Thread: How Many IM Gun Owners

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

I read a mag article on it moons ago...
When the Magazine people found out about it, they went down
and did an article, testing, and a full write-up,
to substantiate the rumors

Guns and Ammo maybe - -

I'll never buy a Glock. They're not reliable.

I had a friend who lived in Queen Creek, AZ. His father is Irish and his mother is Japanese, but he looks like a short Mexican. We'll can him Steve.

He used to do enforcement for the meth dealers. Steve would go out and collect on any outstanding payments. One day he had to go collect from someone that he knew personally, and was a big wuss. So he wasn't too worried about collecting on him.

He shows up at the guy's house and after a few minutes of talking, the guys says he'll give him the money. Out of nowhere the guy whips out a Glock and tracked on Steve. Doing the only thing he could, he stepped into the guy. In desperation, the guy whipped the butt-end of the gun into Steve's head. The gun fell apart on contact. Steven then beat the crap out of the guy, took anything of value, and left.

Since the gun fell apart when he was pistol-whipped, Steve swore he'd never buy a Glock. He said they're unreliable.

Originally Posted by maniclion

I had several guns in Texas, but when I moved to Hawaii I left them with my father, he died and my Step-Bitch(his wife) pawned or stole them. I'd really like my sawed off .410 w/ buckshot for perfect home defense and my fathers treasured 270 Win.

I hope you dont have to use a sawed off in an apartment.
I have a mag set up with 15 hollow point in case some shit goes down inthe street, one set up with standard round for in apartment defense, and one with snap caps for practice. I sure hope I grab the right one in crunch time.

Glocks not reliable!?!? (Not the general info I recieved)

For Home D, I have my H&K USP45
it's setup with bee-safe frangible ammo
And I have an adapter with an m6 tac-lite & laser on it

If mr. dumass ever invaded my bedroom...
I also keep a remington 870 with dual pistol
grips and a ten shot mag
(not within reach of my bed, but close)...
























I'm always ready for
when they come. -

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I hope you dont have to use a sawed off in an apartment.
I have a mag set up with 15 hollow point in case some shit goes down inthe street, one set up with standard round for in apartment defense, and one with snap caps for practice. I sure hope I grab the right one in crunch time.

If shit goes down in my house I would prefer the .410 shotgun since even my gf could fire it if needed. Of course she is terrified of guns as most Hawaii born folks are, guns just aren't as common as they are on the mainland in fact the only guns she ever sees are the ones the police carry.

Originally Posted by THEUNIT(XXL)

I don't have that modified rifle, but I have the G3 and the G36 so I know some shit on them.

Hey what you think on them new shit:

Me Likes, It looks like a mix between the HK UMP, and G36.. Kind of like a G36 Carbine!

Originally Posted by THEUNIT(XXL)

Very basically, the U.S. military wanted a weapon system that mates a conventional rifle with a 20mm "cannon" that is capable of delivering a special munition that can be user set to explode with an airburst at user determined and programmable ranges. What looks like an M16 underneath should give you pause to look closer. It is a variant of the HK G36K, with an M16 magazine adapter! This is something that HK promises for the conventional G36 series as well. The selector switch and the flash hider are the G36K variant giveaway.

Proof once again that when the military needs something on the cutting edge, HK is the logical choice. A bargain price for the military? $10,000 to $12,000 each, and $25-$30 a pop for the 20mm ammunition. The military plans an initial order of 45,000 units, and for them to be fielded with special units by 2009. The U.S. Military has given the OICW the designation M29.

Man, I hope they dont try to outfit everyone with those. The 20mm 'nade launcher is neat as heck, sure.. and a few dollars is nothing when a soldier's life is on the line, but the actual,"rifle" itself underneath the laucher is like an SMG, the barrel doesnt look more than 10 inches.. If you detach the launcher it wouldnt be a half bad gun inner city, and esp close quarters, but it leavers medium and long range with alot to desire.. Im really interested in seeing one of those airburst grenades in action though. If they work like Im assuming from your description, I guess that would make up the medium range.. but the US armed forces will go broke, LOL! I wonder if the US will incorporate the FN F2000 as well

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm

As for the FN FiveseveN, This is the killer

http://www.impactguns.com/store/818513002509.html
It has several variants, but thats the basics; It uses a 5.7mmx28mm round, so its basically a small caliber magnum pistol round. Being a smaller round it gets more..um.. push from the same length barrel that a 9mm or .45 would get; it would be similar to almost doubling the barrel length of a .45 actually. And along with the extra barrel, it has that high amount of kick behind it from the long round. Another plus of the small round is the standard magazine capacity is 20 rounds, and its made with composite materials to minimize weight..
The recoil and sound have been claimed similar to a .22lr
The 5.7mm round is currently used only in the FiveseveN pistol, and FN P90 SMG,

http://www.impactguns.com/store/fn_p90.html
http://www.grohol.com/psypsych/wiki/FN_P90

Id have to agree that HK is the best source for a solid, dependable product, living up to their motto,"In a world of compromise, some dont."

But when you want the cutting edge best, FN is winning the Market. With the FiveseveN pistol , P90 SMG , F2000 Assault Rifle , FNP 9 Handgun(A cost effective 9mm) , FN303 Less Than Lethal Launcher , The Extremely High powered PGM modular Rifles , and wide array of high powered, highly effective military weapons(cant link directly on site, but- http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm)
The fill every need of the arms market. They even won the military contract to produce the US M16s in the 1990's, which was actually the cause of the invention of the M4 Carbine. Zilkha knew the civilian market hated him; without the military contract he might as well drink a gallon of diesel fuel.


Im shocked to hear you *may or may not* own firearms illegally. Are they completely outlawed in The Netherlands; or is it a matter of money, time, paperwork, and contacts?(Actually, those 4 thing can get you anything, rofl)
I like the G3 Rifles.. I like the G36 rifles even more.. Between the crappy US import laws, and the fact that HK just doesnt want to sell them to the US civvie market, we cant get them(Legally )

My friend Otto had to serve a mandatory like 9 months to Germany; and he picked(or was made to do, I dont know the specifics) the army.. he got to play with the G36s, and said they were incredible. He even stole a few plastic magazines among other things..

Us Gun laws are whacked though. We had a 10 year ban end last year the banned,"assault weapons" (Which were shown, and implied to be full automatics) the ban actually banned firearms which were used in less than 1% of firearm crime; and prohibited things from rifles such as bayonet lugs, grenade launcher(which were already illegal) and threaded barrels to equip silencers(despite silencers being legal!) Its all politics though.. The funny thing is, we can own .50bmg rifles, or for the right price, machine guns. However, the FN303 Less Than Lethal Launcher which is designed to incapacitate, but not kill, is not civilian legal.
I guess it helps prevent lawsuits

You guys crack me up -

Let me know when you get your hands
on those, so I can try them out -

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Glocks not reliable!?!? (Not the general info I recieved)

For Home D, I have my H&K USP45
it's setup with bee-safe frangible ammo
And I have an adapter with an m6 tac-lite & laser on it

I think I am going to get the M6 for my XD, though a guige rod laser would be nice, if I had an extra $400 to throw away, for a laser with no light.

I have never seen frangible rounds, I will pick up a box, they sound great for home.

For those who have also never heard
http://www.frangiblebullets.com/

Is the compensator on the USP fixed?

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I think I am going to get the M6 for my XD, though a guige rod laser would be nice, if I had an extra $400 to throw away, for a laser with no light.

I have never seen frangible rounds, I will pick up a box, they sound great for home.

For those who have also never heard
http://www.frangiblebullets.com/

OMG that makes the fragibles sound wussy -

The real reason pre-fragmented or the later frangible ammo was
so effective was that upon impact, the bullet fragments break into
various directions creating multiple wound paths, and causing
a nervous system shock effect

The shock effect and bleed out is supposed to cause an instant
or almost instant disabling of the target

lets get to the Strasbourg Tests...
I never found the test documentation but...
Frangible 9mm pistol ammo was supposedly tested on
mountain goats of the average weight as human males 160-180 lbs
in the European Alps...
They would shoot the goats and time how long it would take
for them to stop moving, calling this "disabling"
supposedly after they got the "disabling" time under 3 seconds
the bullets were ready for sale -

I bet a 410 full of buck shot to the face would stop anyone in under 2 seconds.

Originally Posted by Spitfire

If so what do you have?

.40 S&W 4003TSW
Beretta 96 Brigadier Inox

* both get loaded with Cor-Bon 135-grain JHP rounds

01' autococker.

Originally Posted by Chain Link

Me Likes, It looks like a mix between the HK UMP, and G36.. Kind of like a G36 Carbine!

Man, I hope they dont try to outfit everyone with those. The 20mm 'nade launcher is neat as heck, sure.. and a few dollars is nothing when a soldier's life is on the line, but the actual,"rifle" itself underneath the laucher is like an SMG, the barrel doesnt look more than 10 inches.. If you detach the launcher it wouldnt be a half bad gun inner city, and esp close quarters, but it leavers medium and long range with alot to desire.. Im really interested in seeing one of those airburst grenades in action though. If they work like Im assuming from your description, I guess that would make up the medium range.. but the US armed forces will go broke, LOL! I wonder if the US will incorporate the FN F2000 as well

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as41-e.htm

As for the FN FiveseveN, This is the killer

http://www.impactguns.com/store/818513002509.html
It has several variants, but thats the basics; It uses a 5.7mmx28mm round, so its basically a small caliber magnum pistol round. Being a smaller round it gets more..um.. push from the same length barrel that a 9mm or .45 would get; it would be similar to almost doubling the barrel length of a .45 actually. And along with the extra barrel, it has that high amount of kick behind it from the long round. Another plus of the small round is the standard magazine capacity is 20 rounds, and its made with composite materials to minimize weight..
The recoil and sound have been claimed similar to a .22lr
The 5.7mm round is currently used only in the FiveseveN pistol, and FN P90 SMG,

http://www.impactguns.com/store/fn_p90.html
http://www.grohol.com/psypsych/wiki/FN_P90

Id have to agree that HK is the best source for a solid, dependable product, living up to their motto,"In a world of compromise, some dont."

But when you want the cutting edge best, FN is winning the Market. With the FiveseveN pistol , P90 SMG , F2000 Assault Rifle , FNP 9 Handgun(A cost effective 9mm) , FN303 Less Than Lethal Launcher , The Extremely High powered PGM modular Rifles , and wide array of high powered, highly effective military weapons(cant link directly on site, but- http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm)
The fill every need of the arms market. They even won the military contract to produce the US M16s in the 1990's, which was actually the cause of the invention of the M4 Carbine. Zilkha knew the civilian market hated him; without the military contract he might as well drink a gallon of diesel fuel.


Im shocked to hear you *may or may not* own firearms illegally. Are they completely outlawed in The Netherlands; or is it a matter of money, time, paperwork, and contacts?(Actually, those 4 thing can get you anything, rofl)
I like the G3 Rifles.. I like the G36 rifles even more.. Between the crappy US import laws, and the fact that HK just doesnt want to sell them to the US civvie market, we cant get them(Legally )

My friend Otto had to serve a mandatory like 9 months to Germany; and he picked(or was made to do, I dont know the specifics) the army.. he got to play with the G36s, and said they were incredible. He even stole a few plastic magazines among other things..

I see the G36 in it but the UMP, no just the piece that you put against your shoulder.

The grenades are pretty fucking great(the 20mm's) they are not that big in explosion and therefor can be used in an urban environment, also you could take out several people at once, also because it has the normal gun under it, you can pop again if they walk on, but yeah it's not for outside the city it lacks real bad on the long distance and then you could pop of a 20mm round but that's also guessing where it will land, because it's not a rocket it's just a grenade, so it is launched but you will have to shoot it in a bow. I believe after 40 mtrs it starts to decent.
In The Netherlands it's not legal to own a gun after a few mofo's shut up a supermarket and some idiot cop shot and killed his whole family(I hated cop's before this but now I have a real reason)so now you need to be registered at a shooting range and you can't take your gun with you, Yeah I know it sucks but there are ways around this because, some time ago you could buy them without anything(papers, license) in Belgium, and with all the borders open it's a piece of cake to get your hands on some rifles and nine's. but the new shit, you can't get that.
I've got a friend that can take care of business, that's all that I will say, I don't want to create any problems for him.
But he made sure that I have the best shit out.
That's how I got the G3A3 and the G36K, I was thinking on getting a P90, The commando's here use that now, so then I'll have to get it to

Originally Posted by maniclion

I bet a 410 full of buck shot to the face would stop anyone in under 2 seconds.

These were body shots into the vital organs...

Most of the time the goats would run,
but later they could only take a step or two then drop

I also used to have a pic of some guys stateside who used 9mm
to kill large wild boar -

Found it... This is the stuff..

Check out the Boar and the teeny little 9mm they supposedly used for the shot-

Check out the pics of the damage shots in the gelatin, also very cool

Originally Posted by TheCurse

01' autococker.

I'm a gun owner. I have lots of stuff.

go ahead and laugh. but my autococker is a hardened piece of battle equipment. it has killed hundreds of people, including cops, military, even navy SeALS.

i have never seen a gun before (in real life) and you guys talk of it as a toy, shit this stuff is designed to take a person's life! what are the laws regarding guns in the states? and are you allowed to carry them around with you? (i know laws differ in different states)

Originally Posted by buildingup

i have never seen a gun before (in real life) and you guys talk of it as a toy, shit this stuff is designed to take a person's life! what are the laws regarding guns in the states? and are you allowed to carry them around with you? (i know laws differ in different states)

Come over to my house late tonight, and I'll show you!...

(Don't bother to knock)















Spot of tea?

Originally Posted by TheCurse

go ahead and laugh. but my autococker is a hardened piece of battle equipment. it has killed hundreds of people, including cops, military, even navy SeALS.

Whoa there big fella, nothing against your marker...
(I happen to own one as well)

eerm you know im a straight male? direct yours urges to somebody like minolee she likes it.

Originally Posted by TheCurse

01' autococker.

How many times have I spoken to you about your language!?

Originally Posted by Decker

How many times have I spoken to you about your language!?

Great sense of humour, i would have sniggered and made that joke when i was 12 years old!

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Whoa there big fella, nothing against your marker...
(I happen to own one as well)

fuck yea, autocockers rock! i dont play much anymore, but i used to be a serious paintball fiend. i think it is the best sport their is. i played a lot with san diego sherifs and highway patrols, and i used to get to play with navy seals at a training facility in san diego. me and my buddies would usually beat the seal teams .

Originally Posted by cfs3

I'll never buy a Glock. They're not reliable.

That is absolutely asinine. I have carried a glock model 22 for over 13 years. I currently have a model 22c, w/laser and it has never failed to fire. Although I may not recommend one for someone new to guns, it is one of the most reliable and accurate guns you can buy. Our guys went with PA's, .45's several years ago and I opted to keep my Glock.

Originally Posted by buildingup

i have never seen a gun before (in real life) and you guys talk of it as a toy, shit this stuff is designed to take a person's life! what are the laws regarding guns in the states? and are you allowed to carry them around with you? (i know laws differ in different states)

Poor boy!

Originally Posted by buildingup

Great sense of humour, i would have sniggered and made that joke when i was 12 years old!

Who rattled your fucking chain, douchebag?