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Fahrenheit 9-11
just watched fahrenheit 9-11, well if that isn't disturbing, I am not just talking about Bush, the US government in general.
to say that all of it is crap and Michael Moore's opinion is rediculous, some yes, the majority not at all. unless you have actually watched the entire thing I do not want to hear anything from you freaking republicans. ![]() I rented the DVD and I do think it is a worthwhile movie for ALL Americans to watch. BOARD SPONSORS: ![]()
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Rebel without a clue
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Now, you need to see FahrenHYPE 9/11 and see if you still have the same opinion.
Oh, you can rent this too. |
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that must be the one funded by Bush, because my god did they reveal some real shit about the Bush family and their connections to Saudi Arabia, of course I am sure none of that is true....the Bush family is not corrupt, and neither is the US government.
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Pull up master
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Yes Prince and all who have seen the Michael Moore propaganda piece.
To get the balanced picture, you need to see FahrenHYPE 9/11. Or as Paul Harvey would say "and now you know the rest of the story". Michael Moore just gives an ugly distorted story filled with half truths and some blatant lies. This rebuttal piece will help to set the truth straight.
Quitters never win, and winners never quit ! ! !
Who says big guys can't do pull ups ? Wide grip, behind the neck: . 37 @ 182 lbs. 33 @ 198 lbs
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and you have both seen Fahrenheit 9-11?
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/pr...TICLE_ID=39723 Quote: The letter to Moore says, "In an instance that The Pantagraph prints materials in which there is a mistake, it is corrected. It is our hope that you would adhere to the same high ethical standard and correct the inaccurate information which has been depicted in your film." In its news story, the paper said, "The letter calls into question the ethics of how Moore made his movie, a movie whose primary purpose is to call into question the ethics of the Bush White House." |
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Pull up master
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I am going to see both this weekend. But my brother in law has seen both and heard commentary both already and has told me how slanted Michael movie is. It is common knowledge that Moore hates Bush too. You will also note that he treats it as a documentary to give it an aura of legitimacy, but to avoid legal law suits he subtley says that it is not a documentary.
I will have first hand knowledge next week and can speak better.
Quitters never win, and winners never quit ! ! !
Who says big guys can't do pull ups ? Wide grip, behind the neck: . 37 @ 182 lbs. 33 @ 198 lbs
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can you also give me your opinions on the latest movies that are at the theaters this month too? maybe we can call your brother-in-law. BOARD SPONSORS: ![]()
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Pull up master
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Here are two sites discussing the movie.
They both say it is not a right wing response to Moore. It contains Dems and Republicans and other people Moore quoted in his movie that feel Moore mis-represented what they had to say about what was going on. They also say Kerry is never even mentioned. It deals just with the stuff Moore discussed and the terrorist threat of the fanatical Rag heads. http://news.topix.net/overstock.html http://mayflowerhill.blogspot.com/20...nhype-911.html |
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Pull up master
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We all rely on other people's opinions we trust and we can read commentary by other organizations as well to get an idea about something before we ever see it first hand. |
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Rebel without a clue
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UNfortunately, I did. My neighbor rented it, and brought it over.
![]() Never seen such propaganda in my life. When watching 9/11, you need to remember you are watching someone's OPINION. (Nevermind the fact that he edited things to support it). For example, Richard Clark approved the Saudi's departures. ON Sept 13th - when general aviation was opened up to EVERYONE that wanted to fly. He himself said that this decision went no higher in the government. In the golf course scene, Bush was talking about an attack on Israel, not the 9/11 attacks. The Saudi Embassy is not the only embassy that recieves Secret Service protection. Not all do, but some do. The US has a policy to provide protection for any embassy that requests it. Some of the quotes about the 9/11 commision have been RE-SEQUENCED. You are not seeing it as it actually happened in the Moore film. As such, statements are presented out of context to support Moore's opinion on it. This movie proved one thing to me. Moore has no credibility. Once you start cutting film and putting it out of context, says something about the individual presenting it. |
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What most folks are entirely missing about "Farenheight 9/11" is that it shouldn't spark a debate about Pro-Bush or Anti-Bush.
It should start discussion about the GOVERNMENT in general. I agree with Robert in his original thread.
Military men are dumb, stupid animals, to be used as pawns for foreign policy
– Henry Kissinger (January-February 2003 edition of Eagle Newsletter) |
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I wouldn't rent it in support of that fat tub of shit with three of my dollars if i was a millionaire. maybe i would watch it if it was by someone other than MM, just to see what the big deal was. I have an intense hatred for that man. democrat or republican, he's an asshole.
Anyone who believes in the bullshit of MM & purposely doesn't watch a rebuttal (like farenhype 9-11 ) is only interested in hearing what they want to hear, not the truth. i'm not claiming farenhype 9-11 is all truth, but only after seeing both can you make a real judgement. Last edited by busyLivin : 10-23-2004 at 03:54 AM. |
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I think it display much of the corruption in our government, you can say it is opinion or edited, but some of the things that are evealed about the government in geneneral in the movie are a bit more than hype, opinion, or propaganda. BOARD SPONSORS: ![]()
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Stay puffed, baby.
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I never come in open chat, but had to respond to this:
"debunk that hypothesis" A hypothesis doesn't have to be "debunked" - it has to be prooven. By definition a hypothesis is a tentative assumption.
"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."
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Stay puffed, baby.
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I don't care who you vote for, or for watching Moores film.
"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."
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Lift or Die
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Nice try Duncan. My bet still stands ...
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Stay puffed, baby.
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Nice try? Do you even know what hypothesis means? When someone has a HYPOTHESIS (see the scientific method) it is the responsibility of the person who created the hypothesis to proove it
![]() Again, I don't care who you vote for, but as far as "debunking the hypothesis" ..
"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."
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Lift or Die
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Have you actually got anything to say Duncan ... or are you just going to repeat your self again? Bet is up ... take it or leave it.
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Stay puffed, baby.
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![]() You are ignorant if you think someone else should disproove your hypothesis for you Hopefully you will vote for what you believe, anyway.
"in the howling bleeding nights, the dogs plunge into the Volga and swim desperately to gain the other bank. The nights of Stalingrad are a terror for them. Animals flee this hell; the hardest stones cannot bear it for long; only men endure."
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Lift or Die
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Duncan this is simple as hell. Those of us that have been posting in the political threads know exactly what I am doing here … and so do you. I wagered it at Stick and the thread died. Now I put the same wager on the table again. You want to draw me into some kind of bullshit semantics game … whatever Duncan. I’ll just stick to the wager with ANYONE that can actually show the skill to debate the issues. The issue here is whether or not BushCo has manipulated our country into a war for oil. This is what I am calling ANYONE who is trying to continue with the illusion of WMD’s or 9/11 links from Iraq to wager on. We are not liberating anything but oil Duncan. You have something to say on this?
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And I had know idea that the Saudi's have almost 1 trillion dollars invested in America, which if they pulled it all out our economy would certainly cripple. BOARD SPONSORS: ![]()
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Cartographer of the Mind
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Like James Carville said the other night the problem is that we have set up this media system where no one looks to the news for enlightenment anymore but for support. You watch your favorite news outlet so that it's in agreement with you, the networks now cater to that and you have heavily slanted information. Micheal Moore knew this too and knew that to get a message out he had to candy coat it with hyberbole and rhetoric
The truth is that Bush and his Precogs(remember Minority Report) had a premonition and saw that attacking a floundering defensless nation was the best way to say, "Hey look at us we're tough on terror." They failed to look further into that vision to see where we would take us today, the statement the rest of the world got is "Hey look at us we'll make up false allegations so we can rape the resources of your land."
"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
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"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."
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