The Federal Government...Genuis at work

goandykid · 09-02-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kbm8795

No, Pepper. What is pathetic is the idea that 50,000 people are still stranded in a major American city after this disaster, most without food or water supplies. What is pathetic is that the city, which has appealed for FIVE days for assistance, still has to rely on 1500 police officers and 200 National Guard troops to oversee 10,000 people at the Superdome. What is absolutely pathetic is how the director of FEMA JUST discovered that there are over 10,000 people waiting to be evacuated at the Convention Center without food, water, or adequate sanitation. They still don't have anything this morning.

The response from the federal government is disgraceful. Frankly, the governors of Mississippi and Louisiana should have accepted assistance from 30 countries that have now offered help without waiting for Condi Rice to come back from her shoe-shopping, Broadway play-attending vacation to "approve" the offers.

Homeland Security, my ass.

Thats one big touche.

goandykid · 09-02-2005, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

This is some funny stuff. Mixing some facts with comedy is entertaining...
Its funny but your post reminds me of how Bill O'Reilly does the same to bash the Democrats.....fight fire with fire....nice job.

You actually watch that crap Foreman?

busyLivin · 09-02-2005, 11:44 AM

I kind of like O'Reilly. Fair & balanced.

goandykid · 09-02-2005, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by busyLivin

I kind of like O'Reilly. Fair & balanced.

The closest I get to political television is the Daily Show.

TJ Cline · 09-02-2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

You actually watch that crap Foreman?

About twice a year just to make sure that I'm right about what a tool O'Rielly is.

maniclion · 09-02-2005, 12:43 PM

Even the man himself say's the respose is subpar:

For the first time, however, he stopped defending his administration's response and criticized it. ``A lot of people are working hard to help those who've been affected. The results are not acceptable,'' he said. ``I'm heading down there right now.''

It's not his fault but he is the leader of his administration so he has to take the flack for their shortcomings. If a ship runs aground the Captain has to take the blame even if he was asleep when it happened. What pissed me off is in a time of chaos he wanted to play word games with the media and "play dumb", his usual get out of jail free ticket, but it wasn't making things any better and infuriated me. That's just not how a true leader should act in a time of desperation, if John Wayne were president he would've been there the day after the storm.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 01:06 PM

The point that the Fed's repsonse has been unacceptable it a good one. Ranting and raving about Bush is what is absurd.

My problem is with KBM...what is a fairly good point gets lost in his childish Bush-bashing.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 01:08 PM

I had knee surgery on Wed so I have been at home watching TV for the last couple of days...let me say this...

CNN and Fox News are both ridiculously biased. CNN can find nothing good in the administration, Fox can find nothing wrong. It is sad that these two news outlets are about our only choices.

maniclion · 09-02-2005, 01:20 PM

Where is that GW Bush that stood high on the pile of rubble that was once a tower of the WTC 3 day's after the 9/11 incidents? I felt proud of him for an instant that day, he was in the thick of things rallying the rescue workers, handing out hope in words. Here it is 4 days after an entire coast line is ravaged, a city is drowning and he's sitiing pretty in a helicopter to finally get a "real" assesment of the damage. He should be waste deep in waders with cameras on him pleeing for anyone who can spare the time or money to get down there and help out.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 01:28 PM

I don't totally disagree with you, but this disaster is ongoing. The levees are still flooding. Also, 9-11 was a matter of a few city blocks, this is an entire city.

I am just saying that the scale of this thing is simply huge, of course there are going to be areas where the response is inadequate.

With that said, I do not understand why they can't get water, milk, food, etc to the folks at the convention center. It is not just the Feds...where is the Red Cross?

maniclion · 09-02-2005, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

I am just saying that the scale of this thing is simply huge, of course there are going to be areas where the response is inadequate.
Which I think should warrant an even stronger stance by the president, he should be making as many appearances on t.v/radio as possible calling for all available support to flood into that region of our country. He should be trying to get more aid than is feasibly necessary and it should have happened days ago.

With that said, I do not understand why they can't get water, milk, food, etc to the folks at the convention center. It is not just the Feds...where is the Red Cross?
Exactly, it's like our country is in shock. Someone needs to slap us in the face and wake us the F up. Other countries should just send people and supplies wheter they have the go ahead or not just as a sign of goodwill, it's going to take them awhile to get here anyhow which means they'll likely get federal approval in route and get here that much sooner.

MyK · 09-02-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

Shaddup or we'll pack up our ghetto peeps and send them your way. From what I can tell, they'd own London in about 5 hours and 37 minutes

yea right. no other nation in the world has been as dominant as the British Empire. your ghetto peeps couldn't do shit, maybe steal a few pairs of shoes! also, weren't the british the ones who sold them to you?

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MyK

yea right. no other nation in the world has been as dominant as the British Empire. your ghetto peeps couldn't do shit, maybe steal a few pairs of shoes! also, weren't the british the ones who sold them to you?

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 03:12 PM

Whats pathetic to me is that so many of these dumb asses stayed around after they were told to evacuate. Sure, its the old and helpless.

That must be the Gramps trying to sniper hospitals.

themamasan · 09-02-2005, 03:27 PM

I know it is not all Bush's fault. I think he has done a decent job until now. The only mistake he made is that he picked the wrong damn time to be President of the U.S. I mean September 11th to start things off. The war on terrorism (which will never really end), and then one natural disaster after another. It seems to me more than anything that the whole Bush administration is worn out and now they are "taking a nap".

They need to wake up.

Twigz · 09-02-2005, 04:57 PM

Last i heard no one wanted to get shoot and killed for giving water out to people. Next time you go to the grocery store shoot at the old person handing out samples. Then see if they come back to work the next day to hand out more.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:10 PM

I don't think you have to wait to go to the grocery store for water - just sit in line at the gas station.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

The point that the Fed's repsonse has been unacceptable it a good one. Ranting and raving about Bush is what is absurd.

My problem is with KBM...what is a fairly good point gets lost in his childish Bush-bashing.

Of course it's childish, which is something every conservative should very easily understand and relate to in this situation. As far as bashing Bush, that goes with the territory of being the President, which wingnuts certainly understood clearly during the Clinton years.

The obvious point is that the government neither had the equipment available or the manpower mobilized to deal with a deadly storm aimed at one of the most vital ports in this nation. If that doesn't warrant some responsibility by Homeland Security, all the stupid constant color-coded, duct-tape-house-wrapping memorandums are pretty much a waste of a $41 billion budget.

This isn't a promotion for some new network installment of Survivor: New Orleans - this happens to be a real life event involving thousands of Americans dying five days after a storm while an entire Administration dallies over vacation niceties.

The first remarks by the President on this situation, as a short introduction to a much larger speech defending his Iraq policy and comparing it to World War II, said more about praying than any sort of action. From the first moment out, he failed to realize that thousands of people on their rooftops WERE praying - for a damned boat.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:28 PM

president

conservatives

vacation

PRESIDENT

CONSERVATIVES

wing

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:31 PM

at/with eggs

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:32 PM

Here's some more interesting BLAH. . .

The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric power, repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in Mississippi damaged by Hurricane Katrina.

Halliburton subsidiary KBR will also perform damage assessments at other naval installations in New Orleans as soon as it is safe to do so.

KBR was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' levees.

That should cost the taxpayers an extra $100 billion. Apparently some things work pretty fast through the federal government after all.

Now what was that ya'll were saying about looters?

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:33 PM

Is that amount on paper? I'd like to see where its stated by a credible source. The $100 billion figure.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:37 PM

kbm plays fast and loose with the facts:

Quote:

"...was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' levees"

Bush-hating clouds judgement apparently. Ask Dan Rather.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:38 PM

and if you can't do that, stop being a lying ass bigot.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:38 PM

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3335685

so fucking owned

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:39 PM

What is a liberal to do in the Google age when their bull shit facts can be checked by any schlep with a computer.

maniclion · 09-02-2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kbm8795

Here's some more interesting BLAH. . .
Now what was that ya'll were saying about looters?

And like I mentioned in one of the other Katrina threads, shop owners/ small businesses will make outrageous insurance claims, hide half their inventory and say it was looted, etc. who's footing that bill? Us.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:40 PM

And just in case you want to threaten to sue me again... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot

and there are many people here who feel treated as such by you.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggs

president

conservatives

vacation

PRESIDENT

CONSERVATIVES

wing

I couldn't figure out if that reads like one of the President's remarks on this crisis or the attempted avoidance to questions about supplies asked of FEMA head Michael Brown.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eggs

Is that amount on paper? I'd like to see where its stated by a credible source. The $100 billion figure.

You need a reading comprehension course.

09-02-2005, 12:43 PM	#36
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,437 Photos: 10	Even the man himself say's the respose is subpar: For the first time, however, he stopped defending his administration's response and criticized it. ``A lot of people are working hard to help those who've been affected. The results are not acceptable,'' he said. ``I'm heading down there right now.'' It's not his fault but he is the leader of his administration so he has to take the flack for their shortcomings. If a ship runs aground the Captain has to take the blame even if he was asleep when it happened. What pissed me off is in a time of chaos he wanted to play word games with the media and "play dumb", his usual get out of jail free ticket, but it wasn't making things any better and infuriated me. That's just not how a true leader should act in a time of desperation, if John Wayne were president he would've been there the day after the storm. "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

09-02-2005, 01:06 PM	#37
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,543	The point that the Fed's repsonse has been unacceptable it a good one. Ranting and raving about Bush is what is absurd. My problem is with KBM...what is a fairly good point gets lost in his childish Bush-bashing. My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

09-02-2005, 01:08 PM	#38
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,543	I had knee surgery on Wed so I have been at home watching TV for the last couple of days...let me say this... CNN and Fox News are both ridiculously biased. CNN can find nothing good in the administration, Fox can find nothing wrong. It is sad that these two news outlets are about our only choices. My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

09-02-2005, 01:20 PM	#39
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,437 Photos: 10	Where is that GW Bush that stood high on the pile of rubble that was once a tower of the WTC 3 day's after the 9/11 incidents? I felt proud of him for an instant that day, he was in the thick of things rallying the rescue workers, handing out hope in words. Here it is 4 days after an entire coast line is ravaged, a city is drowning and he's sitiing pretty in a helicopter to finally get a "real" assesment of the damage. He should be waste deep in waders with cameras on him pleeing for anyone who can spare the time or money to get down there and help out. "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

09-02-2005, 01:28 PM	#40
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,543	I don't totally disagree with you, but this disaster is ongoing. The levees are still flooding. Also, 9-11 was a matter of a few city blocks, this is an entire city. I am just saying that the scale of this thing is simply huge, of course there are going to be areas where the response is inadequate. With that said, I do not understand why they can't get water, milk, food, etc to the folks at the convention center. It is not just the Feds...where is the Red Cross? My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

09-02-2005, 11:44 AM	#33
busyLivin Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,339	I kind of like O'Reilly. Fair & balanced.

09-02-2005, 03:12 PM	#44
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Whats pathetic to me is that so many of these dumb asses stayed around after they were told to evacuate. Sure, its the old and helpless. That must be the Gramps trying to sniper hospitals.

09-02-2005, 03:27 PM	#45
themamasan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 458	I know it is not all Bush's fault. I think he has done a decent job until now. The only mistake he made is that he picked the wrong damn time to be President of the U.S. I mean September 11th to start things off. The war on terrorism (which will never really end), and then one natural disaster after another. It seems to me more than anything that the whole Bush administration is worn out and now they are "taking a nap". They need to wake up.

09-02-2005, 04:57 PM	#46
Twigz Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 419 Photos: 4	Last i heard no one wanted to get shoot and killed for giving water out to people. Next time you go to the grocery store shoot at the old person handing out samples. Then see if they come back to work the next day to hand out more. ILLEGITIMIS CON CARBORUNDUM!! (don't let the bastards grind you down) I love vegetarians, they're a great source of lean protien!

09-02-2005, 06:10 PM	#47
kbm8795 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,367 Photos: 1	I don't think you have to wait to go to the grocery store for water - just sit in line at the gas station.

09-02-2005, 06:28 PM	#49
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	president conservatives vacation PRESIDENT CONSERVATIVES wing

09-02-2005, 06:31 PM	#50
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,543	at/with eggs My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

09-02-2005, 06:32 PM	#51
kbm8795 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,367 Photos: 1	Here's some more interesting BLAH. . . The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric power, repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in Mississippi damaged by Hurricane Katrina. Halliburton subsidiary KBR will also perform damage assessments at other naval installations in New Orleans as soon as it is safe to do so. KBR was assigned the work under a "construction capabilities" contract awarded in 2004 after a competitive bidding process. The company is not involved in the Army Corps of Engineers' effort to repair New Orleans' levees. That should cost the taxpayers an extra $100 billion. Apparently some things work pretty fast through the federal government after all. Now what was that ya'll were saying about looters?

09-02-2005, 06:33 PM	#52
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Is that amount on paper? I'd like to see where its stated by a credible source. The $100 billion figure.

09-02-2005, 06:38 PM	#55
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,543	http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3335685 so fucking owned My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

09-02-2005, 06:39 PM	#56
Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,543	What is a liberal to do in the Google age when their bull shit facts can be checked by any schlep with a computer. My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

09-02-2005, 06:40 PM	#58
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	And just in case you want to threaten to sue me again... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot and there are many people here who feel treated as such by you.

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