Question about religion?

Vieope · 12-23-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Do you believe in Jesus?

If he existed he was just a nice guy with good intentions.
IMO

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MagnumXL

As one who teaches physics, I can say that the Holy Bible is the only religious writing that is 100% consistent with the latest findings of astronomy, cosmology, and most other sciences. Check out www.reasons.com for much scientific proof. Or read the book "The case for a creator" by Lee Stroble. It is really eye opening for anyone with an open mind. I believe that a personal relationship to the creator is what determines our salvation....what he does to save us and not what we do to save ourselves that is important. MXL

How do you figure that one? What he does and not what we do??? If you believe in the bible like you say you do, then your last statement cannot be true. The bible says Faith without works is useless. So obviously We must do something to show GOD we believe and others also.

MagnumXL · 12-23-2004, 12:10 PM

"Not by WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saves us." (Titus 3:4-6) "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." (Eph 2:8-9) "but to him who worketh not, but believeth on Him that justefiath the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." (Rom 4:1-5) Also see John 3:16-18

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumXL

"Not by WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saves us." (Titus 3:4-6) "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." (Eph 2:8-9) "but to him who worketh not, but believeth on Him that justefiath the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." (Rom 4:1-5) Also see John 3:16-18

Agreed, however, you must still EXERCISE faith in him, hence do something, correct? Those who do not have been judged already.

BoneCrusher · 12-23-2004, 12:43 PM

o olhar na tempestade que do crap este começou Vieope... Eu amo-o. Eu espero que você aprecíe este demasiado!!!

**I Are Baboon** · 12-23-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Witmaster

Don't know what to believe???? Try this!!
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html

Reform Judaism (100%)

Ha! That'll make my Jewish wife happy.

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

o olhar na tempestade que do crap este começou Vieope... Eu amo-o. Eu espero que você aprecíe este demasiado!!!

que???

Vieope · 12-23-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

o olhar na tempestade que do crap este começou Vieope... Eu amo-o. Eu espero que você aprecíe este demasiado!!!

I have no idea what you are talking about.

perfectbody · 12-23-2004, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MagnumXL

"Not by WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saves us." (Titus 3:4-6) "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast." (Eph 2:8-9) "but to him who worketh not, but believeth on Him that justefiath the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." (Rom 4:1-5) Also see John 3:16-18

All you said are just average church propaganda.

if someone was born in a family who believes in God....he or she will probably believes in God. Everyone is entitled to a religion and the rest are Atheists. It is always as if we are born with a religion or without at all. And we kill each other in the name of God. There is no big deals in God-related religions. Just wait till u die and see there is next existence or there is God sending u heaven or hell or maybe there is no more existence.

zzz i wont' read this thread again bb.

min0 lee · 12-23-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by perfectbody

zzz i wont' read this thread again bb.

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vieope

If he existed he was just a nice guy with good intentions.
IMO

if, IF? Why did he die for people like you?

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by perfectbody

All you said are just average church propaganda.

if someone was born in a family who believes in God....he or she will probably believes in God. Everyone is entitled to a religion and the rest are Atheists. It is always as if we are born with a religion or without at all. And we kill each other in the name of God. There is no big deals in God-related religions. Just wait till u die and see there is next existence or there is God sending u heaven or hell or maybe there is no more existence.

zzz i wont' read this thread again bb.

2 things, if you wait till you die, it is too late!!! and as far as not reading this post again............

Vieope · 12-23-2004, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

if, IF? Why did he die for people like you?

Well I said IMO. How can you prove his existence?
Why christianity can´t take criticism anyway?

BoneCrusher · 12-23-2004, 01:10 PM

The only proof after thousands of years of the existance of the God of any ... ANY ... organised religion is what?

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Well I said IMO. How can you prove his existence?
Why christianity can´t take criticism anyway?

Not saying it to be ignorant, but he died so that people like you could have the chance for salvation. Thats what I meant, please do not take it the wrong way. I can take criticism. However I am a BELIEVER!!! Why must you prove his existance. Jesus himself said to Thomas, you believe because you see, but Blessed are those who believe but have not seen. "FAITH" that is what I have.

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

The only proof after thousands of years of the existance of the God of any ... ANY ... organised religion is what?

That man can't do it on their own!!!

BoneCrusher · 12-23-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

That man can't do it on their own!!!

Do what?

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Do what?

Anything, why are there so many problems in the world today? possibly because of mans denial of a higher being, thinking they can do it all by themselves.

busyLivin · 12-23-2004, 01:23 PM

The political threads died down considerably... but it seems like there has been a lot of religious threads lately.

Vieope · 12-23-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Not saying it to be ignorant, but he died so that people like you could have the chance for salvation. Thats what I meant, please do not take it the wrong way. I can take criticism. However I am a BELIEVER!!! Why must you prove his existance. Jesus himself said to Thomas, you believe because you see, but Blessed are those who believe but have not seen. "FAITH" that is what I have.

His story was written 200 years after he lived here. Science and knowledge were non-existent to everybody. Faith is the problem here, doesn´t matter the facts since you have faith.
This technique of persuasion was always used. Politicians do this all the time, believe in me, doesn´t matter how many facts contradicts what I say, I am telling you the truth. Sorry but I can´t believe in something only because of faith.

Vieope · 12-23-2004, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Anything, why are there so many problems in the world today? possibly because of mans denial of a higher being, thinking they can do it all by themselves.

Yeah, religion has nothing to do with world problems. Come on, almost every war is because of religion.

BoneCrusher · 12-23-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Anything, why are there so many problems in the world today? possibly because of mans denial of a higher being, thinking they can do it all by themselves.

= Faith. I have none nor will I ever. Speak to me with answers based in reality and I will join you. Condem me with threats of eternal damnation and I will laugh at you. Fear alone is not a reason to have faith. When you remove all the conjecture ... what is left but fear of an unpleasant afterlife?

Vieope · 12-23-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

= Faith. I have none nor will I ever. Speak to me with answers based in reality and I will join you. Condem me with threats of eternal damnation and I will laugh at you. Fear alone is not a reason to have faith. When you remove all the conjecture ... what is left but fear of an unpleasant afterlife?

busyLivin · 12-23-2004, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

When you remove all the conjecture ... what is left but fear of an unpleasant afterlife?

Not at all. If there's nothing left after we die.. what's to fear? You seem to be missing the entire picture & a lack of understanding of faith.

You speak as if you're the only one with reason here & the rest of us are dilusional. I don't give a rat's ass if you believe or not, but you sound pretty arrogant for a subject that can't be proved by your terms.

I think I'm right too, but I'm not going to "laugh" at someone or degrade them for not believing.

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vieope

Yeah, religion has nothing to do with world problems. Come on, almost every war is because of religion.

Because of MANS interpretation(sp) of religion, not what GOD had in mind, I'm sure!!!

Archangel · 12-23-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

= Faith. I have none nor will I ever. Speak to me with answers based in reality and I will join you. Condem me with threats of eternal damnation and I will laugh at you. Fear alone is not a reason to have faith. When you remove all the conjecture ... what is left but fear of an unpleasant afterlife?

Never once condemned you, that is not my call, Judge not, less ye be judged yourself!!! I have my beliefs, my faith if you will. Laugh if you must!!! what you spout off at the mouth about, has no bearing in my life. It's a shame you have no faith, you must not be truelly happy huh? Guess thats why you laugh!!!

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BoneCrusher Lift or Die Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 8,580	The only proof after thousands of years of the existance of the God of any ... ANY ... organised religion is what?