Brian Nichols

**Eggs** · 03-11-2005, 07:40 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/11/at...ing/index.html

I'm really hoping the guy doesnt make it back to court. Its not that surprising really... people that are convicted are going to take it personally that judges throw the book at them. As seen in the case of the judge being killed a week or two ago, and likewise here.

I personally think that people who enter a courtroom for anything above traffic tickets should wear tight cuffs on both feet and hands, and should have a shock collar that will neutralize any threat. The real reason that the judge and two other people were killed was not simply because the guy was a bad guy... thats obvious, and most are that are in court for rape. However, the real reason for this is because of crappy policies set in place. Does that make what Nichols did? Hell no, and he should die painfully. But people need to pay attention to common sense things like this, and put policies into place to protect those that are enforcing the law.

Anyways, I'm hoping someone sees the guy... preferably a hunting party, and kills him on the spot. I'd even buy the video to support a good cause.

**Eggs** · 03-11-2005, 08:03 PM

Speaking of which, I kinda remember saying something along the lines of expecting more of this in the future. Wasnt so expecting it so soon though.

**PreMier** · 03-11-2005, 08:11 PM

Yea, I remember you saying that(after the judges husband/mother were killed).

apparently struggled with the deputy for the gun and overpowered her, police said.

Thats part of the problem IMO. Having a rapist transported by a female officer is just asking for trouble. I cant believe this..

**GSXR750** · 03-11-2005, 09:18 PM

wow.....thats crazy. GTA is the cause.

**Muscle_Girl** · 03-12-2005, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Eggs

[url]Anyways, I'm hoping someone sees the guy... preferably a hunting party, and kills him on the spot. I'd even buy the video to support a good cause.

While I do think this guy did something hugely wrong, I believe more violence is not the idea. Sure strap him to the chair and be done with, but don't go and brutally murder him out in the streets somewhere... how do you think he got the idea to kill the judge, he saw it somewhere and thought it would be a good idea lol. Another product of the American violent society. (not meant as controversial, but it's sadly true)

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 12:52 PM

Right MM... in a perfect world that would be the case (well, except this wouldnt occur in a perfect world now would it). The problem that occurs is that this world isnt perfect, and in this day and age one hardly expects justice from the courts anymore.

I'd like to think that is what he gets for his crimes, but I have no illusions that he wont get off on some temporary insanity plea. I dont think he will, but it certainly would not surprise me.

On a side note... I love how PC the news is. From CNN: "Police believe Nichols fatally shot Fulton County Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes, court reporter Julie Ann Brandau and sheriff's deputy Sgt. Hoyt Teasley..."

Yeaaaaah, its not true... its just a belief. I know we are innocent until proven guilty, but when you have tons of eye witnesses and video footage from the event I dont think you need to use words like "believe" and "we think".

I know it is important to be objective, but whether or not he did something is not in question... thats without a doubt. Whether he is a criminal that deserves jail time is something that a jury will decide. However, none of us need to blind ourselves about the facts of the case.

**LW83** · 03-12-2005, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Eggs

I personally think that people who enter a courtroom for anything above traffic tickets should wear tight cuffs on both feet and hands, and should have a shock collar that will neutralize any threat.

Innocent until proven guilty buddy

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:05 PM

Sure they are innocent until proven guilty, but that doesnt mean that you cannot restrain a violent person for their safety and the safety of others. The main problem that I found that the law had with it is that they "appeared" like criminals before the jury if they were wearing orange jumpsuits and shackles. I'm all for them wearing civilian clothes, but I think they should be shackled (hands and feet) and that they should be brought into the court room before the jury so to the jury they do not "appear" to be criminals. A nice high desk would cover any evidence of that. And tada, just like that, they appear to be your fun loving baby sitter

Like when a police officer applies restraints to someone that they are arresting. They arent doing it because they are passing sentance on the person, but for the safety of everyone involved. Why should the judge and jury not be afforded that same quality of safety?

**Little Wing** · 03-12-2005, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Muscle_Girl

While I do think this guy did something hugely wrong, I believe more violence is not the idea. Sure strap him to the chair and be done with, but don't go and brutally murder him out in the streets somewhere... how do you think he got the idea to kill the judge, he saw it somewhere and thought it would be a good idea lol. Another product of the American violent society. (not meant as controversial, but it's sadly true)

omg mg. hi! where've you been?

**Pepper** · 03-12-2005, 01:07 PM

As I am sure you have heard by now, he was caught!

I am surprised the police didn't just take him down.

**Pepper** · 03-12-2005, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Eggs

Sure they are innocent until proven guilty, but that doesnt mean that you cannot restrain a violent person for their safety and the safety of others. The main problem that I found that the law had with it is that they "appeared" like criminals before the jury if they were wearing orange jumpsuits and shackles. I'm all for them wearing civilian clothes, but I think they should be shackled (hands and feet) and that they should be brought into the court room before the jury so to the jury they do not "appear" to be criminals. A nice high desk would cover any evidence of that. And tada, just like that, they appear to be your fun loving baby sitter

Like when a police officer applies restraints to someone that they are arresting. They arent doing it because they are passing sentance on the person, but for the safety of everyone involved. Why should the judge and jury not be afforded that same quality of safety?

The Supreme Court has ruled that you cannot get a fair trial if you are shackled or otherwise restained in the presence of the jury.

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:09 PM

The fact of the matter is that we as Americans have longed valued the importance of criminals rights to appear a certain way or to have a certain thing, without enough regard to those that arent criminals. Sure we can say innocent until proven guilty until we are blue in the face, but when it comes down to it, a person that commits a crime should be properly handled as someone that could potentially be a "bad" person. I'm not suggesting that police in New York should ass rape a prisoner with a broom stick, but I do think that they shouldnt let some little female escort a big ass dude with a serious attitude problem.

**LW83** · 03-12-2005, 01:09 PM

Do they have capital punishment in Georgia?

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

The Supreme Court has ruled that you cannot get a fair trial if you are shackled or otherwise restained in the presence of the jury.

Sure, because you cannot get a fair trial when you "appear" shakled. However, take away the appearance of being shackled by covering them up, and its not a bigeee, now is it.

Of course the Surpreme court ruled that... the fairy bastards dont actually have to deal with the people at hand. They read over some papers and talk to some lawyers and call it a day. When they have to worry about some guy walking in and capping them in the chest lets see how steadfast they are about that law.

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by LW83

Do they have capital punishment in Georgia?

Pretty sure they do, I think they just executed someone a short time back. The problem is that it will more than likely be years before his time is up, and because the public does not see any quick remedy it effectively reenforces negative behaviors.

**LW83** · 03-12-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Eggs

Pretty sure they do, I think they just executed someone a short time back. The problem is that it will more than likely be years before his time is up, and because the public does not see any quick remedy it effectively reenforces negative behaviors.

how are negative behaviors being re-enforced?

**Pepper** · 03-12-2005, 01:19 PM

Not sure what Eggs meant, but I think he is saying (as I have for years) that capital punishment is not a great deterent because it is 1) so rare and 2) takes years to be actually executed.

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:26 PM

Because people see the negative behavior occuring... and it is a long time until any sentance is given, which effectively tells people that it is okay to do the same thing because they wont receive any negative feedback. I dont particularily consider putting someone in jail to be especially negative feedback when the act is murder, etc. Oh, and I am talking about society and their negative behaviors. Eventually he will receive sentence (but it will take a while) and then further down the road he will more than likel be executed (which will be quite some time IMO). I dont think the human mind links cause and effects well when they are too distant.

Like when you are training an animal, or a child... you enforce behaviors immedietly, you dont wait a week. We all learned that in psych101 I think

**LAM** · 03-12-2005, 01:26 PM

we need to reform or justice system plain and simple as the laws vary too widely from state to state. In the case of Brain Nichols he was out so bail so it was not necessary for him to be restrained while making apperances in court. most likely the guy had priors so he probably shouldn't have been granted bail in the first place.

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Not sure what Eggs meant, but I think he is saying (as I have for years) that capital punishment is not a great deterent because it is 1) so rare and 2) takes years to be actually executed.

Yep, thats what I was saying

By the time negative feedback is receieved (ie being put to death), the mind might not effectively link the behavior committed (killing somebody or whatever) to the feedback.

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

we need to reform or justice system plain and simple as the laws vary too widely from state to state. In the case of Brain Nichols he was out so bail so it was not necessary for him to be restrained while making apperances in court. most likely the guy had priors so he probably shouldn't have been granted bail in the first place.

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what the case was as far as bail... but I do know that a couple days before this incident they discovered two shanks that he had made, and I think one in his boot when he was trying to enter the court house previously.

**maniclion** · 03-12-2005, 01:34 PM

They could bring the inmate into the courtrooms before the jury enters, anchor his leg shackles to the floor and then allow the jury and judge to enter. If theres a skirt around the table on the side facing the jury they wouldn't see the shackles.

Or as an alternative they could coat the shackles in pink rubber so they look nicer.

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:36 PM

I like the pink rubber... but I also think some fur on them would be nice, and would appeal to the jurors that dig S&M

**LAM** · 03-12-2005, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Eggs

Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what the case was as far as bail... but I do know that a couple days before this incident they discovered two shanks that he had made, and I think one in his boot when he was trying to enter the court house previously.

I do remember hearing about that. they should have revoked his bail for that shit.

**maniclion** · 03-12-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

I do remember hearing about that. they should have revoked his bail for that shit.

Exactly

On the news they said the judge simply requested extra deputies which obviously didn't work.

**Eggs** · 03-12-2005, 01:47 PM

Well, I personally dont see the reason to have lethal weapons inside the court house. I think pepper foam and the like would be adequate if they did a thorough job searching individuals coming in.

Well, that doesnt do much if the guy does manage to slip a knife in or something... since if he is moving fast its not an easy target... but there has to be some way to ensure the safety of the people in a court house.

As to what happens outside (as in Illinois), I have no idea how they are going to properly protect people (judges, etc) then.

**Muscle_Girl** · 03-16-2005, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by rockgazer69

omg mg. hi! where've you been?

Hey! Been very busy, work, school, same shit diff pile type of thing. So whats this cutie in your pix.. First PB, now him!!??

**Muscle_Girl** · 03-16-2005, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Eggs

Right MM... in a perfect world that would be the case (well, except this wouldnt occur in a perfect world now would it). The problem that occurs is that this world isnt perfect, and in this day and age one hardly expects justice from the courts anymore.

Dunno who the fuq is MM but I am assuming you were referring to me? Sure, the world is not perfect, but we were the ones that made it this way. And while he did a bad thing, I don't see how all those people out there rooting for him to have a painful death, or moreso the ones that were hunting him, wanting to shoot his brains out.. I don't see how this would help the world and make it a better place, I think it would only show us how we really are inside, the same viscous, selfish people that are in jail.. they just have shown it in different ways. I can't change what he did, but I can change how I react to it, and that, in its own little way, makes the world one step closer to a better place for everyone.
You have every right to be pissed off, but its not the way I would react.

**Eggs** · 03-16-2005, 05:19 PM

So what should we do? What is enough to make others realize that acting like this is not worth it? I'm all for compassion, but you're talking about something that could very well become a reality in the future, and it is something that has dire consequences. I'm not going to get into vigilante justice and the benefits and negatives of it (as there re undoubtedly more negatives in a civilized society), but I will say that some criminals need to realize that we (common every day citizens) are not going to put up with their shit forever.

There was a time when capital punishment was not allowed. It didnt really have a positive affect on crimes at that time, and it wont now. Certainly vigilante justice has many problems, but the justice system needs to step up to the plate and show criminals in society it will not be trifled with.

**Eggs** · 03-16-2005, 05:24 PM

Oh, and you're right, I did mean you MG.

On a side note, what value does the human life have when we allow criminals more rights? We allow criminals to commit their crimes, and then hand them sentences that are hardly suitable. I believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. A criminal that murders someone should face the same treatment that he gave to his victim. I even believe that he should receive the same type of death that he gave his victim... a gun shot gets a gun shot, and slit throat gets its like. To hand someone a sentence that is not in the least equal to what they committed is sign that the criminal deserves more than the victim.

That shouldnt be the case.

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