Thread: How Many IM Gun Owners

Yeah Gunbroker, and occasionally on ar15.com you can find incredible deals; and ussually good ones as well(Not just on ARFs)
Edit: Wow, I hadnt checked for .338 win mag in general.. theres alot of nice stuff there around $500..

You can get a collectors license here

And then you can buy pistols older than 1898
and rifles older than 1948 for dirt cheap

With no checks involved, not even an instant check
I got a few cool WWII guns like that

Originally Posted by Chain Link

No no, not a USP .45, a USP .45 Tactical. It has better accuracy, and a threaded O-Ring to equip a silencer with. It also has a match grade trigger and raised sights for use with the silencer.


Jeez, Id have expected you to ask what the Next generation body armor piercing capable FiveseveN was for, but I was wrong.


For the record- The FivenseveN for unmatched accuracy, range, and a 20 round clip so I wouldnt be putting strain on the spring with like 7 rounds. Its also light, slim, and damn cool looking which is a plus in my book
Granted the AP ammo is not civvie legal, and You would have to custom load your own to get it to the armor piercing level. Its also a weak round, claimed similar to 9mm, but I also hear otherwise.

The USP .45 Tactical is for the confidence of hitting what you intend to break, or kill. With the great accuracy, and power of the .45 round you only need one round to stop your TV from floating away in the dark of the night(LOL, Chain Link, prepare to be flamed!) The silencer could be damn useful if I ever decide to go target shooting in my back yard; I can just put the targets on the wall of my neighbors house(away from windows, wouldnt want to break those)

And the M4gery is for fighting off the bloody king of England.

For those most part my attraction to guns is the same as someone's attraction to a '59 mustang or some other unreasonable expensive and kind of ugly car. Im more of a collector than a shooter; But Im also a good shooter. I also have a concrete safe built into my house so I dont have to worry about someone else stealing the and using them for purposes I wouldnt enjoy(esp against me )
And in the unlikely case some sick fuq goes off shooting people in my neighborhood, it would be nice to see a headline read,"Armed civilian owns *randomassholecriminal*" But that will never happen

Ah that's better!
What do I care what you need your armor piercing rounds for? that's between you and the S.W.A.T. team

But I would like to know more about that FivenseveN or something, because You need to hit your target not empty your clip and left without or need to put a new clip in.

And the headline would say:"Group af terrorists was slaughtered by a group of militia, witch later was found out to be only one man called "Chain link", the man killed every terrorist with his small arsenal" or something like this.

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Have you been here

I have found a couple of nice things on this site -

He chain, what the fuck do you need the berret for man? that's a .50 man, you'll blow your own shoulder of man.
Hey you know witch I like? The Heckler an Koch G3A3! No it's not a sniper but because of it's accurate it's like the ar15 great to modify and not "long distance" but you'll get a nice clear shot in 0-800 metrs and knowing that U could use it as an assault riffle as well makes it a perfect combo between accuracy and power.
You could be sniping one moment and getting up and assaulting a house next, but no you can't compare it to real sniper riffles but I love this one man!!
I've got two modified the fuck out of one and left the other one clean. well clean I still taped it(guns are not legal here), double clipped it, and a 200-300mtr scope on it, but the other one is so modified that even the laser is modified!
I mist say it's nice to see so many people with a lot of knowledge on guns

Here this picture the one one the top is the g3a3 and it's modified with a granade launcher(!) it looks small but It's quite long actually.


Here this is one I have also but I don't like it because it doesn't lay nice onto your shoulder. It's the fourth one from the bottem it's called a g36k but this pic is from a g36kE I don't know what it means but it looks the same.



Here's a nice one I found but you can't buy this one it's for the marine corps, I'll copy the text that goes with it.

Rare prototype variant of the MSG90 made for the Marine Corps, but not adopted. Called the MSG90 DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle) They requested iron sights, and a flash hider.

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

.338 is brutal

I use custom 250 grain sierra game king boattail rounds for my .338
They are the perfect balance of speed, range and accuracy - IMO

I don't think the 30-06 is as sensitive to loads,
however I never experimented with it
I use military ammo in mine -

http://glocktalk.com/sitemap/topic/410970-1.html

what is your name on glock talk ? I post there too

Originally Posted by Witmaster

you're kidding, right?

Nope it is against the law to have Amo or any type of hand guns or rifles here. Although a lot of the ranchers to have 22 rifles to protect against coyotes. Even the police are forbidden to possess hand guns. The are issued to them at there place of business and checked back in at the end of there shift.


PT

H&K...

The G3 variations of H&K use 7.62x51 nato (.308)

The G36 variations use 5.56x45 nato (rem.223)

The difference between the 36's
36 is the original H&K german army variation...
the 36k is the 38mm shorter paratrooper version...
the 36ke is the spanish variation used by spain, but built to german specs (supposedly)

Also on the g3's... spain has it's own version (cetme)
Spain also handed off the specs for the G3 to Brazil
who now makes the Imbel rifles...
there are also 2 US manufacturers that I know of...

As I hear it, the original G3 Cetme rifles, owned by germany
but manufactured in spain on german made tooling, supervised by
experienced german engineers, are the best made rifles you can get!!
I have no idea what the marking or serial #'s of these guns are

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

Nope it is against the law to have Amo or any type of hand guns or rifles here. Although a lot of the ranchers to have 22 rifles to protect against coyotes. Even the police are forbidden to possess hand guns. The are issued to them at there place of business and checked back in at the end of there shift.


PT

That just amazes me. Is it that way all across Mexico or just in the Baja area where you live?

Nevermind... I found my answer. I thought this article was interesting.

Mexico smuggles a illegal aliens across our borders. We smuggle illegal weapons across theirs.

The Mexican Border should be your next duty assignment WIT

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

H&K...

The G3 variations of H&K use 7.62x51 nato (.308)

The G36 variations use 5.56x45 nato (rem.223)

The difference between the 36's
36 is the original H&K german army variation...
the 36k is the 38mm shorter paratrooper version...
the 36ke is the spanish variation used by spain, but built to german specs (supposedly)

Also on the g3's... spain has it's own version (cetme)
Spain also handed off the specs for the G3 to Brazil
who now makes the Imbel rifles...
there are also 2 US manufacturers that I know of...

As I hear it, the original G3 Cetme rifles, owned by germany
but manufactured in spain on german made tooling, supervised by
experienced german engineers, are the best made rifles you can get!!
I have no idea what the marking or serial #'s of these guns are

I don't have that modified rifle, but I have the G3 and the G36 so I know some shit on them.

Hey what you think on them new shit:



The first underwater pistol HK P11







Here check this:Front view of P11 pistol showing all five chambers fired. The unit must now be sent back to HK Germany for reloading/resealing.



Very basically, the U.S. military wanted a weapon system that mates a conventional rifle with a 20mm "cannon" that is capable of delivering a special munition that can be user set to explode with an airburst at user determined and programmable ranges. What looks like an M16 underneath should give you pause to look closer. It is a variant of the HK G36K, with an M16 magazine adapter! This is something that HK promises for the conventional G36 series as well. The selector switch and the flash hider are the G36K variant giveaway.

Proof once again that when the military needs something on the cutting edge, HK is the logical choice. A bargain price for the military? $10,000 to $12,000 each, and $25-$30 a pop for the 20mm ammunition. The military plans an initial order of 45,000 units, and for them to be fielded with special units by 2009. The U.S. Military has given the OICW the designation M29.

This some modifying right here!! it's for the new G3(6)

Hey ChainLink, what's your take on this gun:http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...ls/SW_4506.htm ?


As for hunting, I'll call it a sport when the prey has a the chance to kill the hunter.

Now that's a spectator sport!

Originally Posted by cfs3

Hey ChainLink, what's your take on this gun:http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...ls/SW_4506.htm ?


As for hunting, I'll call it a sport when the prey has a the chance to kill the hunter.

Now that's a spectator sport!

Smith & Wesson sux the big donkey dick...
Fucking Commie sellout faggots -

Don't Buy their shit -

Originally Posted by THEUNIT(XXL)

The first underwater pistol HK P11

Maintenance Divers from California
Have been using a standard Glock 21 (.45)
for shark defence since the mid 90's

Glock does much of it's functionality testing
in a saltwater ENV

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Smith & Wesson sux the big donkey dick...
Fucking Commie sellout faggots -

Don't Buy their shit -

Can you elaborate?

March 17, 2000
Web posted at: 9:37 p.m. EST (0237 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Smith & Wesson, the nation's largest gun manufacturer, agreed Friday to a landmark legal settlement in which the company will make several changes in its gun marketing, manufacturing and design practices.

Calling the settlement a "major victory for America's families," President Bill Clinton said the agreement "says that gun makers can and will share in the responsibility to keep their products out of the wrong hands. And it says that gun makers can and will make their guns much safer without infringing on anyone's rights."

The Connecticut-based company has agreed to include child safety locks, ensure background checks both at retail stores and gun shows and take so-called ballistic fingerprints of its guns, among other provisions. In exchange, state and local governments will drop pending lawsuits against the company, and the federal government will not file suit, as it had said it would in December 1999 unless a settlement could be reached.

The accord does not affect suits pending against the nation's other gun manufacturers, but the president added that he hoped it would encourage other companies to respond in kind.

"The effort to reduce gun violence is not about politics," Clinton said. "It is about saving lives. This agreement shows we can get so much done when we find the courage to find common ground."

Smith & Wesson agreed to a "code of conduct" for future sales and distribution of handguns. In exchange, all pending or future suits at the state and local level against the company will be dismissed. The agreement does not affect current or future lawsuits with the nation's other gun manufacturers.

Among other items, the agreement requires the company to:

--Immediately begin selling all Smith & Wesson guns with locks.

--Build the locks into the weapon within two years.

--Ensure within two years that its guns cannot be fired by a child.

--Incorporate "smart gun technology" within three years ensuring that only an authorized user will be able to fire the weapon.

--Instruct dealers to not sell a gun until a criminal background check is completed -- even if it takes more than 72 hours under which the check must be completed by current law.

--Instruct dealers not to complete a gun show sale unless a background check is completed.

--Include a second, hidden serial number to help law enforcement trace guns.

--Work with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to develop a system in which every new gun is test fired and the results entered into a new ballistic, imaging system to trace casings found at crime scenes.

--Require gun purchasers to certify they have completed a firearm safety course.

The agreement caps a remarkable week in which Democrats in Congress have pushed hard on the issue of gun safety, and the National Rifle Association has tried to portray the Clinton Administration as lax in enforcing existing gun laws in a series of increasingly personal and bitter attacks by the group.

Smith & Wesson President and Chief Executive Officer Ed Shultz acknowledged that the agreement "will not be popular with everyone, but to us it makes sense and is the right thing to do." He added that it will allow ensure the future viability of the company.

Early reactions by to the announcement by the gun lobby proved Shultz right.

"It has taken the full weight of the federal government at taxpayer expense to put a stranglehold on one of the largest producers of a legal product in this country to force it to change its behavior," said John Velleco of the Gun Owners of America. The Springfield, Virginia-based lobbying group claims it has more than 200,000 members.

"The fact is, these anti-safety gun restrictions that the president is supporting will cost lives. They will hurt the ability of honest people to defend themselves. And that's the bottom line," said GOA executive director Larry Pratt.

Other gun groups sounded a similar theme. "It is a source of disappointment that Smith & Wesson representatives would elect to make this one-sided agreement with the Clinton Adminstration with no notification or consultation with the rest of the industry," said a statement issued by the National Shoot Sports Foundation Inc., which describes itself as the world's largest firearms trade organization.

And an NRA spokesman called the agreement "tantamount to back door blackmail," and predicted that the nation's other gun manufacturers will not follow suit and will continue to manufacture and sell guns the way they always have.

if its hunting in north america alone, and your not going for some nasty grizzly somewhere in alaska the 30-06 would be the best all around round for hunting.

and why the heck would the geneva convention specify what cal. you could use on humans? especially when we have grenades and such.

Originally Posted by cfs3

Hey ChainLink, what's your take on this gun:http://www.kitsune.addr.com/Firearms...ls/SW_4506.htm ?


As for hunting, I'll call it a sport when the prey has a the chance to kill the hunter.

Now that's a spectator sport!

That specific gun Id recommend against to anyone, because
1). Its $790
2). Its double action only

The same model can be found with Single Action/Double Action, and for almost half the price, for instance.. - http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976625824.htm
That one does not have the adjustable sights, which id count as a minus.. Even my cheap walmart c02 gun has adjustable sights.
having a 5" barrel, its too big to be used for concealed carry in most cases, which makes having a single stack 8 round magazine pointless.
The model has few mods available, and was discontinued in 1999, so replacement parts will be/become scarce, and expensive.

Id say its really a collectors piece.. Due to lack of features, and being discontinued. If its a gun you fall in love with, then try to find it with SA/DA, and adjustable sights. Also try not to spend over $550 on it, in great/new condition(Heck, if you can confirm the one above is SA/DA its not a half bad deal itself.. most people dont use the adjustable sights anyways :P )- If you find that Id say its not a half bad deal.
In the end it comes down to taste, not only for the looks of the gun, but the feel of it also(my local shop lets people play with everything.. Desert Eagles weight like 7 lbs! ) The more comfortable you are with a specific gun, the more effective you'll be with it.. whether it be the at the range or self defense, IMO.
Id say browse around and see what else you can get for the same price in the same caliber. I couldnt even find reviews for the 4506.

Oh, and theres that part Monkey Man said about them being pussified. Obviously large lawsuits are a threat, and the Clintons can be scary(Hillary Clinton is still to date the only Politician Ive actually watched flat out, and blatantly lie. They all lie, I know, but I found it disgusting to have to sit through and watch.) Colt also has a bad rep After Donald Zilkha bought the company, as he was against civilian gun ownership, and financed "gun control" politicians.. Zilkha No long owns Colt though..(Heck, he never did, he owned Colt Manufacturing Incorporated... Conneticut owned the name,"Colt" as they left a large debt when they went bankrupt.)

On a side note, it was just the other day a friend and I were joking about starting a fund under PETA to buy, and equip Deer and other wildlife with bullet proof vests. The conversation then brought up some weird ass hunter who actually hunter over the internet with a net controlled camera and gun; which lead us to the idea of mounting rifles on the back of Deer(with bulletproof body armor) and letting people pay to man the guns over the net.. I dont think it would work out as wed be in jail, but it was a cool idea

Originally Posted by bio-chem

if its hunting in north america alone, and your not going for some nasty grizzly somewhere in alaska the 30-06 would be the best all around round for hunting.

and why the heck would the geneva convention specify what cal. you could use on humans? especially when we have grenades and such.

I have NO idea, I always found it retarded as if that round hits you just about anywhere you're gonna die very fast. Apparently its too gruesome and inhumane or something

Originally Posted by Chain Link

the idea of mounting rifles on the back of Deer(with bulletproof bodyarmor) and letting people pay to man the guns over the net..

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Maintenance Divers from California
Have been using a standard Glock 21 (.45)
for shark defence since the mid 90's

Glock does much of it's functionality testing
in a saltwater ENV

A standard glock 21 is capable of that? Id read it took a kit for a Glock 17 to do it..

Also A local merchant was advertising the HS2000(Which is the original, and twin of) The Springfield XD9 was also capable of firing, and cycling underwater.
I would definitely be interested in playing with that.. but then again I wonder.. Should a gunshot damn near deafen you in the water? Or perhaps the fact that water is a better medium also causes it to disperse better..

[QUOTE=Chain Link]
A standard glock 21 is capable of that? Id read it took a kit for a Glock 17 to do it..QUOTE]

I read a mag article on it moons ago...
When the Magazine people found out about it, they went down
and did an article, testing, and a full write-up,
to substantiate the rumors

Guns and Ammo maybe - -

Originally Posted by Tough Old Man

just the one between my legs. All other types are against the law to possess in Mexico

I thought Mexicos Gun law were very Texasish.

Originally Posted by Chain Link

That specific gun Id recommend against to anyone, because
1). Its $790
2). Its double action only

The same model can be found with Single Action/Double Action, and for almost half the price, for instance.. - http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976625824.htm
That one does not have the adjustable sights, which id count as a minus.. Even my cheap walmart c02 gun has adjustable sights.
having a 5" barrel, its too big to be used for concealed carry in most cases, which makes having a single stack 8 round magazine pointless.
The model has few mods available, and was discontinued in 1999, so replacement parts will be/become scarce, and expensive.

Id say its really a collectors piece.. Due to lack of features, and being discontinued. If its a gun you fall in love with, then try to find it with SA/DA, and adjustable sights. Also try not to spend over $550 on it, in great/new condition(Heck, if you can confirm the one above is SA/DA its not a half bad deal itself.. most people dont use the adjustable sights anyways :P )- If you find that Id say its not a half bad deal.
In the end it comes down to taste, not only for the looks of the gun, but the feel of it also(my local shop lets people play with everything.. Desert Eagles weight like 7 lbs! ) The more comfortable you are with a specific gun, the more effective you'll be with it.. whether it be the at the range or self defense, IMO.
Id say browse around and see what else you can get for the same price in the same caliber. I couldnt even find reviews for the 4506.

Oh, and theres that part Monkey Man said about them being pussified. Obviously large lawsuits are a threat, and the Clintons can be scary(Hillary Clinton is still to date the only Politician Ive actually watched flat out, and blatantly lie. They all lie, I know, but I found it disgusting to have to sit through and watch.) Colt also has a bad rep After Donald Zilkha bought the company, as he was against civilian gun ownership, and financed "gun control" politicians.. Zilkha No long owns Colt though..(Heck, he never did, he owned Colt Manufacturing Incorporated... Conneticut owned the name,"Colt" as they left a large debt when they went bankrupt.)

On a side note, it was just the other day a friend and I were joking about starting a fund under PETA to buy, and equip Deer and other wildlife with bullet proof vests. The conversation then brought up some weird ass hunter who actually hunter over the internet with a net controlled camera and gun; which lead us to the idea of mounting rifles on the back of Deer(with bulletproof body armor) and letting people pay to man the guns over the net.. I dont think it would work out as wed be in jail, but it was a cool idea

Thanks for the info ChainLink!

It's funny that you should mention the Desert Eagle. Back when I was 21, on a whim I went to the firing range. I walked up to the clerk and said that I'd like to shoot a gun. He asked me if I'd ever fired a gun before, to which I answered "no". He said, "I've got just the gun for you." Sure enough, it was a Desert Eagle. At the end of 200 rounds, he looked at my targets and said that I shot well.

Originally Posted by cappo5150

I have a MAK 90 Semi auto, Beretta 9mm, Bersa Thunder .380 and a Beretta .22

Is the Beretta 9mm a 92 or a couger
and the .22 a tomcat or a bobcat?

I had several guns in Texas, but when I moved to Hawaii I left them with my father, he died and my Step-Bitch(his wife) pawned or stole them. I'd really like my sawed off .410 w/ buckshot for perfect home defense and my fathers treasured 270 Win.

I'm sure you can carry a gun anytime you want in Mexico as long as you have 2 holsters....


one for the gun and one for the big roll of bribe money.