Thread: I was surfing around and found this.

either he has really good genetics and very serious diet/training or hes on roids. But i wouldnt think he uses them

Does it matter if he is?

The acne on his body would lead me to think so, as he's 20 yrs old, but who knows!!?? Why do you wonder?

it realy doesn't matter if he does or doesn't but 25- 30 working sets for chest - mostlikely on roids

The acne on his body would lead me to think so, as he's 20 yrs old, but who knows!!?? Why do you wonder?

A lot of teenagers have bad acne. There's a lot of kids in my school who dont lift at all and have acne all over their face/shoulders and back. I know because of gym class and its disgusting. So that wouldnt really determine if he uses it or not.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Does it matter if he is?

No it doesn't really matter. I don't know the kid and I don't care but I was just wondering what you guys thought. He works out for 3 hours... thats a long ass time. I think taking steroids is cheating.

What is he cheating?

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

A lot of teenagers have bad acne. There's a lot of kids in my school who dont lift at all and have acne all over their face/shoulders and back. I know because of gym class and its disgusting. So that wouldnt really determine if he uses it or not.

Oh I know, I wasnt saying "ya, he uses for sure coz he's got acne", just thinking the acne might start "dying down" around 20 yrs old, but obviously not in his case, so it could be an indication.
The fact that he also trains for 3 hours and loads of sets and doesnt seem to be overtraining may be another factor that leads me to think that he may be using.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

What is he cheating?

His muscles. His body. He didn't work as hard for his body as a natural bodybuilder. So its cheating. This is hypathetical because we don't know if he did this or not.

You think Steroids just make you Grow? How did he cheat his muscles? He had to work hard to acheive those gains on steroids or not.

Because the Steroids provided an enhancement beyond a natural BB makes him a cheater? I could understand if he used and entered a Natural Show. Using Steroids is something you chose to do. I don't see how you consider it cheating.

Don't take offence to this. But do you think it is cheating because someone who has used acheived gains quicker than you have.

BTW I don't use and Have no intentions to use. But I don't see the point in Judging someone who uses as a cheater. They are cheating nothing. They are making decisions on what they want to do there body. Much like someone who smokes. Maybe the smoker should be labeled a cheater because there lungs are more plaque ridden than mine... Dammit

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

You think Steroids just make you Grow?

Yes. He didn't work as hard. Some of my friends have taken steroids and they all got huge. They don't know about diet, bulking, cutting or anything. They go and take roids and get big and walk around with their tight shirts acting like they are tuf guys. It just pisses me off.

So in reality you are Jealous of there gains.

Should the other person who doesn't use any supps, call you a cheater cause maybe you use Creatine, Protein Powder, or some other supplement

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

So in reality you are Jealous of there gains.

Should the other person who doesn't use any supps, call you a cheater cause maybe you use Creatine, Protein Powder, or some other supplement

I am not jealous because I know if I took them I would be big too. They could call me a cheater yes. To me, there is a huge difference between the stuff you can get legally and the stuff you can get illegally.

In reality who cares about what so and so does or who used what. Just use there gains as motivation to improve yourself.

I guess we brought this really off topic

Here is the Definition of Cheat BTW

cheat ( P ) Pronunciation Key (cht)
v. cheat·ed, cheat·ing, cheats
v. tr.
To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
To elude; escape: cheat death.

v. intr.
To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards.
Informal. To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse.

n.
An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle.
One who cheats; a swindler.

So I think what I am hearing is that you personally have an ethical objection to persons using steroids to accelerate thier muscle advancement and developement. That's fine. I'd hesitate to call it "cheating" but I can see how you could draw that conclusion.

Originally Posted by Witmaster

So I think what I am hearing is that you personally have an ethical objection to persons using steroids to accelerate thier muscle advancement and developement. That's fine. I'd hesitate to call it "cheating" but I can see how you could draw that conclusion.

Yes. If you have two boxers battling it out and ones of roids. I think that would be unfair. If you have two BB's on stage and ones on roids that is also unfair. If the one lied and said he didn't take steroids, competed and won. He would have cheated.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

No it doesn't really matter. I don't know the kid and I don't care but I was just wondering what you guys thought. He works out for 3 hours... thats a long ass time. I think taking steroids is cheating.

You obviously don't know shit. You think you can just inject something in your ass and you will grow? That is not how steroids work. Someone who uses steroids still has to push themselves in the gym just as hard and eat a good diet. Ignorant people who take a stance on something they know nothing about pisses me off.

That is different than just your friend using and thinking they are cheating. They are in events where it is clearly stated that they are cheating if using. In which I agree with. But a person who uses for personal gratification is far from a cheater.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

I am not jealous because I know if I took them I would be big too. They could call me a cheater yes. To me, there is a huge difference between the stuff you can get legally and the stuff you can get illegally.

Once again, your ignorance shows through. How do you know you would get big off steroids? What if you just got real sick and had to discontinue using them? What if all they did was cause you to retain water with very little strenght gains? What if you thought they were working so you ate a bunch of shit food and just got fat? My point is that you have no idea what steroids will do to you until you use them, so to say you know you would get big off them is stupid. All of these things are a possibility when using steroids. Not everyone gains muscle mass while on cycle. So are you saying that using steroids before they were banned wasn't cheating, but simply because of their legality it makes using them cheating?

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Yes. If you have two boxers battling it out and ones of roids. I think that would be unfair. If you have two BB's on stage and ones on roids that is also unfair. If the one lied and said he didn't take steroids, competed and won. He would have cheated.

Ahhhh OK but (and I think the guys above me have nailed this fairly well) you didn't mention anything about competitive boxing or bodybuilding in your opening statements. All you said was

They go and take roids and get big and walk around with their tight shirts acting like they are tuf guys

That's totally different than a competitive sport.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

That is different than just your friend using and thinking they are cheating. They are in events where it is clearly stated that they are cheating if using. In which I agree with. But a person who uses for personal gratification is far from a cheater.

I agree. If the rules of the game say no steroids and you use, then technically you are most definately cheating, just as Sammy Sosa was cheating when he corked his bat, but calling every steroid user a cheater is stupid.

I guess I don't know anything about steroids. I have never taken them. I spoke with 2 of my friends that have taken them and I know I work way harder then they do in the gym and they got big off steroids. I didn't mean you just stick yourself and you get huge. You have to do some work. I am just stateing my opinion as an average erson that doesn't know shit about bodybuilding. I will never use steroids because I have read they are bad for you. I also read that you lose everything after you stop taking them. Although my friends still look pretty big. They have to be illegal for some reason right?

Just my .02, but one could very well in a way consider steroids to be cheating. Of course, what they are cheating in probably has to be defined. Just taking them would not be considered cheating though. Now, if you consider that every man on the planet is in some sort of competition for the hot chicks, and a person that is well muscled definitely has a little more chance of scoring with one, then one could say "those mofos are cheating me out of the bitches by getting all muscled up." Of course, that would be equating taking roids to making money as well, because if you have the dough, there is also an increased chance of scoring with some hos.

All in all, who gives a shit? Let them take their roids, if you really want to consider it cheating, the only people they might really be cheating consistantly are themselves. You dont need to take offense at that. If you are committed to being all natural, stick to that and don't let the guys using the pharmaceuticals get you down. You're only responsible for yourself, and you can do just fine any way you choose as long as you stick to it and work hard.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

I guess I don't know anything about steroids. I have never taken them. I spoke with 2 of my friends that have taken them and I know I work way harder then they do in the gym and they got big off steroids. I didn't mean you just stick yourself and you get huge. You have to do some work. I am just stateing my opinion as an average erson that doesn't know shit about bodybuilding. I will never use steroids because I have read they are bad for you. I also read that you lose everything after you stop taking them. Although my friends still look pretty big. They have to be illegal for some reason right?

You have to bust your ass to get big, steroids or not. I have worked just as hard while on cycle as I did before using steroids, but because the gains come faster, people automatically assume you don't have to do shit to get them. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Steroids can be very bad for you if you don't know how to use them, which is why educating yourself about steroid use as much as possible before using them is a must if you care about yourself. Also, the amount of gains you keep after a cycle is completely dependent on yourself, a proper Post Cycle Therapy, and your discipline as a bodybuilder. Think about it, if everyone lost all their gains after coming off a cycle, why would anyone use them? Yes some people may lose all their gains, but people with proper diet, training and PCT can keep their gains but lose the water weight.

Originally Posted by Doublebase

I guess I don't know anything about steroids. I have never taken them. I spoke with 2 of my friends that have taken them and I know I work way harder then they do in the gym and they got big off steroids. I didn't mean you just stick yourself and you get huge. You have to do some work. I am just stateing my opinion as an average erson that doesn't know shit about bodybuilding. I will never use steroids because I have read they are bad for you. I also read that you lose everything after you stop taking them. Although my friends still look pretty big. They have to be illegal for some reason right?

You might work harder, but maybe they work smarter

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

I have worked just as hard while on cycle as I did before using steroids

What made you inject yourself with steroids? Did you plateu? Were you competing? Are you an athlete?

Originally Posted by Doublebase

Yes. He didn't work as hard. Some of my friends have taken steroids and they all got huge. They don't know about diet, bulking, cutting or anything. They go and take roids and get big and walk around with their tight shirts acting like they are tuf guys. It just pisses me off.

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!
I didnt even go thru the rest of the posts in this thread after I read this, and Im assuming that various people here must have answered but I just HAD to say something!!

#1: U dont just take steroids and instantly get huge!! Juicing, without hard work and a great diet equals shit, nada, nothing zero!! Steroids ENHANCE one's training and efforts, they're not a magic trick!

#2: "They go and take roids and get big and walk around with their tight shirts acting like they are tuf guys." Dont blame that on steroids, ure friends are simply jerks!!! Buy shirts one size smaller, that way u can walk around with a tight shirt too!!! sheesh!

Originally Posted by crazy_enough

OMG OMG OMG!!!!!
I didnt even go thru the rest of the posts in this thread after I read this, but Im assuming that various people here must have answered but I just HAD to say something!!

#1: U dont just take steroids and instantly get huge!! Juicing, without hard work and a great diet equals shit, nada, nothing zero!! Steroids ENHANCE one's training and efforts, they're not a magic trick!

Thanks for reinerated that. I don't believe in magic