Thread: The greatest Country in the world

Originally Posted by lnvanry

I don't get it?

he saying that your born into money! you dont have a choice, you dont pick your parents!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by lnvanry

I don't get it?

I know, and that is the sad thing about it.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I know, and that is the sad thing about it.

True Story...

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I know, and that is the sad thing about it.

so if does that mean if you are born into poverty you have to be the shoe shiner?

BigDyl do you types anythings besides "true story" or "ban him" or "0wned"?

Originally Posted by lnvanry

so if does that mean if you are born into poverty you have to be the shoe shiner?

BigDyl do you types anythings besides "true story" or "ban him" or "0wned"?

NO! BANNED!

Originally Posted by lnvanry

so if does that mean if you are born into poverty you have to be the shoe shiner?

BigDyl do you types anythings besides "true story" or "ban him" or "0wned"?

No, but it certainly puts you at a disadvantage. A moron with out of control behavior and horrible business sense like George Bush would probably be a shoe shiner if not for daddy.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

No, but it certainly puts you at a disadvantage. A moron with out of control behavior and horrible business sense like George Bush would probably be a shoe shiner if not for daddy.

I am completely for capitalism, and completely against socialism, but I have to agree with the above statement.
I would like to make a correction to the logic some of you are using regarding which the vagina you came from statement.
I don't think the amount of money that your parents make has any bearing on what you could accomplish today in the states. Poor parents raise children to be sucessful all of the time.

Think of it like this. Do people that have great genetics with huge fucking muscles owe anything to the 130lb little guys, just because they were born with shit genetics? I don't think so. I think the guy with shit genetics should work harder at it. It would be ludicrous to expect the big guy to give some of his muscle to the little guy just because he has so much and the little guy has so little. Well I think about money the same way.

But, the quality of your parents makes a huge difference on whether you are successful. It is common for lower class citizens to not push their kids to get an education even when it is fucking free. That is stupidity at its worst. That is why so many kids grow up to be worthless, because their parents were worthless. I will guarantee you that parents of wealthy families make their children do well in school, so to have a head start in the world.
Money isn't the controlling factor here, intelligence combined with wisdom is. Successful people teach their kids to be successful. Worthless people teach their children to be worthless.
There are exceptions, because many kids do not turn out anything like their parents, because of events that shaped their life. But for the most part, this holds true.
So why give tax breaks to the poor? Lol, nevermind, the poor take more out of the system than they put in, I forgot. I say give the middle class a break, we are the ones that are carrying both the upper and lower class. We work the shitty 9 to 5 jobs making big corporations rich while paying taxes to fund the worthless lower class.
Too bad they are poor, because their didn't have parents that taught them to have a better work ethic or the value of investing into your future.
Too fucking bad! That doesn't mean I want to bust my ass to help pay for their problems. Fucking go back to school, get an education and fix your life.

The funny thing is look how well socialism is working in France right now.
Do we really want to look like that in 50 years? The citizens of France are softer and lazier than we are. They have an entire class of foreigners doing the labor jobs, because socialism has made the country to weak to do their own shitjobs so they brought in other people to do it for them. Now, the worker class is rebelling against their system and there isn't shit they can do about it. The same thing is going to happen to use if we don’t start enforcing our borders better, but that is a different issue all together.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I don't think the amount of money that your parents make has any bearing on what you could accomplish today in the states. Poor parents raise children to be sucessful all of the time.

I disagree 1000%.

Originally Posted by KelJu

Think of it like this. Do people that have great genetics with huge fucking muscles owe anything to the 130lb little guys, just because they were born with shit genetics? I don't think so. I think the guy with shit genetics should work harder at it. It would be ludicrous to expect the big guy to give some of his muscle to the little guy just because he has so much and the little guy has so little. Well I think about money the same way.

The guy with shit genetics will never be Mr. O no matter how hard he trys.

Originally Posted by KelJu

But, the quality of your parents makes a huge difference on whether you are successful. It is common for lower class citizens to not push their kids to get an education even when it is fucking free. That is stupidity at its worst. That is why so many kids grow up to be worthless, because their parents were worthless. I will guarantee you that parents of wealthy families make their children do well in school, so to have a head start in the world.
Money isn't the controlling factor here, intelligence combined with wisdom is. Successful people teach their kids to be successful. Worthless people teach their children to be worthless.
There are exceptions, because many kids do not turn out anything like their parents, because of events that shaped their life. But for the most part, this holds true.
So why give tax breaks to the poor? Lol, nevermind, the poor take more out of the system than they put in, I forgot. I say give the middle class a break, we are the ones that are carrying both the upper and lower class. We work the shitty 9 to 5 jobs making big corporations rich while paying taxes to fund the worthless lower class.
Too bad they are poor, because their didn't have parents that taught them to have a better work ethic or the value of investing into your future.
Too fucking bad! That doesn't mean I want to bust my ass to help pay for their problems. Fucking go back to school, get an education and fix your life.

The funny thing is look how well socialism is working in France right now.
Do we really want to look like that in 50 years? The citizens of France are softer and lazier than we are. They have an entire class of foreigners doing the labor jobs, because socialism has made the country to weak to do their own shitjobs so they brought in other people to do it for them. Now, the worker class is rebelling against their system and there isn't shit they can do about it. The same thing is going to happen to use if we don’t start enforcing our borders better, but that is a different issue all together.

True Story, I see people who give 1000% at work, work on the weekends, and put in 12 hour days and who basically are 99% the reason the company is so sucessful. Then I see a higher up who gets paid 5x more with no education, who does nothing but goto meetings all day. And, I see it all the time.

The higher up guy pays more taxes, so he contributes more to society though.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I don't think the amount of money that your parents make has any bearing on what you could accomplish today in the states. Poor parents raise children to be sucessful all of the time.

I disagree 1000%.

Ok, let me rephrase that.
I don't think the amount of money your parents make can stop you from accomplishing great things in the states.

I know that being born rich puts you at an advantage, but being poor also puts you at an advantage when you are college age. Middle class gets shit on because they make too much for their kids to receive any college aid, but don't always make enough to help their kids pay for it. If you are wealthy, mommy and daddy pays for it, and if you are dirt poor, Uncle Sam pays for it. If you are middle class, you get stuck paying for it yourself usually and the poor people's education on top of that.

Originally Posted by KelJu

I am completely for capitalism, and completely against socialism, but I have to agree with the above statement.
I would like to make a correction to the logic some of you are using regarding which the vagina you came from statement.
I don't think the amount of money that your parents make has any bearing on what you could accomplish today in the states. Poor parents raise children to be sucessful all of the time.

To say it has no bearing is ridiculous. Wealthy parents can afford a better education, a more nurturing environment for child, etc. Compare a family where there is a full time stay at home mother to a family where both parents work two jobs to support their children, and the child has to learn to stay home by themselves at the age of 5. You don't think that has any effect on the development of the child? It's easy to speculate that the child could've done X or Y when you've never been in that situation.

Think of it like this. Do people that have great genetics with huge fucking muscles owe anything to the 130lb little guys, just because they were born with shit genetics? I don't think so. I think the guy with shit genetics should work harder at it. It would be ludicrous to expect the big guy to give some of his muscle to the little guy just because he has so much and the little guy has so little. Well I think about money the same way.

This is different. Money equates to buying the necessary resources to survive. Having an extra 100 pounds of muscle mass on your frame doesn't. That is a comparison that sounds good until you realize that one is referring to something that is essential to survival and the other is referring to a frill that some people choose to experience.

But, the quality of your parents makes a huge difference on whether you are successful. It is common for lower class citizens to not push their kids to get an education even when it is fucking free. That is stupidity at its worst. That is why so many kids grow up to be worthless, because their parents were worthless. I will guarantee you that parents of wealthy families make their children do well in school, so to have a head start in the world.
Money isn't the controlling factor here, intelligence combined with wisdom is. Successful people teach their kids to be successful. Worthless people teach their children to be worthless.

Again, it's easy to speculate from afar. A lot of times the parents do push their children, but they have a harder time coping with the stressors of a more impoverished lifestyle. As well, the parents don't often have the time to devote to their children, like the stay at home mother in a well off family. Are there scenarios in the world such as those you are mentioning? Certainly, but there are just as many where the circumstances of life play a larger factor than you are letting on.

There are exceptions, because many kids do not turn out anything like their parents, because of events that shaped their life. But for the most part, this holds true.

For the most part? You're just talking out of your ass. Let's be honest. Neither one of us know the percentage of people that fail as a result of poor parenting or as a result of a lack of the ability to parent sufficiently because of their living situation.

So why give tax breaks to the poor? Lol, nevermind, the poor take more out of the system than they put in, I forgot. I say give the middle class a break, we are the ones that are carrying both the upper and lower class. We work the shitty 9 to 5 jobs making big corporations rich while paying taxes to fund the worthless lower class.

Because they need the money. If they have more discretionary income, then they can buy more things from rich corporations. Why give tax breaks to the rich? What the fuck do they need the money for? Golden toilet seats? I'm talking the top 1% richest people in the country, who recent tax cuts have funneled plenty of funds to. Fuck them, they don't need the help.

Too bad they are poor, because their didn't have parents that taught them to have a better work ethic or the value of investing into your future.
Too fucking bad! That doesn't mean I want to bust my ass to help pay for their problems. Fucking go back to school, get an education and fix your life.

Oh yeah, it's just that easy to go back to school and fix your life. Just like that, snap my fingers, poof it's done. Give me a fucking break. It takes time, suffering in the grips of massive debt, and an incredible amount of stress. Not to mention a 4 year degree doesn't get you shit anymore.

It's all about connections. I have a friend who got a job making 40K a year right out of highschool with no certifications and a very minimal amount of experience. I had two certifications in the same field, higher SAT scores, and many hours of volunteer work at my high school performing the required duties (Network technician work). I couldn't get shit. The best offer I got was an unpaid internship. Woopdee fucking doo. Well, I can't do that; I have to work 40 hours a week and goto school both because my family needs me.

Now it's flipped. I just got a job as a personal trainer without a certification or experience. How? I got a hookup through someone I know, a previous co-worker.

Stop being a greedy fuck. I'm sure you work hard for your money, but so do poor people. They just happen to live in a world where people are allowed to be paid wages that couldn't pay the rent for a fucking cardboard box. Not everyone can work white collar jobs. What if 100% of the population had PhDs? They wouldn't all get a chance to use them. The white collar jobs would be saturated, and someone needs to build the houses, fix the cars, and clean the goddamned toilets. I have worked with people who had masters degrees, and they were dumping the shitter and loading the bags on airplanes with me. Why? They got laid off and were unable to find another job. Not that they didn't try, but everything is not as easy as you make it out to be.

The funny thing is look how well socialism is working in France right now.
Do we really want to look like that in 50 years? The citizens of France are softer and lazier than we are. They have an entire class of foreigners doing the labor jobs, because socialism has made the country to weak to do their own shitjobs so they brought in other people to do it for them. Now, the worker class is rebelling against their system and there isn't shit they can do about it. The same thing is going to happen to use if we don’t start enforcing our borders better, but that is a different issue all together.

Look how well capitalism is working for the USA. We are trillions of dollars in debt and totally unable to balance our budget. Over 1/4 of our 2.2 trillion dollar anual budget goes to pay just the interest on our national debt. We create the illusion that we're doing well, but we're not. People are dipping into their savings for the first time in years, social security is looking incredibly unstable in the future, and we have no healthcare for a large chunk of our citizens. Yeah, we're the greatest.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

No, but it certainly puts you at a disadvantage. A moron with out of control behavior and horrible business sense like George Bush would probably be a shoe shiner if not for daddy.

Someone got pwned.

Originally Posted by CowPimp

To say it has no bearing is ridiculous. Wealthy parents can afford a better education, a more nurturing environment for child, etc. Compare a family where there is a full time stay at home mother to a family where both parents work two jobs to support their children, and the child has to learn to stay home by themselves at the age of 5. You don't think that has any effect on the development of the child? It's easy to speculate that the child could've done X or Y when you've never been in that situation.

I had already rephrased that in the previous post. Yes, it does have a bearing on your success.

Again, it's easy to speculate from afar. A lot of times the parents do push their children, but they have a harder time coping with the stressors of a more impoverished lifestyle. As well, the parents don't often have the time to devote to their children, like the stay at home mother in a well off family. Are there scenarios in the world such as those you are mentioning? Certainly, but there are just as many where the circumstances of life play a larger factor than you are letting on.

So at what point do people take responsibility for their actions? "It’s not my fault; my parents didn't spend enough time with me." "It’s not my fault, my parents were poor". I see your point Cowpimp, but I don't agree with it. I think you should be accountable for your actions or lack of action in your financial future. It might require not knocking up some ho before you are in good enough financial shape to raise a kid. It might mean establishing a career before getting married. It might require a little extra work and sacrificing a little fun for a sound future later. I will just come out a say it, I am fucking pissed that I have had to work 40+ hours a week for the last 5 fucking years to pay for college while every friend I have has either pal grants, or parents paying for school. They have had the time of their life, and I have been beating my head against the wall trying to balance work and school without losing my mind. It is so fucking hard to work an 8 hour day then come home to pull an all nighter to be prepared for exams the next morning. Maybe my bitterness has turned me into a selfish bastard, but I have no pity for those who don't prepare for their future. My parent’s both worked, and didn't get to spend that much time with me, but you know what? I knew I was going to get my assed beat if I came home on report card day with failing grades. How fucking hard is that? "Kids make A's and B's and you won't get the shit beat out of you on report card day."
I think my dad was an asshole for how hard he was on me a lot of times, but I thank god he instilled in me a work ethic and understanding of the importance of an education. I will be pretty fucking surprised if I can't land a good job with a BS in Computer Sciences. I haven't even graduated, and I already have 2 companies here in Mobile that told me they want me to come to work for them as soon as I graduate.

For the most part? You're just talking out of your ass. Let's be honest. Neither one of us know the percentage of people that fail as a result of poor parenting or as a result of a lack of the ability to parent sufficiently because of their living situation.

Ok, I am making an assumption here and I could be wrong, because I don't know the percentage, because it would be impossible to ever learn the percentage. So, you can only make an educated guess at this point, and that is what I did.

Because they need the money. If they have more discretionary income, then they can buy more things from rich corporations. Why give tax breaks to the rich? What the fuck do they need the money for? Golden toilet seats? I'm talking the top 1% richest people in the country, who recent tax cuts have funneled plenty of funds to. Fuck them, they don't need the help.
I wasn't suggesting giving the tax breaks to the top 1%. I was suggesting giving the tax breaks to the middle class. I think the people making between 40 thousand and 120 thousand need a fucking break.

I wasn't suggesting giving the tax breaks to the top 1%. I was suggesting giving the tax breaks to the middle class. I think the people making between 40 thousand and 120 thousand need a fucking break.

Oh yeah, it's just that easy to go back to school and fix your life. Just like that, snap my fingers, poof it's done. Give me a fucking break. It takes time, suffering in the grips of massive debt, and an incredible amount of stress. Not to mention a 4 year degree doesn't get you shit anymore.

I know all too well what it takes. I have been doing it for 5 years. I almost lost it a few times too. You get burnt out eventually. You wake up, go to class for 4 hours, then rush to work, then work for 5 hours or more, then go back to school for your night classes, then go home and do homework for 4 hours, then work on weekends to make a little extra cash to pay your bills, then catch-up on your school work that you fell behind on during the week. By that time you only have 6 hours to sleep before you have to do it all over again tomorrow. I think it sucks. You do this long enough and you are more than prepared for the real world, and you lose a little bit of you soul in the process. I am of the opinion that if I have to do this shit to get ahead in life, fuck everybody else. I paid my dues and it is time for me to reap the rewards. "Oh whets that, you failed out of school because you ditched class too much?" "Oh, that’s too bad; can I get fries with that?"

It's all about connections. I have a friend who got a job making 40K a year right out of high school with no certifications and a very minimal amount of experience. I had two certifications in the same field, higher SAT scores, and many hours of volunteer work at my high school performing the required duties (Network technician work). I couldn't get shit. The best offer I got was an unpaid internship. Woopdee fucking doo. Well, I can't do that; I have to work 40 hours a week and goto school both because my family needs me.

Ok, I agree that connections have a big part in success. That just means that you might have to change things about your life or even people you know and hang out with to get ahead. I do not hang around losers. I have no respect for them, and I can't be friends with someone which I do not respect. My friends can count on me for anything, and I can count on them. My friends are all ambitious and intelligent and one day I might need a friend to hire my kid. One day they might need me to pull strings to get their kid into a company. That is just how things work and you know this Cowpimp.

Now it's flipped. I just got a job as a personal trainer without a certification or experience. How? I got a hookup through someone I know, a previous co-worker.

So are you saying that that person recommended you just by the fact that they knew you? It wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the person knew you were an intelligent and competent worker before they recommended you would it? It wouldn't have anything to do with you displaying good work ethic in the presence of that person would it? If you were a worthless loser, that person would not have stuck their neck out for you. That in itself shows that people make their own success. The things that you do come back to you. If you are a dumbass that never makes good impressions on people, then you will have a really hard fucking time getting your foot in the door, but if you are someone that shows that you are ambitious and willing to work hard, you will eventually impress the right people.

Stop being a greedy fuck. I'm sure you work hard for your money, but so do poor people. They just happen to live in a world where people are allowed to be paid wages that couldn't pay the rent for a fucking cardboard box. Not everyone can work white collar jobs. What if 100% of the population had PhDs? They wouldn't all get a chance to use them. The white collar jobs would be saturated, and someone needs to build the houses, fix the cars, and clean the goddamned toilets. I have worked with people who had masters degrees, and they were dumping the shitter and loading the bags on airplanes with me. Why? They got laid off and were unable to find another job. Not that they didn't try, but everything is not as easy as you make it out to be.

Yeah, it is a damn shame that the world isn't perfect. Life isn't fair. I believe that people have three options really.
A) Be happy with what you have.
B) Work harder to improve your situation.
C) Kill yourself

I am choosing option B, but C is still a possibility.