and party officials on both sides say record numbers of new voters are being registered nationwide. This largely hidden but deadly earnest battle is widely believed by campaign professionals and political scientists to be potentially decisive in the presidential election.

"We know it's going on, and it's a very encouraging sign," said Steve Elmendorf, deputy campaign manager for Senator John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee. The new voters, Mr. Elmendorf said, "could very much be the difference."

A spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, Christine Iverson, declined to comment on The Times's findings and said she did not believe Republicans were lagging in the registration battle. "We're very confident that we have a ground game that's as good as the Democrats', and better," she said.

The precise impact of the swell in registration is difficult to predict, as there is no reliable gauge of how many of these new voters will actually vote. Some experts, though, say that the spike has not been accurately captured by political polls and could confound prognostications in closely contested states.

What is clear is that each side has deployed huge numbers of workers and devoted millions of dollars to the effort. Much of it is being directed by civil rights and community groups, as well as soft-money organizations allied with the Democrats. One such Democratic umbrella group, America Votes, says its constituents - labor unions, trial lawyers, environmental groups, community organizations - will spend $300 million on registration and turnout in swing states, a sum that dwarfs the $150 million in public financing the two candidates together will receive for the entire fall campaign.

The registration drives are just the first step in a campaign by each side to get more Americans to vote by using personal contact. As registration winds down, with early October cutoffs in many states, efforts will shift to staying in touch through Election Day with repeated phone calls and visits, and, on Nov. 2, ferrying people to the polls.

In Ohio - no Republican presidential candidate has ever been elected without carrying the state - the campaign has been especially exhaustive. Canvassers ride public transportation, visit coin laundries, and trudge the sidewalks and parking lots at the job centers, housing agencies and community colleges.

In Columbus, Akume Green has haunted the Franklin County Courthouse for months, working the sidewalk between the entrance and the nearby bus stop. Ms. Green says she has signed up more than 700 voters since March here and elsewhere in the city. But it is getting harder to do so, she said. On a recent day, the first 12 people she asked said they had already registered.

"I get about 30 new voters or changes of address in six hours," said Ms. Green, who was hired by Project Vote, the nonpartisan arm of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn. "I used to get 16 in 45 minutes, but now everyone's registered."

Studies have shown that calling voters and showing up at their houses before and on Election Day substantially increases turnout - and is cheaper per vote than buying a television advertisement. Republicans used the strategy with great success in the 2002 elections.

But Donald P. Green, a professor of political science at Yale who has conducted many of those studies, said there was no reliable way to tell how many new voters would turn out at the polls, especially those from lower-income areas.

"Do you get 30 percent, or do you get 70 percent?" Professor Green said. "To the extent that these new voters are on the radar screen of groups that have the kind of resources these groups have at their disposal, they might well turn out."

Steve Rosenthal, the chief executive of Americans Coming Together, or ACT, a soft-money group that is trying to register Democrats, said he believed they would. "I think what's happening on the streets, below the radar, is what's going to make the big difference on Election Day," said Mr. Rosenthal, who said his organization and the other groups would register two and a half million new Democratic voters nationwide.

But Republican officials say they remain confident that their voters will prove easier to get to the polls. "It would scare me if we weren't doing our own thing," said Joanne Davidson, the regional chairwoman of the Bush campaign in four Midwestern states including Ohio, of the wave of new Democrats. "We know how to turn out voters."

tomas101

Ms. Green is typical of the army of registrars who have been working the streets here, some of them since last September. Their persistence has produced results. Franklin County had 650,000 registered voters in the 2000 election. "Now we're over 800,000," said Matt Damschroder, the director of the Board of Elections. "If you look at the pure census numbers, you'd think we are close to registering the entire voting-age population."

Project Vote says it has registered 147,000 new voters in Ohio. Americans Coming Together said that, together with allied groups that are part of America Votes, it had registered 300,000 new voters. America Votes and ACT are openly Democratic, although they cannot legally coordinate with the party or the Kerry campaign.

Republican officials say they think the paid workers who are registering low-income voters are sloppy, and are skeptical of the number of voters they claim to have registered, saying many are duplicates and changes of address. Mr. Damschroder said he had to throw out many of the cards he got because the voters were already registered. "One woman had signed a card three different times," with three different groups, he said.

Prosecutors in Columbus have filed criminal charges against an Acorn registrar, saying that he filed a false registration form and forged a signature. Officials for the group say they fired the worker and instituted a quality checking system before the prosecutors acted.

Nevertheless, an examination of county registration records shows that the groups have added thousands of new Democrats to the rolls and have far outnumbered new registrations in Republican areas. In a 300-square-block area east of the courthouse in downtown Columbus that voted nine to one against Mr. Bush in 2000, for instance, 3,000 new voters have registered this year. That is three times as many as in each of the last two presidential election years. The number of registered voters in the area is up 18 percent since January.

By comparison, in a prosperous area north of downtown with a similar number of voters who are overwhelmingly Republican, just 1,100 new voters have been added this year, increasing registration rolls by 7 percent.

These numbers are similar across Ohio. The Times examined registration from Jan. 1 to July 31 in a sample of counties that included seven of the state's nine largest, along with some smaller rural and suburban counties. Voters do not give a party affiliation when they register in Ohio, but The Times looked at the voting history of ZIP codes to gauge the political inclinations of the new voters.

In rock-ribbed Republican areas - 103 ZIP codes, many of them rural and suburban areas, that voted by two to one or better for George W. Bush in 2000 - 35,000 new voters have registered, a substantial increase over the 28,000 that registered in those areas in the first seven months of 2000. The Ohio Republican party said it was pleased with the results.

"It's not easy work, but we go door to door in strong Republican precincts, making sure everyone is registered," said Chris McNulty, the state party chairman.

But in heavily Democratic areas - 60 ZIP codes mostly in the core of big cities like Cleveland, Dayton, Columbus and Youngstown that voted two to one or better against Mr. Bush - new registrations have more than tripled over 2000, to 63,000 from 17,000.

In Florida, where The Times was able to analyze data from 60 of the state's 67 counties, new registrations this year also are running far ahead of the 2000 pace, with Republican areas trailing Democratic ones. In the 150 ZIP codes that voted most heavily for Mr. Bush, 96,000 new voters have registered this year, up from 86,000 in 2000, an increase of about 12 percent.

But in the heaviest of Democratic areas, 110 ZIP codes that gave two-thirds or more of their votes to Al Gore, new registrations have increased to 125, 000 from 77,000, a jump of more than 60 percent.

In Duval County, where a confusing ballot design in 2000 helped disqualify thousands of ballots in black precincts, new registrations by black voters are up 150 percent over the pace of 2000.

"We're using guerrilla tactics to get into the malls and sign up voters before the security guards chase us off," said Adam Broad, 40, an organizer in Duval County with the Florida Consumer Action Network Foundation, one of dozens of community groups registering in Florida.

The groups are building nationwide databases of voters and have committed millions of dollars for continued contact with them before and on Election Day.

"If every Democrat showed up at the polls, you'd win, no question," said James Koehler, a precinct organizer in Columbus working for MoveOn.org, another soft-money group. Mr. Koehler said MoveOn hoped to have a volunteer in every precinct to call neighbors on Nov. 2.

But intensive voter contact and turnout are exactly what the Republicans believe they do best. Their plan calls for the same kind of sophisticated targeting, and a last-minute push for turnout called a 72-hour strategy, the plan Republicans used in 2002 to overwhelm incumbent Democrats like former Senator Max Cleland in Georgia.

Even before Election Day, the new voters may be having an impact on the campaign, because they may not be accurately reflected in the political polls.

"The people who are new voters are disengaged; they're less likely to respond to a poll question," said Philip Klinkner, a government professor at Hamilton College.

camarosuper6

NY Times isnt much better. I dont buy a lot into the liberal media, sorry.

Guess we'll see at election time. Im not much into predictions.

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tomas101

of course you dont but u prolly believe in fox news??

camarosuper6

Of course

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milliman

This is the same old Democrat stuff. Sign them up and pay them something to vote for your guy. Pack of cigs or a six pack. Go ahead and vote a couple of times too, we will give you transportation there too. Dems do not want to have your ID checked because they might catch you voting multiple times. But they try to pass off the ID issue in that it might scare away some voter. BULLSHIT Showing an ID is not going to scare anyone away UNLESS they are voting more than once.

Did you see in Florida how they sued last week for some 5 million votes that were not going to be counted ? ? ?

When you read further you found it was all of the convicted felons. Jesse Jackson was in court saying it was a conspiracy against black people since there was a larger percentage of blacks that were felons than whites. BULLSHIT
Felons have never been allowed to vote. It has noting to do with the color of your skin.

Nice. . . Dems went to court to not count military votes. The guys who fight for our country (since they vote more Republican), but they do want to count convicted felons (who more more Democrat).

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tomas101

it was convicted felons, who were allowed to reregister...i think i posted that article too on here....its getting dirty on both sides, but republicans are noticing that they may not win the younger vote

Its a known fact that in general, Republicans benefit from low voter turnout and Democrats benefit from high voter turnout. That's been the case nation wide for decades. What Ken Blackwell's doing in Ohio should be criminal just as what Jeb Bush did here in Florida in 2000 and tried again this year. For those who don't know, he had over 40,000 legally registered Democrats removed from the voting rolls back in 2000 under the guise of them being convicted fellons. They weren't allowed to vote in 2000 and we all know how Florida turned out then. Afterwards, it was discovered that less than 5% of those he had removed were actually fellons. The other 95% were disinfranchised. He attempted to "purge" the voter rolls again this year, but it was stopped before it got too far.

When you have to stoop to this level just to try and get an election to turn out the way you want it, democracy is lost to corruption and greed.

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Spitfire

Yet another political thread, yea

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Pepper

These "disenfranchise" stories are all crap. I really can't believe they have "legs" but I guess in the Internet age people will believe anything.

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Pepper

Fox News is biased, but it is a hell of lot closer to being unbiased that CNN and even CBS.

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Pepper

Ya know, even just a week ago, I was getting bummed about all the political threads, but I have come to enjoy them.

It gets a little nasty sometimes, but no one seems to be taking it too seriously/personally.

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Dale Mabry

f you ahole.

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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Pepper

That's it. I'm out of here. Look for my goodbye thread here in a minute.

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ALBOB

Good. It's about time your sorry ass went and stunk up some other site.

Rules? You mean we have RULES for that???

tomas101

i guess any story bashing republicans must be false right? why doenst any one open their eyes and actually look around at what they are doing...how is this not true??? go ahead hide from the truth

tomas101

your kidding right?? i have never seen someone fluf(sp) the president as bad as i did last nite with oreily and Bush..that was just pathetic on fox's part...

BoneCrusher

Republicans rock!!! It is the Bush crew that sucks ass.

tomas101

tru..both sides are corrupt as hell...it just seems right now, repubs are being a lil more scandolous at the moment...btw, i'm an independent

Chain Link

Any opinions on Yahoo news? Theyve always seemed pretty unbiased to me, at least on the few stories Ive actually checked.
Eh, as far as ohio goes.. Let em be disenfranchised. The Ohio anti-gun crowd is(or was.. dunno how it worked out) trying to make the,"Assault weapons" ban effective to their state so it wouldnt disappear after the federal AWB ended..? At this point even liberals know the AWB was inneffective for many reasons, but these people persisted anyways.

Want one sided media?
http://www.endhandgunviolence.org/ne...post5_7_04.cfm
Seriously, I could have sworn a few years back, in 6th grade social studies class with Mr. Cafazzo, he said it was illegal for the media to lie, there were laws in place to stop it.. I say we nuke Ohio, Right after California.

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Pepper

Of course every story involving Republicans is not false. These particular stories are just plain ridiculous.

If they were true, Fox News would tell me BTW, there is no TV media more biased than CNN.

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milliman

To outright lie, yes. They are also supposed to try to print both sides of each issue too. But quoting sources that you decide not to check out, or just quoting whatever anyone has to say is wrong and almost as bad as lieing.

If I were a journalist and I decided to quote someone in your class who lied about you and put it in the paper, it could ruin your reputation. I, as the journalist, am under a duty to check out the story on your side and print both sides of the case so you at least have a chance to defend yourself.

that is the isse with Dan Rather. He goes public with a story based on forged documents. He hated Bush so much that he wanted it to be true. When he tried to check the sources, he was not able to and went public with it anyhow. Then when it comes out the it is a forgery, he does not even appoligize. Well let me take that back. He appoligized to his audience for not be able to authenticate the documents. He never did appoligize to Bush for publishing forged documents to tarnish his character.

So did he know it was a lie when he did the story. Well, technically no. But he did not check the other side and still stood behind it even when he could not verify its source.

When you get to that level, you have the law of what is right and wrong and you have peoples personalities and prejudices that get in the way.

By the way, did they not teach you about "Yellow Journalism" in the class too.