Are dead people really dead?

Vieope · 11-17-2004, 07:35 PM

Cool reading.

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Are dead people really dead?

The living dead aren't just characters in low-budget horror movies, according to a new book that details the history of premature burial and the technology used to detect death.
Buried Alive author Jan Bondeson's macabre history book includes urban legends and old-wives' tales along with a complete survey of death-discovery technology -– all delivered with a quietly wry sense of humor.
"Medical historians have largely chosen to ignore the question of the reliability of the criteria for determining life or death and there is very little scholarly work done in this area," said Bondeson, 38, a professor at the Wales College of Medicine.
Bondeson's book fully explores the various methods that were used in the past to make sure someone was really, not just "apparently," dead.
Administering enemas of tobacco smoke to the suspected dead had a strong following among many members of the medical profession in the 17th and 18th centuries.
Other doctors preferred to insert hot pokers into various orifices, pinch nipples with pliers, and vigorously yank on the tongue of a presumed corpse in order to ascertain that their patients were quite dead.
Tongue-pulling became so popular that a device was created to automate the procedure. The suggested modus operandi was to clamp the maybe-dead person's tongue to the machine and then turn a crank that rapidly moved the tongue in and out of the patient's mouth.
This procedure had to be continued for at least three hours, doctors believed, so a village's most-easily amused person was usually assigned to the task.
Although some were reputed to have been restored to life during these medically sanctioned tortures (sadly, no reports on their response to being pinched, penetrated and pulled has survived), many doctors felt that the only true sign of death was putrefaction.
They advised that anyone who was presumed to be dead should be placed in a very warm place and observed for signs of decomposition before burial.
Since few people fancied the idea of watching their loved ones rot, in the late 18th century France and Germany embarked upon the wide-scale construction of "vitae dubiae asylums" –- hospitals for the "doubtful dead," also known as waiting mortuaries.
Here, corpses were placed in an environment that would encourage them to decompose rapidly but were also optimistically supplied with a string that, when gently yanked, would signal their resurrection.
Unfortunately, real corpses have a disconcerting but natural tendency to twitch and writhe, so the mortuaries were often filled with the strident sound of alarm bells.
The alarm systems were soon discontinued but the mortuaries remained in business until the mid-1800s.
"Waiting mortuaries are a 'damned' chapter of history which we are not supposed to know about," writes Bondeson, who found this part of his research the most disturbing.
The general populace was never thrilled about using what were commonly known as death hospitals, Bondeson said, despite dire warnings that if their loved ones woke up gibbering and shrieking in a coffin, the reluctant family had no one but themselves to blame.
Happily a new option was soon available -- the "security coffin."
Security coffins allowed the not-dead person to release themselves from the confines of the grave, or to alert cemetery watchmen with bells, horns or flags, all designed to be easily activated by a presumably traumatized person enclosed in a dark coffin.
But, Bondeson points out that here again the user-friendly interface had a serious drawback -- the natural changes experienced by a real corpse in a coffin trigged the alarms and led to many "distressing scenes in cemeteries, with bells ringing and little flags waving" -- so security coffins soon fell out of favor.
And the blithe assumption that live burials don't happen in the 21st century due to the use of embalming isn't necessarily true, said Bondeson. Embalming is not required by law in most cases.
"The Federal Trade Commission's consumer guide to funerals clearly points out that embalming is not always legally required, and that people can save hundreds of dollars by not having their loved ones embalmed. So many people are choosing to decline this service," Riclan said.
Riclan doesn't think that refusing embalming services will increase the danger of being buried alive. "We rely on medical statements, typically brain-activity tests, to determine death now," Riclan said. "Embalming is more for the family, so they'll have a nice final memory of their loved one."
But the absolute best way to avoid being buried alive is to avoid taking a drug overdose when outside in cold weather, a combination that too closely mimics the signs of death, said Bondeson, who believes that it's quite likely that a few people are still waking up in buried coffins.
Source : Wired News 2001

BoneCrusher · 11-17-2004, 07:45 PM

What color does our blue bunny become if he holds his breath?

Randy · 11-17-2004, 07:47 PM

Sounds like a pretty dead subject BC

Luke9583 · 11-17-2004, 07:53 PM

Ask Cheney?

cappo5150 · 11-17-2004, 08:18 PM

i see dead people.

Velvet · 11-18-2004, 06:52 AM

Vieope...I KNEW you submitted this thread the second I saw the title

drafter · 11-18-2004, 04:33 PM

"Administering enemas of tobacco smoke to the suspected dead" WTF? Quit blowing smoke up my ***?

irontime · 11-18-2004, 05:14 PM

Chop their heads off. Then you will know for SURE that they are dead

Vieope · 11-18-2004, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet

Vieope...I KNEW you submitted this thread the second I saw the title

Vieope · 11-18-2004, 05:37 PM

I wouldn´t say that a lot of people is burried alive but it is not that uncommon.

Damn, that phrase would be a great sign from a mortuary.

Randy · 11-18-2004, 06:17 PM

That is a scary thought to be buried alive.
I seen some movies like that. In one of them, the psycho drugged the victims, burried them in a coffin with a camera, and a battery powered flashlight. Then the maniac sat and watched the victims panic and die. Sick movie, forget the name of it. Then another one, the guy would bury the victims in sand by the water on the beach. He then would place a TV by their head so they could see each other. Then he would watch as the tide would come up until the water overwelms the victim

Vieope · 11-18-2004, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

That is a scary thought to be buried alive.
I seen some movies like that. In one of them, the psycho drugged the victims, burried them in a coffin with a camera, and a battery powered flashlight. Then the maniac sat and watched the victims panic and die. Sick movie, forget the name of it. Then another one, the guy would bury the victims in sand by the water on the beach. He then would place a TV by their head so they could see each other. Then he would watch as the tide would come up until the water overwelms the victim

Kill Bill Vol.2 happened it too.
It seems like from a movie but when the victim doesn´t die of asphyxiation right away, it can be found marks on the coffin that they struggled to get out or find the body in a different position.
Now imagine that you are a gravedigger and in the middle of the night you hear something coming from the ground.

BoneCrusher · 11-18-2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Kill Bill Vol.2 happened it too.
It seems like from a movie but when the victim doesn´t die of asphyxiation right away, it can be found marks on the coffin that they struggled to get out or find the body in a different position.
Now imagine that you are a gravedigger and in the middle of the night you hear something coming from the ground.

Now imagine that you are a grave digger that caries a gun and shoots at any random noise comming from under the ground ...

11-17-2004, 07:47 PM	#3
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	Sounds like a pretty dead subject BC
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11-18-2004, 05:14 PM	#8
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11-18-2004, 05:37 PM	#10
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,815 Photos: 10	I wouldn´t say that a lot of people is burried alive but it is not that uncommon. Damn, that phrase would be a great sign from a mortuary.
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11-18-2004, 06:17 PM	#11
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	That is a scary thought to be buried alive. I seen some movies like that. In one of them, the psycho drugged the victims, burried them in a coffin with a camera, and a battery powered flashlight. Then the maniac sat and watched the victims panic and die. Sick movie, forget the name of it. Then another one, the guy would bury the victims in sand by the water on the beach. He then would place a TV by their head so they could see each other. Then he would watch as the tide would come up until the water overwelms the victim
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Velvet Leaning Out Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 4,542 Photos: 2	Vieope...I KNEW you submitted this thread the second I saw the title

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