Thread: Creation vs. Evolution

Originally Posted by milliman

Lets see, Thomas said the same thing.

This is where we get the term a "doubting Tom".

Hi Milliman,

Here is where I think "religion" has made a HUGE mistake in their quest for control over others and their need for power over others - the story they created of "doubting Thomas". That to "doubt" is "somehow wrong". That is the "red herring" of religion because "they" (the powers that be) HAD to come up with some kind of "explanation" that would "fit" ANY situation "they could not answer" and still "somehow answer" - so how do you DO that - you make or cause people to feel somehow guilty for having questioned and you "damn them" for having done so. "They" just want people to "accept" because they are "told" NOT because there is any truth to what is being said. Just "accept" and "believe" and never "doubt". God - the REAL ONE - would NEVER ask someone He created to NOT want and make the honest effort to KNOW who HE TRULY IS - including the use of doubting - QUESTIONING!

God (or Whoever you perceive Him to be) gave each of us a brain and I would think by doing so He would want each of us to UTILIZE that brain to the VERY BEST of out abilities. THAT INCLUDES "doubting" BECAUSE to DOUBT IS TO QUESTION the TRUTH AND ACCURACY of anything said - TO QUESTION!!! No one learns unless they QUESTION and EVERYTHING SHOULD BE questioned to be TRULY UNDERSTOOD ACCURATELY and questioning must always BE a part of truly finding truth.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by Monolith

You make some very interesting observations - ones i wouldnt normally expect from a theist (especially you, considering some of your past comments). I especially like this: "This has always been man's weakness since being mortal and impatient he sees Creation in the context of his own limited lifespan and does not take the time to learn greater things that are just waiting in time as if fruit to be picked from a tree from a seeded concept. This is why most men will never be able to conceive of inventions and concepts that are universal in nature and exceed the limits of time and his own mortality." Replace 'Creation' with 'creation' and we're on exactly the same page.

Yet i find it strange that you can believe in such an abstract concept, and at the same time so staunchy support such concretes as "god" and whatever relatively recent prophecies have foretold. I mean, with statements like this: "Man has more power available to him than he can currently comprehend he just has not yet learned how to crawl beyond the nursery room," how can you honestly believe in god or organized religion in general? Isn't this organized worship the very "nursery room" youre speaking of? It's what appeals to nearly all of humanity, as is illustrated by the proliferation of religion. Wouldnt an example of man using that hidden power of understanding and comprehension require moving beyond 10,000 years of generic religious belief?

Hi Monolith,

In order for anyone to truly learn (and it IS life-long) they MUST consider ALL things from ALL sources ALL the time OBJECTIVELY - with a COMPLETELY OPEN MIND. IF they do not have an open mind they MUST develop one.

In order to TRULY learn people MUST "crawl beyond the nursery room", a place many still find themselves BECAUSE THEY PUT THEMSELVES THERE and NEVER MOVE FOREWARD and become and be adults. Many associated with religion are in the "nursery room" and do not move beyond. They find it "convenient" - honesty and truthfulness never really enter into it at all - they "just accept" because "everyone else" "does"!

Learning must be an HONEST and COMPLETE and DELIBERATE and AWAYS desire and effort to be ACCURATE. Repeating is where many make a huge mistake - never learning from the past of others and making the honest effort to make things much better than how they found them when they came into this world.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi OD,

Did you see the post I made with regard to honest working out - Men honestly working out - I did post - a number of them - on that "other board" - I was very truthful in what I said and I got some "hate" replies. ANY MAN that WILL HONESTLY - WORK DAMN HARD - AND WITH PURPOSE - WILL ACHIEVE the VERY BEST HE CAN BE - GUARANTEED - (and there is not too much in life that IS TRULY GUARANTEED!) it IS ALL ABOUT EACH INDIVIDUAL DOING - DOING - THEIR VERY BEST accurately, honestly, completely, and thoroughly - AND YOU WILL BE THE VERY BEST YOU CAN BE. The BEST things in life are truly WORTH WORKING FOR a little harder - the REWARDS are ABSOLUTE. It IS the one gift a MAN can GIVE himself and those that honestly care about him that can never be "taken away" and IS the FOUNDATION of a REAL MAN. EVERY FIBER OF EVERY MUSCLE - and the rewards are TRULY TREMENDOUS!!!! An example I give is having Guys THINK about their cocks when they are extremely hard just before they are about to blow off (BE an ADULT here and THINK CAREFULLY about this example!) - your WHOLE BODY CAN BE THAT HEALTHY ALL OVER and sensitive and very strong IF you REALLY want to BE TOTALLY HEALTHY and that responsive totally. (All Guys have cocks and can appreciate what I am saying since they experience the same feeling there and by way of UNDERSTANDING when I use this example I feel they can UNDERSTAND then what I am saying with regard to the TOTALNESS of their health WITH THEIR ENTIRE BODY not "just their cock"). This might be considered initially by some to be an "extreme" example but it sure gets to the heart of the subject truthfully and in a manner that all Men can truly UNDERSTAND. The end result WILL BE that those Men who "hear" the "message" WILL WANT FOR THEMSELVES TO BE THEIR VERY BEST - HONESTLY AND COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY ALL OVER!

As for variation and variety - an observant person WILL SEE it ALL AROUND them - there are many ways to "speak" - even without "words". Nature does "tell" us everyday about variety and variation in all things INCLUDING Sexuality. You can call it - variety and variation - the true beauty of life and living.

Here is another book you should read: BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, by Bruce Bagemihl (St. Martin's Press). TRULY learning requires everyone to have or develop an open mind and be objective and learn about all things all the time. Variety IS the spice of life.

Take Care, John H.

Thanks John. I agree that variety seems to be an important principal in body building - hitting the body from different angles. I must admit though that I have a preference for the higher angles over the lower angles. Will look into what you have said.

OD