Thread: Fuck Iraq

Who would want to move to that shithole, it is one endless desert.

How are we getting 400 attacks a day? I thought we captured Sadaam, game over.

I do not think it would be in the USA's best interest to sink to their level, so we have to continue to "play by the rules" while they do not.

Its the damn radicals over there. They dont need Saddam to kill people. They are like gangs of thugs except they are putting death upon people who arent thugs; reporters, engineers. How stupid can a group of people become, they killed an Engineer that was trying to help the country have clean water! Its like dealing with people that dont have ears and are simply running on killer instinct.

The problem is its not even Iraq that is actually causing problems, Iraq is trying to work with us and establish control over its people. Its the damn people who are inhabiting the country, whom lots of them probably dont even belong in Iraq.

I'd prefer to turn the place into a glass parking lot personally. Unfortunately, for various reasons we have to take the high road. Ah well, it would have been fun.

Originally Posted by WilliamB

The problem is its not even Iraq that is actually causing problems, Iraq is trying to work with us and establish control over its people. Its the damn people who are inhabiting the country, whom lots of them probably dont even belong in Iraq.

Exactly. I agree that it is frustrating as hell to hear about more marines dying and other people dying, but just know that it is a small minority of the population that is doing this. A lot are even coming from other countries to fight the US.

Personally, I think they're fucking idiots inhibiting the development of Iraq like that.

Im sick of the deaths, im sick of the money we are spending, my life hasnt changed because of the war, it hasnt made it better, it was pointless and we got nothing out of it. It gets me really upset.

It's such a cluster fuck, I mean they train guys and give them guns and then these guys quit the Police force or Army so they can sell the free gun to some insurgent.

Originally Posted by WilliamB

The death of one more Marine is to much. I say fuck this pussy lolly gag shit around any more. This site says there are 400 attacks a week occuring in Iraq, 400! http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...27063809990009. Those bastards are shooting down anything they can put their cross hair on including commerical aircraft, but thats not to relivent because we know those fools can't aim straight. They want to see what terror is ehh?! America can show you terror. Initiate the shock and awe method on the entire fucking country. Most of the world already doesnt stand behind the US, so fuck em. I dont want to see one more 20 year old Marine lose his life to some religious junky behind an AK. They think they are the only one who can be ruthless by capturing photogrpahers and posting the removal of their head on the internet? Put $100,000 bounties on the heads of those mother fuckers and offer free flights to Iraq.

Think they wanted us there in the first place?

Originally Posted by WilliamB

The death of one more Marine is to much. I say fuck this pussy lolly gag shit around any more. This site says there are 400 attacks a week occuring in Iraq, 400! http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/arti...27063809990009. Those bastards are shooting down anything they can put their cross hair on including commerical aircraft, but thats not to relivent because we know those fools can't aim straight. They want to see what terror is ehh?! America can show you terror. Initiate the shock and awe method on the entire fucking country. Most of the world already doesnt stand behind the US, so fuck em. I dont want to see one more 20 year old Marine lose his life to some religious junky behind an AK. They think they are the only one who can be ruthless by capturing photogrpahers and posting the removal of their head on the internet? Put $100,000 bounties on the heads of those mother fuckers and offer free flights to Iraq.

Hi William,

I understand how you feel. EACH OF OUR MEN IS SACRED!

I too have fought in war and in hand-to-hand - I SAID this was going to be another Vietnam before this all started and I still think so.

We were NOT prepared before going in and had bad intelligence - or none at all. The rest of the world knew better than we what was going on there and always has in this area and knew it to be the hot-bed it always has been and probably always will be. I feel the only reason we really went in there was for the oil and nothing more. And whenever you get into something you NEVER say beforehand what your plans are - you let your deeds speak for themselves after. And our MEN are the ones suffering for our ill-preparedness. And lack of the proper amount of troops as well.

We walked right into a very bad situation. Without doing any real investigating into the WHOLE situation beforehand and how we would take care of it after the initial confrontations. And they are NEVER going to forget us and will always be our enemy. The "religious zealots" are in charge in the Middle East and the cause of the unrest there and the "religious zealots" are the very people who voted George Bush into office in the USA because he kissed up to them. He was not a "religious person" until he saw how he could utilize religion for his political aggenda and his father's. George Bush the President - the first one - initially lost to the "religious right" and then ultimately won after they realized they had to have the "religious right" on their side to win.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I do not think it would be in the USA's best interest to sink to their level, so we have to continue to "play by the rules" while they do not.

Hi Robert,

UNTIL it gets so bad and we have no other choice... Maybe....

In my opinion as a war veteran we should never have gone there even for the oil in the first place. We probably would never have been caught up in all this then. Being dependent on oil will be our downfall - in fact being locked into just any one thing and not being independent and deversified is asking for trouble. Our strength has always been in our abilities and our deversity. NOT having all our "eggs in one basket".

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Who would want to move to that shithole, it is one endless desert.

How are we getting 400 attacks a day? I thought we captured Sadaam, game over.

Hi Dale,

In my opinion: NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND!!!!

It is a sinkhole.

And Saddam is who gave George the first President the problems. It was Bin Laden who we really are supposed to be after and still do not have.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by WilliamB

Its the damn radicals over there. They dont need Saddam to kill people. They are like gangs of thugs except they are putting death upon people who arent thugs; reporters, engineers. How stupid can a group of people become, they killed an Engineer that was trying to help the country have clean water! Its like dealing with people that dont have ears and are simply running on killer instinct.

Hi William,

We ALL MUST REMEMBER that those that are sent over there and for what reason will be targets. Why they are sent over there means nothing to these people who are against us.

RELIGION and religious beliefs are at the heart of all this in the Middle East. And our wanting oil. These people are willing to commit suicide themselves to further their beliefs. When someone is that intent they will do anything anywhere - or try - including here in the USA. They proved that.

Take Care, John H.

Ok John,
I can speak to this situation first hand. This is the theater that I served in and I spent nine months in the sand. The problem with this latest invasion is we didn't have a clear objective. Oust Sadaam and then what? The first part of that was pretty easy and well founded in my opinion. However now we are finding ourself trying to restore Democracy or should I say instill democracy which becomes very difficult in terms of a military mission. It becomes hard to distingush who is your enemy and who isn't? Prime example is the MArine that is being charged with murder because he shot two insurgents.

Originally Posted by John H.

We were NOT prepared before going in and had bad intelligence - or none at all. The rest of the world knew better than we what was going on there and always has in this area and knew it to be the hot-bed it always has been and probably always will be. I feel the only reason we really went in there was for the oil and nothing more. And whenever you get into something you NEVER say beforehand what your plans are - you let your deeds speak for themselves after. And our MEN are the ones suffering for our ill-preparedness. And lack of the proper amount of troops as well.

We walked right into a very bad situation. Without doing any real investigating into the WHOLE situation beforehand and how we would take care of it after the initial confrontations. And they are NEVER going to forget us and will always be our enemy. The "religious zealots" are in charge in the Middle East and the cause of the unrest there and the "religious zealots" are the very people who voted George Bush into office in the USA because he kissed up to them. He was not a "religious person" until he saw how he could utilize religion for his political aggenda and his father's. George Bush the President - the first one - initially lost to the "religious right" and then ultimately won after they realized they had to have the "religious right" on their side to win.

Take Care, John H.

Brilliant post. I agree with your points.

Iraq was a disaster from the day Saddam was ousted. But I remember the ignorant and arrogant Americans, clueless about almost everything. Most Americans at the time of Hussein's removal did not know the difference between the Sunni and Shiites sects of Islam and their implications in politics in Iraq.

How much mony has been spent on the Iraq war? We don't really know, because the Military is not transparent.

"80 years of humiliation" --Osama Bin Laden


Sad to say, Osama is right.

Originally Posted by primus_122

my life hasnt changed because of the war, it hasnt made it better, it was pointless and we got nothing out of it.

They did not go into Iraq "to get anything".
And it wasn't to make your life better. You better get your head out of your ass and look at the big picture here.

America .... Fuck Yea! Comin to save, the mothefuckin world!

Originally Posted by TheCurse

America .... Fuck Yea! Comin to save, the mothefuckin world!

Youre joking right?

Originally Posted by devildog88

Ok John,
I can speak to this situation first hand. This is the theater that I served in and I spent nine months in the sand. The problem with this latest invasion is we didn't have a clear objective. Oust Sadaam and then what? The first part of that was pretty easy and well founded in my opinion. However now we are finding ourself trying to restore Democracy or should I say instill democracy which becomes very difficult in terms of a military mission. It becomes hard to distingush who is your enemy and who isn't? Prime example is the MArine that is being charged with murder because he shot two insurgents.

Hi Devil,

There are NOT enough troops to fight the war and take care of the afterwork. The Politicians were warned about this BEFORE we went to war and the Politicians said the military did not know what it was talking about basically and/or it did not matter anyway.

And so the military (USA) finds itself in a quagmire.

With regard to "democracy" - it seems to me that I remember us saying we were NOT going to try to establish democracy there. Only gain a peace. I could be wrong but I sure feel I remember our government making that statement. The reason I seem to remember this is that it seemed "interesting" to me that it would be put this way. I could be wrong though.

A mililtary mission is just that - military. Democratization involves a willingness of those people to WANT IT in the first place. Many DO NOT and DID NOT. So then we have to ask ourselves are we then going to shove democracy down the throats of those that do not want it and how do we do that? The same is with "religion" - if a person "believes" a certain way, how do you shove something contrary to their "beliefs" down their throat or have them "accept" for themselves?

We should have never gone over there even for one drop of oil in the first place. We should have made this country energy independent TOTALLY and deversified - not all our eggs in one basket.

Take Care, John H.

Yawn

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

Most Americans at the time of Hussein's removal did not know the difference between the Sunni and Shiites sects of Islam and their implications in politics in Iraq.

I would extend this to say that most Americans just don't give a fuck, myself included. Most of us just want "those fucks" to stop ramming our planes into our buildings. Unforunately, I don't think most Americans are aware that "those fucks" that rammed us with our planes do not reside in Iraq. I would venture a guess that at least 51% of our population doesn't realize that.

Originally Posted by njc

Youre joking right?

haha, you obviously havent seen this flash movie:

http://omgwtf.superlime.com/America_FuckYeah.swf

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I do not think it would be in the USA's best interest to sink to their level, so we have to continue to "play by the rules" while they do not.

Exactly...
We have to be the ones doing all this shit, because if we didn't, someone else would
And then the support that we actually get from over half of the
Iraqi's would be lost

That's why we help all of the struggling country's who arent communist
To keep allies...

Every life does matter, but still... the deathcount for this "war" is less than almost any single battle in any other war.

Originally Posted by John H.

A mililtary mission is just that - military. Democratization involves a willingness of those people to WANT IT in the first place. Many DO NOT and DID NOT. So then we have to ask ourselves are we then going to shove democracy down the throats of those that do not want it and how do we do that? The same is with "religion" - if a person "believes" a certain way, how do you shove something contrary to their "beliefs" down their throat or have them "accept" for themselves?

Great point.

Originally Posted by drew.haynes

Every life does matter, but still... the deathcount for this "war" is less than almost any single battle in any other war.

Tell that to the friends and families of those who have passed during this war.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I would extend this to say that most Americans just don't give a fuck, myself included. Most of us just want "those fucks" to stop ramming our planes into our buildings. Unforunately, I don't think most Americans are aware that "those fucks" that rammed us with our planes do not reside in Iraq. I would venture a guess that at least 51% of our population doesn't realize that.

Yep and a certain someone(starts with a G ends with an H a W. stuck in the middle) exploited that ignorance November of 2004.

Originally Posted by drew.haynes

Every life does matter, but still... the deathcount for this "war" is less than almost any single battle in any other war.

Those were battles during the war, supposedly this war is mission accomplished and we've lost more men than prior to "missoin accomplished" day.