Dale Mabry

I am down for McCain. Rudy G, I am going to have to pass, I think McCain would be superior. Although I think Rudy G would be more likely to beat that bitch Billary.

If sense were common, everyone would have it.

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Rauschgift

Mani,
I think that was the longest post in the history of the internet. Do you have any of your own thoughts or do you just read, believe, and regurgitate...er cut and paste into forums?

Do not demand what you cannot take by force.

maniclion

1551 Reasons not to put King George the II back on the throne.

http://www.thousandreasons.org/listC.html in chronological order.

Top Ten:

1. Honesty
   Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life. George Bush is applauded for overthrowing two governments (three, if you count Haiti) based on deception. He lied about the threat of Iraq, he lied about the cost, and he lied about the expected outcome. He lied about the purpose of his tax cuts, he lied about education, the environment, energy, and his own past. He lied about the cost of Medicare. Everything he says is choreographed to achieve political gain without consideration for the truth. In Bush's administration, truth takes a back seat to power every time.
2. War
   History will not be kind to George Bush. In two years he overthrew two governments, and has his eyes on several others. He has ignored the UN, the US public, and 90% of the rest of the world, including millions who protested in the streets. He has violated the US Constitution and international law by attacking Iraq when it was not a threat to anyone. In his empire-building march across the Middle East, he has wasted the lives of thousands. History will wonder why no one stopped him.
3. Economy
   As soon as people saw that Bush might get elected in 2000, the economy started to fall, helped by Bush's talk of recession. He, of course, tried to blame Clinton. Since then, the economy has dipped in and out of recession, a million jobs have evaporated, deficits are soaring, and Bush's only response is to cut taxes for the wealthy. Every few months he promises that jobs are just around the corner -- if Congress will only approve my tax cuts -- but month after month job statistics give substance to the lie. Bush seems bent on destroying the very institution he heads.
4. Liberties
   Yes, we need to catch terrorists, but we don't need a police state to do it. John Ashcroft has shown no concern for personal liberties, only for catching the "bad guys." Is it really necessary for the government to know what books you read? Is it necessary to read your e-mail? Must librarians be gagged? This slide toward Fascism is as scary as anything else Bush does. And rather than scale back the most egregious aspects of the act, Bush wants to make it even more intrusive.
5. Taxes
   No one likes taxes, but we all pay them in hopes that the government will provide the services we need and want: schools, highways, bridges, and security. Bush, like Reagan before him, intends to choke the government down to size. By cutting taxes, primarily for the wealthy, deficits soar and nothing is left for education, the environment, social programs (including Social Security) or necessary regulation of corporations. After spending $800 billion a year (by independent estimates) on a bloated military, there is no money for books, no money for highways, not even money for the soldiers who must fight his wars. There is no money. But schools must remain open, roads must be repaired, and the sick must find treatment; all this is left to the state and local governments, which are now raising taxes, firing teachers, and cutting services.
6. Environment
   One of his first acts as president was to raise the allowable level of arsenic in drinking water. Since then, we have seen a continuous assault on the forests, the air, the water, and the land. Global warming threatens to wreak havoc on our economy, our food supply, and our social fabric, but Bush only listens to the scientists on the political right, and they see no reason to panic. Don't worry, be happy.
7. International Relations
   When you're the strongest nation by a factor of ten, you don't need to play nice. You can be a bully, and if other countries don't like it, too bad. Under Bush, we've seen this arrogant attitude regularly. He walked away from Kyoto, from the land mine treaty, from the international women's rights treaty, and the international criminal court. He ignored the pleas of long-time allies to avoid war, insulting them childishly. It will be decades before we can regain the respect of the world.
8. Secrecy
   This is the most secret administration in memory. Decisions are clearly being made by corporations and far-right interest groups, but Bush refuses to admit it or to say who is behind such important policies as energy. Government can only be trusted in the sunlight, and this government hides at undisclosed locations.
9. Military
   We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. While most of us appreciate the sense of security a strong military brings, we also question the wisdom of such spending when we have no clear enemy. Iraq was overthrown for about $100 billion. We spend four times that every year on the military. And now Bush wants to build a magical missile shield that no one believes will actually work. Oh, it will cost many billions, and a few select corporations will get rich, but meanwhile we have other needs, desperate needs, that are not being met. We don't even have health care for all our children. We can't even provide breakfast for all our children, or books, or decent schools. But we can kill bad guys better than anyone. And if Bush has his way, we will soon be dropping tactical nuclear bombs on them.
10. Corruption
    The line between corporations and the government has disappeared during the Bush administration. Corporations give money to elect Bush, then Bush forms policies and rules that favor those same corporations. This is nowhere more evident than in the energy industry, which has sent millions to Bush in the form of campaign contributions, then received billions in return. Think Bush, Cheney, Bechtel, Halliburton, Schultz.

MaxMirkin

Shit, as long as that bitch is kept away from the White House, we'll all be happy.
But i gotta tell you, from personal experience, Giuliani is the man. NY was never safer or in better hands then when he was our mayor. And the way he handled everything during 9/11, was just....fucking inspirational.

The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule.

tomas101

i'd love to see mccain run, but he'll be too old by then...i cant stand rudy g...i think he's an ass and trys to soak the 9/11 bullshit too much...how about obama??

busyLivin

nah, he's a democrat.

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Flex

DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER.

My thoughts exactly, Dale.

You're a funny guy, Sully, I like you. Dat's why I'm going to kill you lahst.


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redspy

This is a major concern for the Democrats. My resigned prediction is that the Dems will win in terms of the popular vote but lose the electoral college.

Al Qaeda will be delighted. The Iraq war has been the best recruiting tool in their history.

The DOJ has kindly published the Al Qaeda Training Manual just in case any of these fuckers looses their copy
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm

Prince

New Rule: Everyone has to stop pretending that George Bush is macho because, plainly, he acts like a girl.

Not a woman – a girl. Not a week goes by when John Kerry isn't attacked because he said something that hurt someone's feelings. According to Bush spokes people, Kerry lost the first debate because of his “new insult” to our allies when he said the coalition wasn't genuine. Poland had Lithuania over for a debate party that night, and now they can't look at each other without crying.

All of the attacks on Kerry involve his thoughtless words, like when he said the Iraqi prime minister wasn't legitimate – the bitch; he hurt the troops when he said Iraq was the wrong war at the wrong time – men!; he hurt the Vietnam vets when he called that war a mistake – he is so not sitting with us at lunch anymore.

Bush is all, “And another thing about John Kerry: he uses Botox, he spends too much time on his hair, and he's two-faced: flip-flopper!

And, I bet John Kerry didn't even deserve any of those medals. I woulda gone to stupid old Vietnam , but I wanted to be a stay-at-home soldier.”

Excuse me, this president isn't resolute: he's on the rag.

He stopped having press conferences, which is basically saying, “I'm not talking to you.” He acted all crampy at the debates: “Its hard work” – I kept waiting for him to say, “If you don't like how I do your shirts, then iron them yourself.”

He even ran for President like a girl. Promising to “restore dignity to the Oval office.” What man gives a rat's ass about restoring an office? A real man thinks the Oval Office lost all its integrity the day Monica Lewinsky stopped coming in there to blow the president.

And then, in the one area – I'm talking about Iraq – where he could use being a little in touch with his feminine side he acts like the typical stupid male, who gets himself lost when he's driving, won't admit it, and won't stop and ask for directions. Always insisting, “Please, I know what I'm doing.”

The only time guys like this learn their lesson is when their wives leave them. So on November second, I suggest we get a divorce.

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Saturday Fever

maniclion said it best. All ye debaters should read his post and figure out how to retort and not sound silly.

yay.

Stickboy

Doesn't matter. Bush is ahead in projected electoral votes, so unless something really drastic happens, it's already over.

No use debating the issues since Bush pretty much has it locked up.

Best part is....the more Kerry opens his mouth, the more votes he loses. (I'm talking about informed voters, not the people that believe stuff like Farenheit 9/11 is gospel).

redspy

Given the performance of Kerry in the debates and his subsequent increase in popularity you're completely out of touch here.

Saturday Fever

Let's not insult someone's intelligence based on an opinion. It is flawed and impossible to prove (and rather ludicrous to believe) that "informed voters" will vote for Bush, implying dumbasses will vote Kerry. If you like Bush, that's fine. If you can somehow prove he's the best vote (trust me you can't, it's like a thread on what religion is right) then either do it or respect everyone else's ideas.

Personally, I'm voting Libertarian. In my opinion, any vote for reps or dems is a wasted vote. Contrary to popular belief.

yay.

maniclion

If Bush wins and drags the country down with him can I punch every Bush supporter in the face?

redspy

Do you really want to come face-to-face with that many rednecks?

busyLivin

Bring it on

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Stickboy

If I insulted someones intelligence, then I apologize.

Perhaps my logic is flawed, but I would think that anyone that has honestly looked at Kerry's voting record would be anything but appalled. (Hence, the
"informed voters" comment).

You are reading what you want to, into what I posted.

The current projected electoral vote count isn't opinion, it's fact. It may change in the coming days or weeks, but as of 10/10/04 - that's where it stands. Bush has enough to win, Kerry doesn't.

busyLivin

That will probably happen: Bush wins electoral vote, loses popular vote.

That's sad... as much as I want Bush to win, I really want him to take the popular vote, too. Oh well, take it how I can get it.

I won't be a hypocrite, though.. I do think the popular vote should be president. Does anyone know why we have the electoral college?

I have to be careful, though.. in 2000 they predicted Bush would win the popular vote, and lose the electoral to Gore.

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Stickboy

What increase in popularity? A couple of points in the polls means nothin if he can't win the required Electoral Votes. It doesn't really matter then, does it?

maniclion

You're right I'd rather face 10 muslim extremists who would chop of my head in 15 seconds than 2 rednecks in a pick-up truck, drunk on Jim Beam and armed with a lasso and 15 miles of gravel road.

Stickboy

It was a very smart thing to have the electoral college in my opinion. Our founding fathers were very wise in the way they set this country up. No EC, then a few states would be dictating who wins or loses an election.

Would you really want the left coast and the east coast dictating to the other 40 or states who would win the election? It would essentially become a one party system without the EC.

busyLivin

I see.. makes sense. Thanks stick.

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redspy

Your contention was "the more Kerry opens his mouth, the more votes he loses." This doesn't align with what the latest polls are telling us.

Your point about the electoral college going to the Republicans is probably true, but that doesn't make your above statement correct.

The 'wildcard' issue is the huge number of new people registering to vote, typically a higher turnout benefits the Democrats.

Stickboy

You know, it depends on what poll you are looking at, doesn't it? I've seen recent polls that has Bush up by 6%, or down by 4% and anywhere in between.

Perhaps not.

True, but conservatives are coming out in droves to register to vote as well.

maniclion