Thread: What kind of punishment should child rapists get?

Let´s make this more clear, if a guy had sex with Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears when they were 16 or 17, is that considered child rape by your standards? Here in Brazil it is a crime, I believe it is the same thing in US?

Definitely castration... but the problem is that doesnt cure them from being sick shits. So would have to follow that with a columbian neck tie or life in prison or something.

life in prison

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I'm all for torture first then castration and finish it off with death.

How about castration, then hang by your wrists in public for the rest of your life? The criminal would have a box of rocks in front of him, and it would be society's duty to pelt him everytime they walk by.

He would be forced to stay alive and suffer. Death is an easy way out; dont let them have that.

Originally Posted by Vieope

Let´s make this more clear, if a guy had sex with Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears when they were 16 or 17, is that considered child rape by your standards? Here in Brazil it is a crime, I believe it is the same thing in US?

Depends which state you are in. In many states, a person is legally able to consent to sex at the age of 16. In some states, its 18. Down South, its 13, unless it is with family - in which case it is 9.

I think a pineapple up the ass would be sufficient.

Originally Posted by LW83

I think a pineapple up the ass would be sufficient.

they'd probably like that one

I say lock 'em up & throw away the key.

I agree with busy. From what I hear, the perps in prison take mighty good care of child rapists.

Yeah, life in prison sounds more reasonable.

hmmm. not really does anyone else here know what it costs to keep a man imprisoned for say 30 yrs? 60 yrs? the cost to the tax paying public is a crime in and of itself. public execution.

Originally Posted by rockgazer69

hmmm. not really does anyone else here know what it costs to keep a man imprisoned for say 30 yrs? 60 yrs?

Raping a rapist seems pretty fair to me, so I would have voted for life in prison, if it wasn't for that. I voted death.

i heard after all is said and done, it costs more to put someone to death than hold them in prison for life. is that true?

maybe but hey since we are making the rules here lets change that too.

ya. im all for public execution.

The High Cost of the Death Penalty to Taxpayers

Capital punishment in California, as in every other state, is more expensive than a life imprisonment sentence without the opportunity of parole. These costs are not the result of frivolous appeals but rather the result of Constitutionally mandated safeguards that can be summarized as follows:

• Juries must be given clear guidelines on sentencing, which result in explicit provisions for what constitutes aggravating and mitigating circumstances.
• Defendants must have a dual trial--one to establish guilt or innocence and if guilty a second trial to determine whether or not they would get the death penalty.
• Defendants sentenced to death are granted oversight protection in an automatic appeal to the state supreme court.

These constitutional safeguards translate into:

• a more extensive jury selection procedure
• a four fold increase in the number of motions filed
• a longer, dual trial process
• more investigators and expert testimony
• more lawyers specializing in death penalty litigation
• automatic, mandatory appeals

Since there are few defendants who will plead guilty to a capital charge, virtually every death penalty trial becomes a jury trial with all of the above necessary requirements and expenses.

David Erickson's study* of Los Angeles County breaks down the cost of a capital trial and compares it with the costs of a murder trial where the death penalty is not sought. The following schedule is a summary of Erickson's cost study of a death penalty trial in Los Angeles County only.

Trial Defense Attorney Defense Investigation Prosecution Attorney Prosecution Investigation Court LA Jail Total Cost To LA County Capital $385,998 $48,523 $771,996 $48,523 $506,408 $136,875 $1,898,323 Regular $160,058 $5,105 $320,116 $5,105 $82,188 $54,750 $627,322 This table does not take into consideration the cost of incarceration which, for a death row defendant, would average $189,603. The incarceration of an inmate sentenced to life imprisonment generally costs about $821,613.

• In Los Angeles County, the total cost of capital punishment is $2,087,926.
• In Los Angeles County, the total cost of life imprisonment without possibility of parole is $1,448,935.

*David Erickson's study was completed in 1993 in the form of a Master's thesis for UC Berkeley's Graduate School of Public Policy. The complete study can be found in the UC Berkeley Graduate Library.



General Studies

• A study done by the Sacramento Bee argued that California would save $90 million per year if it were to abolish the death penalty.
• The average cost of a capital trial in Texas is $2.3 million--three times the cost to incarcerate an individual for 40 years.
• The average cost of a capital trial in Florida is $3.2 million.

damn.

yea but public execution would be a damn strong deterrent.

When will it end Michael Jackson trial?

A question I have about those costs, is how much of that money would be spent anyways? Are they including the judges salary for prolonged court cases, as well as public defendants, etc? Of course we are going to pay those people anyways, so in the end the difference might not be that great.

I can definitely see where more money is involved as far as the jurors go, as well as paying for expert witness, and so on. However, I kind of get the feeling those numbers are inflated due to reoccuring costs that we'd have to pay anyhow.

Death by Castration!!!

If the trial is fair and the person forcibly raped someone without a reasonable doubt then I think death penalty is fair.

Where I live some engineers and a project manager recently built a bridge with cheap concrete. The bridge is now sinking slowly and a new bridge has to be built - again - with taxpayer money.

The engineers and project manager were taken out and shot.

That's the way it should be.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

The engineers and project manager were taken out and shot.

That's the way it should be.

Holy crap, now that's too harsh.

I think life in the electric chair!!
or life in prison as long as he/she stays in the main population.
but we see two standards on rapist and molesters depending on if they are a man or woman. It should be the same across the board.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I'm all for torture first then castration and finish it off with death.

Hi minO,

Mostly, I am WITH YOU on this!!!

I believe it is said that many of the child rapists were raped themselves.

There is NO WAY someone can be ALLOWED to do this to a child EVER. CHILDREN ARE ABSOLUTELY SACRED AND MUST BE PROTECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However what would cause a person who was raped themselves to rape another? Wouldn't they be at the very least mentally ill themselves and how do you put a person who is mentally ill to death? Or help them to NEVER do it again and how do you help those that are raped truthfully. I believe that when the FOCUS is put on someone WHO IS RAPED - THAT - THAT (the FOCUS on the act that happened) - IN AND OF ITSELF is at least AS BAD IF NOT MORESO that the rape itself. Consider this: a person who is raped HAS THIS BROUGHT OUT IN PUBLIC by "whoever" and THE TALKING ABOUT IT AND MAKING IT MORE "PUBLIC" to me makes the happening EVEN WORSE that the actual initial happening. Some who have been raped who SAW for themselves what a rape actually IS and have been able to move BEYOND something that happened to them WITHOUT any personal problems because they LOOKED at the whole situation OBJECTIVELY and KNEW THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH what happened to them.

CHILDREN ARE VERY SACRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by Archangel

Death by Castration!!!

Archangel,

If a person BELIEVES in the Bible and the Bible SAYS "Thou shalt not kill" - HOW do you remain true to your "religious" beliefs then? There are NO "EXCEPTIONS" to this command.

What about "vengenance is mine sayeth the Lord"?

John H.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I'm all for torture first then castration and finish it off with death.

Hi minO,

I believe that in countries where prostitution is allowed, child rape is almost non-existant. I am not sure about this but it seems to me I am remembering it right.

And as to prostitution IT MUST BE people of age and abilility of consent and give that consent freely FIRSTHAND. AND NEVER CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi minO,
Wouldn't they be at the very least mentally ill themselves and how do you put a person who is mentally ill to death?

Its quite easy... generally the easiest is to stick the barrel of a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger. I suggest doing it in a place that can be cleaned up easily.

Consider this: a person who is raped HAS THIS BROUGHT OUT IN PUBLIC by "whoever" and THE TALKING ABOUT IT AND MAKING IT MORE "PUBLIC" to me makes the happening EVEN WORSE that the actual initial happening.

Have you ever been raped? Of course all the problems associated with rape make it worse... its hard to admit to it, and victims often feel a sense of shame. Sometimes blaming themselves for not struggling enough, or whatever else the ase may be. Regardless of that, they should not just forget what happened to them and not press charges. Yes, it wasn't their fault... but the person that did that to them needs to be stopped.

The reason that people say that its fitting that they are raped in prison for what they have done, is that is true justice. That they got the same as they gave to others. That is what fairness demands.

Whether they are mentally ill or not is no excuse. We prosecute people that do things when they are drunk all the time, but we aren't going to punish people because they are screwed up in the head? That is rediculous... a person should be responsible for their actions no matter what the case is. You're going to say, well they had a choice to drink. Well, by the same way you attribute a lack of guilt to someone because they are mentally ill, I could also say that an alcoholic is mentally ill, and in the same way should not be prosecuted.

So lets not beat around the bush. Society needs to see consequences for its actions... that is the best deterrent you could have. Offering "therapy" to criminals isnt a deterrent, its usually a day late and a dollar short, and in no way is going to keep future criminals from committing certain actions. With rapists I'd say there is definitely a mental problem, but its probably akin to the problem that somebody has when they murder someone. They are a piece of shit and think they can get away with it.

And it is the job of society and government to not allow that to happen.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi minO,

I believe that in countries where prostitution is allowed, child rape is almost non-existant. I am not sure about this but it seems to me I am remembering it right.

And as to prostitution IT MUST BE people of age and abilility of consent and give that consent freely FIRSTHAND. AND NEVER CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

Take Care, John H.

I know what you mean, here in NY I saw these 13-14 years old mexican girls being used for prostitution.
Sad..

Originally Posted by John H.

Archangel,

If a person BELIEVES in the Bible and the Bible SAYS "Thou shalt not kill" - HOW do you remain true to your "religious" beliefs then? There are NO "EXCEPTIONS" to this command.

What about "vengenance is mine sayeth the Lord"?

John H.

Let me just speak in for a step here. The Bible says "though shalt not kill". However, it has completely endorsed the right of government to establish laws that provide for capital punishment.

Thou shalt not kill is a personal command, not something that applies to law and government, where it is done according to established rule.

You can find plenty of cases of people being killed in the bible, by Gods command plenty of that time.

Vengenance, is that kind of like penenance?