Thread: Debate Round 2

The only thing it proved to me was:

1. Kerry has a plan. I went to his website and read his plan. Evidently, most of it is classified, since what is posted doesn't say much, if anything at all. It's mostly, we live in a dream world, and can do this. (sprinkle copious amounts of fairly dust here).

2. The more Kerry opens his mouth, the more I dislike him.


I'd have to call the debate a draw, with a strong leaning towrads Bush as far as winning it.

I would also call the debate a draw. Possibly an edge to Bush.

Bush came out swinging and made a considerable improvement compared to the first debate. Overall I think Kerry had the edge though.

Originally Posted by Stickboy

The only thing it proved to me was:

1. Kerry has a plan. I went to his website and read his plan. Evidently, most of it is classified, since what is posted doesn't say much, if anything at all.

But is sounds better than:

1) I don't have a clue ! or
2) I am going to raise your taxes !

If you get to precise on "The Plan" then you piss of certain groups.
If you sound good and leave it like a blank slate, then you don't bother anyone because they can't tell what you are going to do.

The MSNBC poll currently shows that 69% of viewers thought Kerry won. Obviously this is a very unscientific poll.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#survey

Either way, Bush was substantially better than last week, which may shift the polls back in his favor... not that I'm a big fan of polls anyway.

I like my pole, I mean poll.

Originally Posted by milliman

I like my pole, I mean poll.

100% Bush
. 0% Kerry

Although it was a small group poled, I mean polled,
it was very scientific and precise. I asked my wife.

Margin for error + or - 100%.

I thought it was interesting to watch Bush lie. For example, when he was asked why he wont let us get prescription drugs from canada he said "I don't know what's in them, I want to keep the american people safe"

When in all actuality, one of the first things he did in office was allow drug companies the right to not publish their contents.

The whole abortion debate seemed to go over his head. I really don't know which way you people stand on abortion, but Bush was so disgustingly republican about his answer on that... it just shows that he has no interest in listening to the people on topics. This is important to embriotic stem cell research.

When the question came up about the woman who's sisters were traveling 'abroad' and discovered how people really felt about the US, GWB showed no signs of trying to repair relatoins.

Bush got schooled on the Supreme court justice question. It really displayed his untruthful/storytelling side.

And lastly, when Bush was asked the question about him making "thousands of descisions over the past four years, what were three you made mistakes on?" ; He had nothing to share. He gave no insight into an incredible learning expirience. Going into office and being president for four years, you would only hope the man learned something? The guy let me down.

I don't understand why anybody on this board would benefit from his re-election?

The whole abortion debate seemed to go over his head. I really don't know which way you people stand on abortion, but Bush was so disgustingly republican about his answer on that... it just shows that he has no interest in listening to the people on topics. This is important to embriotic stem cell research.

If Pro-Life is disgustingly Republican, then I'm just totally gross. I'm not trying to start another pointless abortion thread here, but if your pro-life, abortion is wrong period, I could care less what the people think about the topic.

As far as stem-cell research is concerned...as of NOW it is simply abortion at the most basic level. The new research I was reading about, would be able to extract the components for research without an actual embryo. THAT would be awesome.

When the question came up about the woman who's sisters were traveling 'abroad' and discovered how people really felt about the US, GWB showed no signs of trying to repair relatoins.

Jeezuz, I am so damn sick and tired of democrats (in general) caring so much what the rest of the world thinks about us. Honestly, who gives a shit. We cant make everyone happy. We do our best to help the rest of the world when things go bad and we still end up pissin some poor ass country off.
Honestly, who CARESSSSSSSSSSSSS. This is America. Its the presidents job to worry about US. Not them.

Now in saying that, Im not saying we should not attempt to have peace with other countries. Nor do I mean disrespect towards (most) other countries. Its just time we quit worrying so damn mucn about our image and start worrying about ourselves.

Still can't believe I missed it.

Hmmmmm lets look at the issues discussed.

Abortion
Iraq
Employment
Deficet
Embryonic Stem Cell research
Foriegn policy
Kerry's flip-flops
Bush's track record

Am I missing anything?

Originally Posted by GoalGetter

Still can't believe I missed it.

Check your local listings GG there is always a rerun

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Check your local listings GG tere is always a rerun

Will do. I ended up reading the transcripts online, this morning, but would still like to watch. Thanks!

Ya. Dish has it playing again

Het Camaro which dish receiver do you have?

Not really sure man. I live with a roomate and his wife, and it belongs to them. Although we live in VERY northern california, we still get a lot of LA channels.

Are their different dishes?

Well, yeah but that is not as important as the receiver. Some have a hard drive that lets you control when you watch what. Like Tivo's deal. The 508 is good for a starter, but either the 721 (has 2 tuners so you can watch 1 show while recordeing another) or even the 921 that records in high def (also has 2 tuners). It's good stuff if ya are busy and want some control over the times you watch what. Also have the replay, pause, and fast-forward options. Good for when Tyson bit off Holyfield's ear ... my son and I watched that like 10 times in a row and laughed or hind ends off. Watching a recorded show ... or 1 that you have delayed for 20 min's or so ... and you skip all the commercials.

I digress and am whoring the thread up a weeeeee bit. Did I leave out any issues?

Ha... sounds like a good deal.

I AM getting SIRIUS in my car in the next two weeks. The radio stations up here are absolute TORTURE, and when I go to Sac to fly home (about 4 hour drive) its all mountains and I dont get a good radio signal nearly the entire time.

Its tough here.

GG, or anyone else that missed the debate...
You can watch it on streaming video or read it word for word here on the Fox News Website...

*(Make sure you have a fast connection for the video though)

CLICK HERE

Originally Posted by GoalGetter

Still can't believe I missed it.

Sat radio kicks ass. You picked the better of the two too. XM has a crap load of commercials on more of their stations than SIRIUS does. Lots of talk radio too .... you can get more politics in your life. We all love that ...

Biggest screw-up from the debate was when Bush missed the chance to bring up the fact that even when Saddam was invading Kuwait John Kerry voted against American involvement. That would have been a great thing for bush to bring in when kerry was talking about the "great job the generals did in the Gulf War..." Kerry is weak, that's just one more example.

The fact the American public does not hold John Kerry accountable for his voting record in the senate is very disturbing. You people see what you want to see & listen to what you want to listen to. Go ahead & vote with your blinders on & remember this the next time our country is attacked & President Kerry slaps them on the hand.. maybe even have a summit!!! that'll do some good!

I have never said everything Bush does is valid or even right, but he is the president we need in war time.

I said it once & I'll say it again... Kerry cannot win, but Bush can lose. If Kerry is the next president, it's because the country wants Bush out, not because they want Kerry in. Kerry is a sad & worthless alternative.

.. but hey, this is the same country that elected bill clinton twice.

Spoken like a devoted Republican ...

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

Jeezuz, I am so damn sick and tired of democrats (in general) caring so much what the rest of the world thinks about us. Honestly, who gives a shit. We cant make everyone happy. We do our best to help the rest of the world when things go bad and we still end up pissin some poor ass country off.
Honestly, who CARESSSSSSSSSSSSS. This is America. Its the presidents job to worry about US. Not them.

When there is a disaster somewhere in the world, who sends out most (if not all) of the people and relief supplies ?
Yet these same countries will rag on us for "not doing enough". We can't even keep them happy when we are giving money away. They will always say you could do something better.

All we can do is listen and make our choice. But we can't get all bent if they don't agree.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Spoken like a devoted Republican ...

As I've said, I claim I'm a republican strictly because of the conservative aspect of it. Political parties really don't mean shit to me. I personally care about the issues & I have a far right, conservative view. Even if I didn't like GWB, I would still vote for him. Voting for anyone other than Kerry or Bush is a waste. Voting for Kerry, I would see it as indirectly voting for a pro-choice candidate, and I could never do that.

You always claim you're a "republican on issues", yet you're doing your part to send a man who is against everything that conservatives stand for to the presidency.

Originally Posted by milliman

Yet these same countries will rag on us for "not doing enough". We can't even keep them happy when we are giving money away. They will always say you could do something better.

This was sung by Mac Davis at an Accademy Awards show or some show like it back in '81. Funny how the names have changed but the song is still timely.

Well ya can’t even look at the TV these days

with out getten scared half to death



They’re’s strikes and inflation & Strife between nations

the world’s in a hell of a mess



The eye witness news leaves me used and abused

I find myself gasping for breath

Lord but there’s one thing for certain

No matter who’s hurtin’

the whole world ‘L blame the US





So why don’t we all just get stoned

Get drunk

Get drunk & sing beer drinking songs



Between Brezhnev & Beagin

Khomeini & Regan

We might as well all just get stoned





The Russians don’t like us & we don’t like them
The Israilies hate the Aeyrabs


Iran & Iraq er on each other’s back &

El’Salvadoor’s still up for grabs



Well I wish they’d take Idée Ahmeen and Kohmainy

and Kahdoffy and all of the rest



Lord Tie ‘em all to a chair & make stare at Yasir Arafat

till he uglies the whole bunch to death

Speaking of names changing, but things still the same. I was watching "Back the the Future" with the kids. And remember who it is that shoots the Doc:

"The Terrorists".

They even wore the red and white checkered rags on their heads.

I guess the only diff, is that they are now bringing that crap to this half of the world.