The Federal Government...Genuis at work

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

And like I mentioned in one of the other Katrina threads, shop owners/ small businesses will make outrageous insurance claims, hide half their inventory and say it was looted, etc. who's footing that bill? Us.

Manic - you are absolutely right about that.

KBM - please add how this too is W's fault.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kbm8795

You need a reading comprehension course.

And for you might I suggest either a lying or ethics course, or both?

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

kbm plays fast and loose with the facts:

Bush-hating clouds judgement apparently. Ask Dan Rather.

Look who is playing fast and loose about the facts. You might like to re-read the post.
Shall we practice?

"under a "construction capabilities" contract" - what does that statement mean? It's an ongoing contract to repair damages at naval facilities.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

And for you might I suggest either a lying or ethics course, or both?

Since I've had several ethics courses over the years, I might suggest again that you practice your reading comprehension skills. Try re-reading the sentence again, Egghead.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:49 PM

I'm still waiting for where the $100 billion dollar statement is going to be explained. Was it:

a) They were awarded a secret unknown contract.
b) God is going to pay them in cookies.
c) I have that in my back pocket to handle those bills.
d) It was a lie.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kbm8795

Look who is playing fast and loose about the facts. You might like to re-read the post.
Shall we practice?

"under a "construction capabilities" contract" - what does that statement mean? It's an ongoing contract to repair damages at naval facilities.

and this is looting how?

I guess since W caused the hurrican and the levee failure, he KNEW, in 2004 to make damn sure Haliburton got this contract.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:51 PM

Ooh, it could be taken another way, couldn't it.

Ambiguous writing... do they teach that course? I'd like to take it too.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:51 PM

Ok. . . you obviously need to go back and re-read the entire post again.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

Ooh, it could be taken another way, couldn't it.

Ambiguous writing... do they teach that course? I'd like to take it too.

I thought that was taught in Wingnuts 101.

maniclion · 09-02-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Manic - you are absolutely right about that.

KBM - please add how this too is W's fault.

Hey I'm a liberal you're supposed to tell me I'm wrong.

It's W's fault because water starts with W and that's what's causing most of the problems for NOLA.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kbm8795

Ok. . . you obviously need to go back and re-read the entire post again.

No, here's a summary (of many of your posts, I might add)
1. You state a fact. Blow it way out of proportion, draw ridiculous conclusions that impune the Bush administration.
2. Get called on the true facts
3. Retreat to a minor point that, while possibly true, does not come close to defending the allegations you were making.
4. act like we are dumb asses and can't read.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:53 PM

You're such a psycho little man with a complex. Dear god I hope nobody takes you seriously in real life

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:55 PM

Just out of curiosity Kbm... this laughing thing, do you get it alot wherever you go?

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Hey I'm a liberal you're supposed to tell me I'm wrong.

It's W's fault because water starts with W and that's what's causing most of the problems for NOLA.

You are not being unreasonable. At least not that I have seen or read.

We may disagree on how much blame W should get, but we agree that the Feds are sucking wind right now. Or at least were until this afternoon.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

and this is looting how?

I guess since W caused the hurrican and the levee failure, he KNEW, in 2004 to make damn sure Haliburton got this contract.

Actually, no. In fact, it looks like the second wingnut conservative group has weighed in with their intelligent design theory on the origin of this hurricane catastrophe:

Rev. Bill Shanks, pastor of New Covenant Fellowship of New Orleans, also sees God's mercy in the aftermath of Katrina -- but in a different way. Shanks says the hurricane has wiped out much of the rampant sin common to the city.

“New Orleans now is abortion free. New Orleans now is Mardi Gras free. New Orleans now is free of Southern Decadence and the sodomites, the witchcraft workers, false religion -- it's free of all of those things now," Shanks says. "God simply, I believe, in His mercy purged all of that stuff out of there -- and now we're going to start over again." ---Agape Press.

I'm so very relieved that Pat Robertson's "charity" organization, Operation Blessing, is listed as the third recommended contribution site for donors of hurricane relief on the official FEMA web site. As you'll recall, Pat is the patriot who recently advocated the assassination of the Venezuelan president (who just offered us disaster aid, by the way) and once called for the U.S. State Department to be nuked. No wonder federal assistance was so ineffective this week.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 06:58 PM

oh and
5) change the subject (switching to religion bashing is often advisable)

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 06:59 PM

Another thing that kinda bothers me about FEMA...

They stated that they knew about this scenario beforehand from that exercise they did last year or whenever it was.

If thats the case, and they had this scenario played out, shouldn't they have been a bit more aggressive in their getting New Orleans evacuated?

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

You're such a psycho little man with a complex. Dear god I hope nobody takes you seriously in real life

Why, you are saying this as if you have eyes in the back of your own head and notice the snickers as you walk through a room.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 07:00 PM

OMFG, did the religion thing just come up again?

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

Just out of curiosity Kbm... this laughing thing, do you get it alot wherever you go?

Um...actually, I've only heard laughter after interviews with wingnuts. But it never registers with them, somehow.

Pepper · 09-02-2005, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggs

OMFG, did the religion thing just come up again?

yep...the gays can't be far behind.

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

oh and
5) change the subject (switching to religion bashing is often advisable)

Actually, the connection was quite obvious. FEMA and Bush loves Pat, Pat hates the State Department and the president of Venezuela, Bush loves God and God appointed Bush, Bush's core religious groups are starting to place the blame for the hurricane. One big circle of love.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kbm8795

Why, you are saying this as if you have eyes in the back of your own head and notice the snickers as you walk through a room.

Wow, original and a quickie!

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

yep...the gays can't be far behind.

Um. . .the other conservative religious wingnut group already blamed the hurricane on the gays two days ago.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 07:10 PM

You show um Kbm!

kbm8795 · 09-02-2005, 07:16 PM

Ahhh...and another feather in the cap for our nation - apparently, a Spanish government minister was trapped in the Convention Center with all of the deaths, rapes, fights and lack of direction from all levels of our government: (translation from El Pais

The decl MP from the PSC, Lourdes Muñoz Santamaría, who, along with her family, is trapped in the Convention Center of New Orleans, has described the situation in the evacuation center, in which there are some 10,000 people, as “dramatic and without any organization whatsoever,” in a statement to CNN+. In a conversation with the press organization EFE, Muñoz insisted that “either they come and get us or I don’t know if we're going to get out of here.”

The deputy has denounced the lack of attention from American authorities: “There has been no water nor food for 24 hours.” Lourdes Muñoz reported that in the Convention Center there are people who were wounded in the avalanches (?) that took place last night. “The police passes by and the Army every once in awhile with a truck, but there is no organization here, there is no running water, we cannot drink or eat, and people are beginning to become dehydrated,” she indicated.

We should have let the mayor of New Orleans get those troops offered by El Salvador into the city pronto.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 07:20 PM

What was a foreign minister doing in New Orleans? I mean, damnit people... I could understand if you were a bit slow and perhaps uneducated, but why the hell would someone willingly stay there after the evacuation order had been given?

Somebody in the government needs to contact other countries and inform them that when our mayors, federal services issue an order for something like this, they would do well to follow it.

Boggles my mind

maniclion · 09-02-2005, 07:32 PM

With FEMA knowing the consequences of a major Hurricane in NOLA (it was number 1 in a list of the 3 most devastating disasters on their list) there should have been a federal effort to enforce evacuation on day -2. Doing the math that's 5 1/2 or by IRS math 6 day's total they've dropped the ball on this.

Eggs · 09-02-2005, 07:34 PM

FEMA definitely hasn't lived up to the quality that we'd expected of them, thats for sure.

**Prince** · 09-02-2005, 08:58 PM

I do not know what else it will take for you "Republicans" to realize and admit that Bush is incompetent. He has shown us over and over again.

Is he responsible for the hurricane? Of course not. Is he responsible for the lack of assistance the past 5 days? Absolutely!

He is the goddamn president of the united states. Do you not understand the power and responsibility that he has? Quit making excuses for the idiot.

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Pepper Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,543	oh and 5) change the subject (switching to religion bashing is often advisable) My Carb Cycling Progress - you can't hide from the numbers.

09-02-2005, 07:32 PM	#88
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,435 Photos: 10	With FEMA knowing the consequences of a major Hurricane in NOLA (it was number 1 in a list of the 3 most devastating disasters on their list) there should have been a federal effort to enforce evacuation on day -2. Doing the math that's 5 1/2 or by IRS math 6 day's total they've dropped the ball on this. "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

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09-02-2005, 06:49 PM	#65
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	I'm still waiting for where the $100 billion dollar statement is going to be explained. Was it: a) They were awarded a secret unknown contract. b) God is going to pay them in cookies. c) I have that in my back pocket to handle those bills. d) It was a lie.

09-02-2005, 06:51 PM	#67
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Ooh, it could be taken another way, couldn't it. Ambiguous writing... do they teach that course? I'd like to take it too.

09-02-2005, 06:51 PM	#68
kbm8795 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,367 Photos: 1	Ok. . . you obviously need to go back and re-read the entire post again.

09-02-2005, 06:53 PM	#72
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	You're such a psycho little man with a complex. Dear god I hope nobody takes you seriously in real life

09-02-2005, 06:55 PM	#73
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Just out of curiosity Kbm... this laughing thing, do you get it alot wherever you go?

09-02-2005, 06:59 PM	#77
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Another thing that kinda bothers me about FEMA... They stated that they knew about this scenario beforehand from that exercise they did last year or whenever it was. If thats the case, and they had this scenario played out, shouldn't they have been a bit more aggressive in their getting New Orleans evacuated?

09-02-2005, 07:00 PM	#79
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	OMFG, did the religion thing just come up again?

09-02-2005, 07:16 PM	#86
kbm8795 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,367 Photos: 1	Ahhh...and another feather in the cap for our nation - apparently, a Spanish government minister was trapped in the Convention Center with all of the deaths, rapes, fights and lack of direction from all levels of our government: (translation from El Pais The decl MP from the PSC, Lourdes Muñoz Santamaría, who, along with her family, is trapped in the Convention Center of New Orleans, has described the situation in the evacuation center, in which there are some 10,000 people, as “dramatic and without any organization whatsoever,” in a statement to CNN+. In a conversation with the press organization EFE, Muñoz insisted that “either they come and get us or I don’t know if we're going to get out of here.” The deputy has denounced the lack of attention from American authorities: “There has been no water nor food for 24 hours.” Lourdes Muñoz reported that in the Convention Center there are people who were wounded in the avalanches (?) that took place last night. “The police passes by and the Army every once in awhile with a truck, but there is no organization here, there is no running water, we cannot drink or eat, and people are beginning to become dehydrated,” she indicated. We should have let the mayor of New Orleans get those troops offered by El Salvador into the city pronto.

09-02-2005, 07:20 PM	#87
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	What was a foreign minister doing in New Orleans? I mean, damnit people... I could understand if you were a bit slow and perhaps uneducated, but why the hell would someone willingly stay there after the evacuation order had been given? Somebody in the government needs to contact other countries and inform them that when our mayors, federal services issue an order for something like this, they would do well to follow it. Boggles my mind

09-02-2005, 07:34 PM	#89
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	FEMA definitely hasn't lived up to the quality that we'd expected of them, thats for sure.