I hate christians

**Dale Mabry** · 02-13-2005, 03:50 PM

Why read into things?

busyLivin · 02-13-2005, 08:31 PM

A "strong" Christian would have looked through all the bullshit. A person's level of commitment to the Church has nothing to do with their belief in Chrisitianity. If you abandoned your faith in Christianity because of disagreements with men's decisions then I can only see this faith as weak to begin with. You're complaints seem centered around the people you deal with... two totally different things. The Church & it's leaders are not God.

Obviously we don't know the whole story & you don't want to share it. But you know you can't call us hypocrites & not expect a response.

Vieope, you bastard

V Player · 02-13-2005, 08:56 PM

You can respond any way you like. It matters little to me. But you examplify my reasoning because you are so quick to render judgement on my supposed weak faith based off the few words that I typed. What you fail to see is that it is impossible to fully and completely illustrate anything in one simple post. There is and always will be any manner of misundertanding in a typed post simply because one does not know the other, and therefore, does not know from where that person speaks. The tone of voice is also missing. That adds a lot to the very nature of proper communication.

And that is also why I refuse to elaborate. My feelings and views are not subject to debate. Not with you or with anyone. This is my life, not anyone else's. Me answering a question and pointing something out is not the same as lambasting and criticizing, as most seem to think. It is merely pointing at something. Nothing more, nothing less. If you or anyone else feels I am criticizing, then you will just have to keep on thinking that. I see very little being accomplished with people wanting to debate something with someone who isnt open to the idea. It puzzles me, really.

busyLivin · 02-13-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by V Player

You can respond any way you like. It matters little to me. But you examplify my reasoning because you are so quick to render judgement on my supposed weak faith based off the few words that I typed. What you fail to see is that it is impossible to fully and completely illustrate anything in one simple post. There is and always will be any manner of misundertanding in a typed post simply because one does not know the other, and therefore, does not know from where that person speaks. The tone of voice is also missing. That adds a lot to the very nature of proper communication.

And that is also why I refuse to elaborate. My feelings and views are not subject to debate. Not with you or with anyone. This is my life, not anyone else's. Me answering a question and pointing something out is not the same as lambasting and criticizing, as most seem to think. It is merely pointing at something. Nothing more, nothing less. If you or anyone else feels I am criticizing, then you will just have to keep on thinking that. I see very little being accomplished with people wanting to debate something with someone who isnt open to the idea. It puzzles me, really.

I would have to say that saying 99.999 percent of a group I belong to are hypocrites is rendering a substantial judgement. I try not to judge people, and certainly would not do so over a single post. However, you blast Christians & then say "don't talk to me about it." Wake up!

If I somehow misinterpreted "99 percent of Christians are hypocrites" then I apologize, but you refuse to elaborate.

busyLivin · 02-13-2005, 09:11 PM

also, I wasn't trying to debate your beliefs, only trying to understand.

fantasma62 · 02-13-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

If you are a parent and you tell your children not to do something that you've done in your past, well that makes you a hypocrite.

No offense, but that statement is bullshit. You are generalizing. Sure, a parent can be a hypocrite if they tell a kid not to eat a pizza because it's fattening when they indulged or indulge in it, but to generalize like that is off base. Do you "own" kids? (I use the word own just to lighten the mood).
When you tell a kid not to do something that you have already done, it means that whatever you did was bad and the outcome for you wasn't good. "Do not stick that needle in the power outlet". I did it when I was 4 and I am going to make sure my kids don't go out and do that. I still remember pain, then numbness....
A different example: "Keep the lights on while you are driving in a dark place", you know damn well that chances are good that something bad may happen and are protecting your children from exactly what you were facing 20 years earlier. Nothing may have happened, but hell, you don't want the laws of averages to catch up to your kid.
Anyone watching the Sham Bowl.....er....Pro Bowl? Why do they even televise that crap.....

fantasma62 · 02-13-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by V Player

I humbly apologize. I did not mean to hijack his thread. I had a feeling my post would open a can of worms. I should have answered in PM.

You didn't hijack the thread, you have a right to say what you want to say here.
By the way, I am, like Archangel, a pretty Ok Christian (Catholic) and I also don't go lambasting people with my beliefs. You believe in Budhism? that's great, enjoy your beliefs. You have a right not to like Christianity. Why not? You had a bad experience. We'll leave it at that.
Regarding religion, I just went as far as I will ever go in a discussion.
When hanging with friends or family I avoid religion and politics as invariably, the conversation ends up in an argument....

Archangel · 02-13-2005, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fantasma62

Anyone watching the Sham Bowl.....er....Pro Bowl? Why do they even televise that crap.....

fantasma62 · 02-13-2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel

V Player · 02-13-2005, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by busyLivin

I would have to say that saying 99.999 percent of a group I belong to are hypocrites is rendering a substantial judgement.

*sigh* Here's what I said

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I will never say that ALL christians are hypocrites, but I will say that I whole heartedly believe that 99.99999 % of them are.

By me saying that I believe, it simply means that it is my personal observation. Nothing more, nothing less. It is vastly different that me saying something like "all christians are hypocrites". Now THAT is a "substantial judgement". I really dont see how I can make it any simpler.

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I try not to judge people, and certainly would not do so over a single post.

My friend, that is exactly what you are doing. Further examplified by this piece of your post

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However, you blast Christians & then say "don't talk to me about it." Wake up!

I blasted no one. I believe I just spoke out on how the written word, simplified in a post, can be misconstrued. And thats exactly what is going on now.

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but you refuse to elaborate.

Exactly. I refuse to elaborate for these very reasons. We are accomplishing nothing with this back and forth in type. Perhaps in person, if we knew each other better, and knew that certain things would not be misconstrued, it might be a different story. But as it is, as I keep pointing out, its impossible to fully illustrate anything in type. It just is.

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also, I wasn't trying to debate your beliefs, only trying to understand.

I hear you. But its impossible in type. There's more to my story than I wrote about. Lots more. There's "the big reason" I left, lol. But Im afraid that if I say anything about that, it will really start a hornet's nest. Hell look at what happened just by me saying what little I said. I dont like participating in heated debates on things that have no chance of change. And with me, my views on christianity are not going to change.

V Player · 02-13-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fantasma62

You didn't hijack the thread, you have a right to say what you want to say here.
By the way, I am, like Archangel, a pretty Ok Christian (Catholic) and I also don't go lambasting people with my beliefs. You believe in Budhism? that's great, enjoy your beliefs. You have a right not to like Christianity. Why not? You had a bad experience. We'll leave it at that.
Regarding religion, I just went as far as I will ever go in a discussion.
When hanging with friends or family I avoid religion and politics as invariably, the conversation ends up in an argument....

Thanks, bro. I mean it.

BoneCrusher · 02-13-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by V Player

I humbly apologize. I did not mean to hijack his thread. I had a feeling my post would open a can of worms. I should have answered in PM.

V you misunderstood me I think. I'm pretty sure Vieope started this thread for amusement purposes ... he is loving all the christians getting all riled up. You were only the first person to step up and state a non-christian belief.

As always bro you one chilled out mofo

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Eggs · 02-13-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fantasma62

No offense, but that statement is bullshit. You are generalizing. Sure, a parent can be a hypocrite if they tell a kid not to eat a pizza because it's fattening when they indulged or indulge in it, but to generalize like that is off base. Do you "own" kids? (I use the word own just to lighten the mood).

Okay, then tell me... how long ago must your actions have taken place for it not to be considered hypocrisy? A year ago? a Month... how about 5 minutes? So lets say that 5 minutes ago I ate that pizza, and now I'm feeling sick and know that pizza really isnt good for ya, so I tell my kids they should eat pizza. Am I a hypocrite because it was only 5 minutes ago? If it was a year ago would I not be? Does time then make us less hypocritical? I personally am not always sure where to draw the line with that, so I just feel free to call myself a hypocrite and live with that. Sure, a good parent wants the best for their child and doesnt want him/her to suffer the same mistakes. However, sometimes that means being a hypocrite about things.

Like the parent that pushes their kid to excel in school despite the fact that they arent currently taking long distance learning classes from home to benefit their career. I'd view that as being hypocritical, but ah well.

Eggs · 02-13-2005, 11:09 PM

I will never say that ALL Buddhists are idiots, but I will say that I whole heartedly believe that 99.99999 % of them are.

By any chance do you find that statement offensive? I hope not, its just my belief, and I dont really want to go into it

V Player · 02-13-2005, 11:15 PM

If thats your belief then that is your belief. Plain and simple.

fantasma62 · 02-14-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

Okay, then tell me... how long ago must your actions have taken place for it not to be considered hypocrisy? A year ago? a Month... how about 5 minutes? So lets say that 5 minutes ago I ate that pizza, and now I'm feeling sick and know that pizza really isnt good for ya, so I tell my kids they should eat pizza. Am I a hypocrite because it was only 5 minutes ago? If it was a year ago would I not be? Does time then make us less hypocritical? I personally am not always sure where to draw the line with that, so I just feel free to call myself a hypocrite and live with that. Sure, a good parent wants the best for their child and doesnt want him/her to suffer the same mistakes. However, sometimes that means being a hypocrite about things.

Like the parent that pushes their kid to excel in school despite the fact that they arent currently taking long distance learning classes from home to benefit their career. I'd view that as being hypocritical, but ah well.

Bubba, you misunderstood my post completely. I don't disagree that EVERYONE is a hypocrite (now I am capitalizing like John H), it's human nature at some point to be,no question, but you can't generalize and say that everything that a parent does is out of hypocrisy, because that's what I got out of that comment. I used the pizza example to show what hypocrisy was (in my view). If a parent tells a kid that he/she shouldn't eat the pizza, while he's been stuffing himself with it throughout his life (a day, a year, 40 years), then yes that's what I deem a hypocrite parent (I can no longer spell). In my post then, I switched over to things that a parent may have done before that he/she knows will hurt their kid. That's not hypocrisy, that's being protective because you don't want the kids to be hurt.
If it sounded like I was saying that you were bullshit, I did not mean it that way, I just meant that that single sentence, I found it to be bullshit. In fact I should have used another word to describe it...
Sorry if you were offended, that was not my intention.

John H. · 02-14-2005, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vieope

I usually prefer people with the name Joe or Bill.

Hi Vieope,

"Joe" is a shortened version of "Joseph" which I guess is christian. "Bill" a shortened version of "William" - I am not sure right now if I remember if "William" is a christian name.

How about "Ralph"? Now that one I do not think is at all christian. Maybe it is even anti-christian...

How about "Increase"? There was a man in the past named "Increase Mather" if my memory serves me right and right now I can not remember why he was "important". Would you name your son "Increase"?

Take Care, John H.

John H. · 02-14-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ihateschoolmt

I don't get how religions hate each other. No matter how much you might want to be, your not that different.

Hi Ihateschoolmt,

I wonder why "religions" hate. I guess because they like to actually. I think they get a perverse pleasure out of it. It gives them "something to do" and I think they do it as a sport. It sure seems to be "popular" among "religious people". Look at history and see for yourself. And they love killing others over their beliefs... They think it makes them "stronger".

Maybe it is a new form of "football" - hating and being bigoted - in the "name of god"... They seem to like to kick others that do not agree with them around.

Take Care, John H.

Eggs · 02-14-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fantasma62

Bubba, you misunderstood my post completely. I don't disagree that EVERYONE is a hypocrite (now I am capitalizing like John H), it's human nature at some point to be,no question, but you can't generalize and say that everything that a parent does is out of hypocrisy, because that's what I got out of that comment. I used the pizza example to show what hypocrisy was (in my view). If a parent tells a kid that he/she shouldn't eat the pizza, while he's been stuffing himself with it throughout his life (a day, a year, 40 years), then yes that's what I deem a hypocrite parent (I can no longer spell). In my post then, I switched over to things that a parent may have done before that he/she knows will hurt their kid. That's not hypocrisy, that's being protective because you don't want the kids to be hurt.
If it sounded like I was saying that you were bullshit, I did not mean it that way, I just meant that that single sentence, I found it to be bullshit. In fact I should have used another word to describe it...
Sorry if you were offended, that was not my intention.

Oh, I wasnt really offended at all... just figured we could look into it a bit deeper. I agree that a good parent will teach their kids both things that they have done and things that they havent in the hope that it will benefit their kids lives. The only point I was trying to make in that statement is that we should all be careful about calling each other hypocrites, because none of us is without guilt when it comes to that.

Eggs · 02-14-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by John H.

I wonder why "religions" hate. I guess because they like to actually. I think they get a perverse pleasure out of it. It gives them "something to do" and I think they do it as a sport. It sure seems to be "popular" among "religious people". Look at history and see for yourself. And they love killing others over their beliefs... They think it makes them "stronger".

It is human nature to hate John, and thats a fact. I dont know if any religion is true, but regardless, the most peaceful religion in the world can be bent to encourage some sort of hate mongering. Religions usually entail having followers with beliefs... and you cant truly believe that your religion is right and believe that all the others are right as well. Thats not a philosophically sound base, but anyways. So what do you have, you have people that believe strongly about something, and then you have divisions between the different beliefs. So I'd think this is a recipe for trouble if people dont keep their own human nature in check.

Regardless, I thought your statement was rubbish. I'm an athiest, but even I acknowledge the facts. People that dont have religion find just as many ways to kill each other as those that have it. Unfortunately it is often times accessible and easily manipulated by those in power to achieve their goals. I'd personally think that somebody who uses a religion to fulfill their political agenda (or whatever) is perverting their religion... and not the other way around.

FYI, "religions" dont hate... "people" hate.

crazy_enough · 02-14-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

FYI, "religions" dont hate... "people" hate.

EXACLY! religiously enduced hate is possible, but to say that religion is the one and only factor in hatred and exclusion is foolish!

fantasma62 · 02-14-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

Oh, I wasnt really offended at all... just figured we could look into it a bit deeper. I agree that a good parent will teach their kids both things that they have done and things that they havent in the hope that it will benefit their kids lives. The only point I was trying to make in that statement is that we should all be careful about calling each other hypocrites, because none of us is without guilt when it comes to that.

I'm glad and I see your point too

maniclion · 02-14-2005, 01:07 PM

Bernard, why would someone name there kid Bernard or Bernice for that matter who wants to go around with the name Bernie?

busyLivin · 02-14-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

It is human nature to hate John, and thats a fact. I dont know if any religion is true, but regardless, the most peaceful religion in the world can be bent to encourage some sort of hate mongering. Religions usually entail having followers with beliefs... and you cant truly believe that your religion is right and believe that all the others are right as well. Thats not a philosophically sound base, but anyways. So what do you have, you have people that believe strongly about something, and then you have divisions between the different beliefs. So I'd think this is a recipe for trouble if people dont keep their own human nature in check.

Regardless, I thought your statement was rubbish. I'm an athiest, but even I acknowledge the facts. People that dont have religion find just as many ways to kill each other as those that have it. Unfortunately it is often times accessible and easily manipulated by those in power to achieve their goals. I'd personally think that somebody who uses a religion to fulfill their political agenda (or whatever) is perverting their religion... and not the other way around.

FYI, "religions" dont hate... "people" hate.

well said

02-13-2005, 03:50 PM	#31
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02-13-2005, 08:31 PM	#32
busyLivin Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USSA Posts: 3,718	A "strong" Christian would have looked through all the bullshit. A person's level of commitment to the Church has nothing to do with their belief in Chrisitianity. If you abandoned your faith in Christianity because of disagreements with men's decisions then I can only see this faith as weak to begin with. You're complaints seem centered around the people you deal with... two totally different things. The Church & it's leaders are not God. Obviously we don't know the whole story & you don't want to share it. But you know you can't call us hypocrites & not expect a response. Vieope, you bastard
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02-13-2005, 08:56 PM	#33
V Player Six String Samurai Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dallas Posts: 1,313	You can respond any way you like. It matters little to me. But you examplify my reasoning because you are so quick to render judgement on my supposed weak faith based off the few words that I typed. What you fail to see is that it is impossible to fully and completely illustrate anything in one simple post. There is and always will be any manner of misundertanding in a typed post simply because one does not know the other, and therefore, does not know from where that person speaks. The tone of voice is also missing. That adds a lot to the very nature of proper communication. And that is also why I refuse to elaborate. My feelings and views are not subject to debate. Not with you or with anyone. This is my life, not anyone else's. Me answering a question and pointing something out is not the same as lambasting and criticizing, as most seem to think. It is merely pointing at something. Nothing more, nothing less. If you or anyone else feels I am criticizing, then you will just have to keep on thinking that. I see very little being accomplished with people wanting to debate something with someone who isnt open to the idea. It puzzles me, really.
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02-13-2005, 09:11 PM	#35
busyLivin Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USSA Posts: 3,718	also, I wasn't trying to debate your beliefs, only trying to understand.
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02-13-2005, 11:09 PM	#44
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	I will never say that ALL Buddhists are idiots, but I will say that I whole heartedly believe that 99.99999 % of them are. By any chance do you find that statement offensive? I hope not, its just my belief, and I dont really want to go into it

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maniclion Catalyst Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hawaii, selling munitions for the war on EcoTerror Posts: 18,394 Photos: 10	Bernard, why would someone name there kid Bernard or Bernice for that matter who wants to go around with the name Bernie?