Thread: Banning Of Marijuana

There has been no scientific proof that marijuana is effective at any level for medical treatment.

this is not true. marijuana is effective at reducing or eliminating pain and getting people to eat when their health could depend on it. where did you get that statement? it's bs.

ps i hate drugs, even prescribed ones, but i think sick people deserve to be treated.

There IS PROOF that Marijuana relieves symptons in many illnesses.

This is a state issue, not one for the Federal government.

I have to say that Marijuana has been medically proven to calm you down when you have smoked too much crack or done one too many lines of coke.....I read it in a book written by an MD.....really it's true

Personally I think it's bullshit. A person should have several choices of treatment of certain ailments not just one option, to pop a pill. IMO, it's all about politics and taking a little money away from the drug manufacturers.

there is tons of medical evidence in regards to the many positives that marijuana has with just about zero long or short term side effects.

this is no suprise at all to me. Its ok to use the drugs that they deem ok b/c they make profit, but not drugs that cannot be controlled or regulated, god forbid a person find relif and you don't profit.. its how this country works. decisions are not made by experts or based on factual information, only by those that have a hand in the pot.

Originally Posted by LAM

there is tons of medical evidence in regards to the many positives that marijuana has with just about zero long or short term side effects.

i read it may cause cancer in long term users........makes you wonder if they ever legalized it, wouldn't it be like introducing tobacco again once companies start altering it and adding chemicals?

I don't smoke marijuana, but I completely support legalizing it.

Originally Posted by Crono1000

I don't smoke marijuana, but I completely support legalizing it.

I know everyone will be fuq ups and itll be easier for me to get a job........wait everyone is a bunch of fuck ups.......and i still dont have a job......ah fuq that im not going to work.....im going to go smoke some weed






ps:....i dont do drugs

Originally Posted by gr81

this is no suprise at all to me. Its ok to use the drugs that they deem ok b/c they make profit, but not drugs that cannot be controlled or regulated, god forbid a person find relif and you don't profit.. its how this country works. decisions are not made by experts or based on factual information, only by those that have a hand in the pot.

there's a disturbing trend with gr81 speaking exactly my thoughts.

If the government could tax it, don't doubt they'd legalize it.

Originally Posted by CRASHMAN

i read it may cause cancer in long term users........makes you wonder if they ever legalized it, wouldn't it be like introducing tobacco again once companies start altering it and adding chemicals?

EVERYTHING CAUSES CANCER!

Originally Posted by CRASHMAN

i read it may cause cancer in long term users........makes you wonder if they ever legalized it, wouldn't it be like introducing tobacco again once companies start altering it and adding chemicals?

that is nothing but an asumption. to date there is not one recorderd case of cancer caused by marijuana smoking alone. compare that to 400,000 deaths each year known to be caused by cigarettes

I would go along with it being legalized if there was scientific proof. All I see is people's opinion that smoke it that say it helps them. I think it helps them because they are stoned and don't feel anything else. I could be wrong but if there is scientific proof, where is it? And until the government proves it is safe and has no long term side effects, I do not see it being legalized.

The court is SUPPOSED to uphold the law as written, not write law.

quote from CNN.com:

"Justice John Paul Stevens, writing the 6-3 decision, said that Congress could change the law to allow medical use of marijuana."


In other words, he's saying that the law needs changing.

Ask any patient that is or was going thru chemo therapy. The chemo makes them too sick to eat, but with a little pot they are able to build up an appetite.

"Scientific proof". What a crock of shit. How many chemo patients who can't eat without smoking or otherwise ingesting pot who suddenly can afterwards do you need for "scientific proof"?

How many terminally ill patients who are in constant pain (which is relieved with a couple of tokes) do you need as "scientific proof"?

I can tell you that there are thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands.

I can tell you that it two people very close to me, both cancer patients, one terminal.

Taking that away is criminal, FAR more so than smoking it for whatever reason could ever possibly be.

One step further, I say from experience and observation that pot is by far and away less harmful than alcohol. It impairs you in a very different way, and makes you far less likely to harm yourself or others.

Originally Posted by vellanator

and makes you far less likely to harm yourself or others.

So the people that drive under the influence of marijuana and crash their cars don't harm themselves or others? Give me a break. I will agree that alcohol is a bigger problem though.

Originally Posted by rockgazer69

ps i hate drugs, even prescribed ones, but i think sick people deserve to be treated.

Hi Rock,

I totally agree with you on this. I never take anything unless there is no other way. And when I do take anything I take the smallest amount.

Whenever possible: AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE everytime.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by dg806

So the people that drive under the influence of marijuana and crash their cars don't harm themselves or others? Give me a break. I will agree that alcohol is a bigger problem though.

Hi Dg,

People DO have to BE RESPONSIBLE when taking any drugs/medications. FOR SURE!

Alcohol and cigarettes are very wrong for the Human Body too.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by dg806

What are your thoughts? Don't just base it on personal opinion.
There has been no scientific proof that marijuana is effective at any level for medical treatment. Do you think that states should have the right to set the laws?

Hi Dg,

I feel medical professionals should make the determination on a person-by-person basis based on their patients' medical needs. And this should apply here as well with regard to mj and the federal government should make it the same for each state all across the nation. Making laws state-by-state is not good on this topic. There would be inconsistancies. The feds should recognize that there is a real medical need here and that this should be an option under medical supervision the same all across the nation.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by dg806

I would go along with it being legalized if there was scientific proof. All I see is people's opinion that smoke it that say it helps them...

And what is wrong with anecdotal evidence? If one believes that smoking weed helps you deal with cancer, then it does help.......more power to you. It is not an unreasonable course to take. Hell, states are legislating on the propriety of homosexual marriage....where's the scientific proof that validates that law making?

If we waited for conclusory scientific evidence before passing a law, there'd be few laws out there.

Originally Posted by dg806

I would go along with it being legalized if there was scientific proof. All I see is people's opinion that smoke it that say it helps them. I think it helps them because they are stoned and don't feel anything else. I could be wrong but if there is scientific proof, where is it? And until the government proves it is safe and has no long term side effects, I do not see it being legalized.

I'm a former smoker, grower, and seller, and I have to say I agree with this statement.

I went to Hash Bash in Ann Arbor one year, and it's no wonder the legalization movement gets no love. It's run by cooks and crackpots, for the most part.

The Medical Marijuana initiatives are supported by 15% true sympathizers, 85% stoners who see this as their window of opportunity to stop the paranoia associated with their underground activities.

And what difference is there between a stoner with no legs and a stoner on a couch? True neither of them are going anywhere; but maybe that's the crux of the issue for your average American who embraces growth.

Please, before you repeat the tried and true myths of Marijuana legalization, do a PubMed search. Let's talk reality here, not what High Times glamorizes.

And re: the drug maker's consipracy--uh...what? If I am to believe the "activists," they are sitting on a cash crop of perfect medicine. Surely their own private studies and research must point in a different direction than the pro-pot propoganda machine.

Truth be told, they are researching cannabis-based medicinal extracts (CBMEs). This is different that smoking a joint. Why go this route?

"Despite the evidence that cannabinoids can disrupt cognitive function and promote depression, on the basis of current data, such adverse effects seem unlikely to be associated with the use of CBMEs. "

Below is the most recent study I found, and it discusses CBMEs as treatment for MS. It clearly states that:

The evidence for the therapeutic efficacy of cannabinoids in the treatment of multiple sclerosis (MS) is increasing but is not as yet convincing.

and additionally that:

there is no evidence to suggest that their effects on balance and motor control, or immune function, may be clinically significant. There is, however, reason to be concerned about the use of therapeutic cannabinoids by people predisposed to psychosis and by pregnant women, given the increasing evidence of their adverse effects on the fetus.

Read for yourself:
The safety of cannabinoids for the treatment of multiple sclerosis.
Expert Opin Drug Saf. 2005 May;4(3):443-56.

So we can isolate a compound from pot that subjectively makes people feel sort of good, but as far as actually doing anything, there are FAR better alternatives. And as far as pain management goes, there are FAR better alternatives. Marijunana is like muddy glue to your nuerotransmitter receptors, whereas Opiates fit like hand in glove. Why do you think junkies shoot smack, when they could smoke a joint instead?

If I'm laid up with a spine transplant, you'd better believe I'd rather push the happy button on the morphine drip, and leave riding to snake to the lake to kids in college.

Additionally, read your studies carefully, b/c what's being studied now are various cannabanoid extracts, not smoking joints or fresh buds from B.C.

Again, not to keep bringing up Opiates, but this is straight out of recent medical research (a review of the cognitive consequences of drug use):

The available studies using brain imaging techniques and neuropsychological tests show that acutely, all drugs create a disharmony in the neuropsychological network, causing a decrease of activity in areas responsible for short-term memory and attention, with the possible exception of heroin.

In other words, the worst part about Heroin is the addiction.

Again, why do you think we have morphine drips? Why don't football players get addicted to medical marijuana?

As a psychedelic/eurphoric/subjective relaxant/narcotic--a recreational drug--weed is effective. But as medicine for the sick?

Originally Posted by dg806

So the people that drive under the influence of marijuana and crash their cars don't harm themselves or others? Give me a break. I will agree that alcohol is a bigger problem though.

you can't even compare the number of auto crashes and fatalities attibuted to marijuana alone as compared to alcohol. I would love to see the data on those stats especially for drivers 16-25. I would also love to see the data on violent crimes commited by persons only on marijuana vs alcohol.

Originally Posted by LAM

you can't even compare the number of auto crashes and fatalities attibuted to marijuana alone as compared to alcohol. I would love to see the data on those stats especially for drivers 16-25. I would also love to see the data on violent crimes commited by persons only on marijuana vs alcohol.

We're talking about marijuana as medicine, not recreational drug.

See how easily the line blurs?

I don't believe for a second that marijuana is the best choice as a pain medication. I also do not believe the people who use it absolutely require it. I also do not believe the federal gov't has any business regulating it.

If chronic wasn't so easy to produce, it would be legalized in a secondand some pharm company with the patent would be funneling mass funds towards politicians to prevent it's banning..

Dale, do you got any chronic?

Originally Posted by brodus

We're talking about marijuana as medicine, not recreational drug.

See how easily the line blurs?

Very true. Have you seen the statistics for auto accidents and fatal crashes for person using prescription meds ? They are astonishing. It’s ridiculous to compare the "dangers" of marijuana use for any reasons (recreational or medicinal) when compared to all of the legal & dangerous drugs that are available.