Bush represents every thing that is foul in our nation!

maniclion · 09-05-2005, 03:10 AM

Go ahead slay me make me a martyr.

TJ Cline · 09-05-2005, 04:09 AM

I love to bash G.W.B. but I also love to bash any multi millionaire+ who worships money and power.....so I love to bash most Presidents Republican and Democrat. America has a political and judicial system that is only fair for the extremely wealthy......and that is not a good system I.M.O.

buildingup · 09-05-2005, 05:34 AM

Your mum's bush represents every thing that is foul in your nation

lnvanry · 09-05-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I love to bash G.W.B. but I also love to bash any multi millionaire+ who worships money and power.....so I love to bash most Presidents Republican and Democrat. America has a political and judicial system that is only fair for the extremely wealthy......and that is not a good system I.M.O.

Yes, it's clearly not perfect, but it sure as hell beats any other system in the world. May be you and "buildinup" could just make fun of each other some more and that makes everything right

TJ Cline · 09-05-2005, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnvanry

Yes, it's clearly not perfect, but it sure as hell beats any other system in the world. May be you are

Really?????
Please explain all the "systems" in the 189 or so countries that belong to the United Nations.

lnvanry · 09-05-2005, 05:01 PM

WTF? I need less sarcasm...Do you really want to hear, b/c I do know a lot of them very well. I spent 3months in the EU headquaters in Brussels this summer. I quite a bit about European gov't and our own as well. Oh yea the U.N. is garbage considering its leaders were actually caught imbezzeling ove 100mill from Iraq funds for food. Good job Kofi Annan

TJ Cline · 09-05-2005, 05:06 PM

Yes I do....
If you are going to make that lame and typical comment that America is the best then prove it...

You have no idea of the 189+ governments in this world, and only a fool would claim to be able to define them all.....or understand them all.

Hell I bet you have no idea about 80% of them........and a quick Internet search isn't enough......you must have a clear understanding and knowledge of their political system as well as its history.

Good luck with that

Fujiama · 09-05-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lnvanry

Yes, it's clearly not perfect, but it sure as hell beats any other system in the world.

I disbelieve that!

god hand · 09-05-2005, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fujiama

I disbelieve that!

I see your from Germany. Maybe we should use the system your country use 60 years ago. Its so funny.................................

lnvanry · 09-05-2005, 05:24 PM

Actually I recieved a double B.A. in International business and Polysci of Africa, Asia, and Latin America at Illinois State University. I have studied abroad in France and Belgium. I also had an intern position for 3 months this summer. My knowledge base is pretty solid.

Our system is better for two main reasons:

1-We have always minimized corruption and maximized production. yes, we all know their is some degree of corruption, but that is all about perspective. (example is paying a customs agent 20Euro to put your paper work through...here that is illegal, but in Poland it is expected) Less corruption means more free. Our tax dollars actually get put back into the community instead of some one like the former king Zaire (now the Congo rep.) blatenly taking all foreign and domestic funds. Our gov't has to approve and publish its revenues and costs for the public....expcept classified aspects like the CIA. Less corruption promotes a free market....free market is the epidmey of who we are....Alsmost all of Europe does not have a free market. Most of Latin America and South America do not have free markets. Africa and the middle east have no free market what so ever.

2-Our system does what is best for our people. Yes we have made one clear mistake of slavery, but our Supreme Court makes great desicions. All of our wars were justified...including Vietnam.....even though it failed. Our intents are correct, b/c they are in the interest of people. Protecting your people is primary. Many many gov't do not look after their people (African nations, Syria, North Korea, Aghan, Ukraine.....anyway you get he point.

It's good to see an intellegent comment by you (I am not trying to sound like a dick either), b/c all I ever see from you is usually cracks on other people like "buildingup"....yes he is an idiot and the whole forum knows it.

TJ Cline · 09-05-2005, 05:28 PM

I didnt ask you to explain the American system.......or say why you think its so great.....

I asked you to explain the other 188+ countries in the world.....and why they are not better.....

maniclion · 09-05-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by god hand

I see your from Germany. Maybe we should use the system your country use 60 years ago. Its so funny.................................

Let me tell you something about Germany today...they are sucking up every renewable resource they can right now to the point that there is a worldwide shortage of solar electric panels. My company is currently six to nine months behind on orders because Germany buys them by the thousands weekly.

Do you know what this means? They will soon be so energy independent that while we are still relying on oil, coal, natural gas, LP, etc. they'll be laughing at us and not worrying about paying out their asses for price gouged resources when the supplies can't meet the demand.

god hand · 09-05-2005, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I didnt ask you to explain the American system.......or say why you think its so great.....

I asked you to explain the other 188+ countries in the world.....and why they are not better.....

Y dont you u tell us a system thats better bitch.

Fujiama · 09-05-2005, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by god hand

I see your from Germany. Maybe we should use the system your country use 60 years ago. Its so funny.................................

What are you talking about? I think Invanry talked about modern systems nowadays. You're talking about history. So you can open up a new thread about historical systems if you want to, so we can discuss the history of germany (in case you know something about it, what I don't really think).

TJ Cline · 09-05-2005, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by god hand

Y dont you u tell us a system thats better bitch.

Go to "the greatest country in the world" thread and look at all the info I posted about where America ranks in the world.......not even close to #1

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=49088 (The greatest Country in the world)

hell I will make it easy for you

min0 lee · 09-05-2005, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by god hand

I see your from Germany. Maybe we should use the system your country use 60 years ago. Its so funny.................................

Actually F.D.R.s new deal (Social security and welfare) was modeled after Germany's government....I believe it was from Von something...can't remember the guys name too well.

TJ Cline · 09-05-2005, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by god hand

Y dont you u tell us a system thats better bitch.

you will see it all here
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=52829 (god hand....training)

min0 lee · 09-05-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Actually F.D.R.s new deal (Social security and welfare) was modeled after Germany's government....I believe it was from Von something...can't remember the guys name too well.

Got it.

Otto von Bismarck, „Founder" of the German Empire

Quote:

Germany became the first nation in the world to adopt an old-age social insurance program in 1889, designed by Germany's Chancellor, Otto von Bismarck. The idea was first put forward, at Bismarck's behest, in 1881 by Germany's Emperor, William the First, in a ground-breaking letter to the German Parliament. William wrote: ". . .those who are disabled from work by age and invalidity have a well-grounded claim to care from the state."

Bismarck was motivated to introduce social insurance in Germany both in order to promote the well-being of workers in order to keep the German economy operating at maximum efficiency, and to stave-off calls for more radical socialist alternatives. Despite his impeccable right-wing credentials, Bismarck would be called a socialist for introducing these programs, as would President Roosevelt 70 years later. In his own speech to the Reichstag during the 1881 debates, Bismarck would reply: "Call it socialism or whatever you like. It is the same to me."

The German system provided contributory retirement benefits and disability benefits as well. Participation was mandatory and contributions were taken from the employee, the employer and the government. Coupled with the workers' compensation program established in 1884 and the "sickness" insurance enacted the year before, this gave the Germans a comprehensive system of income security based on social insurance principles. (They would add unemployment insurance in 1927, making their system complete.)

Eggs · 09-05-2005, 07:36 PM

Yeh, but current day Germany is really hurting... economically, and in lots of other ways.

The US does have a large degree of socialism built in.

Anyways, Foreman, I think he actually did address what he was saying in regards to the US being the best. All countries have their ups and downs... and living anywhere presents its own unique benefits and losses. Some certainly more so than others though.

kbm8795 · 09-05-2005, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lnvanry

Actually I recieved a double B.A. in International business and Polysci of Africa, Asia, and Latin America at Illinois State University.

Hmm...ISU - that's my hometown.

Eggs · 09-05-2005, 07:39 PM

lol, this function just brings so much practical enjoyment.

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bio-chem · 09-05-2005, 07:41 PM

which system works better then?

TJ Cline · 09-05-2005, 07:46 PM

Thats what I thought, just another dumb shit who talks out his ass and has 0 knowledge to back it up....

pathetic

Eggs · 09-05-2005, 07:47 PM

lol, their system is obviously better bio, cause Bush isnt their president... blah blah blah.

You know the drill

goandykid · 09-05-2005, 07:51 PM

Everything comes to an end. No political system can keep a large amount of people happy permanently. 500 years from now we'll have a Supreme Board of Directors or something.

Eggs · 09-05-2005, 07:53 PM

Yeah andy, its hard to tell... with technology increasing, large corporations having so much global power, etc... perhaps that is the reality people will face in 500 years.

The way the EU is spun about by unhappy members all the time its hard to believe the US was ever able to bring all its states together. Well, heres to who knows what in the future

goandykid · 09-05-2005, 07:58 PM

Well I'll be reasonably happy as long as we stay as far away from Orwell's 1984 as possible. I'll deal with Bush as long as the Thought Police don't get me

bio-chem · 09-05-2005, 08:07 PM

im really asking. which one is better and why? i admit i dont know the other 180 or so other countries systems out there so why wont someone enlighten me if they have a better example.

im going to start geographically when i think about how to narrow it down. out of eastern europe only england can hang with us, and i still think our system is an improvement on theirs and on a much larger scale even (economically, politically etc.) nothing in western europe can be counted as well in my opinion because of the turmoil that has happened in the region in the last 100 years with the last 2 world wars and the fact the boundries of each country have been shifting to the point new countries have formed and others have ceased to exist. i need to cut out anything in africa as well do to the wars, carnage, genocide, etc... in asia i liked hong kong until 1999, and tiawan im a big fan of except they are not officaily recognised and all. the polynesian islands i think we can rule out as well. so what does that leave us? Canada? central and south america? give me the US with all of its warts and it is still the best system out there

min0 lee · 09-05-2005, 08:20 PM

500 years? Do you guys think this empire will last that long.

busyLivin · 09-05-2005, 08:22 PM

History will remember him as one of the greats...

09-05-2005, 07:51 PM	#25
goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,378	Everything comes to an end. No political system can keep a large amount of people happy permanently. 500 years from now we'll have a Supreme Board of Directors or something. You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

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goandykid Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,378	Well I'll be reasonably happy as long as we stay as far away from Orwell's 1984 as possible. I'll deal with Bush as long as the Thought Police don't get me You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

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09-05-2005, 03:10 AM	#1
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,437 Photos: 10	Bush represents every thing that is foul in our nation! Go ahead slay me make me a martyr. "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

09-05-2005, 04:09 AM	#2
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,545	I love to bash G.W.B. but I also love to bash any multi millionaire+ who worships money and power.....so I love to bash most Presidents Republican and Democrat. America has a political and judicial system that is only fair for the extremely wealthy......and that is not a good system I.M.O.

09-05-2005, 05:34 AM	#3
buildingup Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,101	Your mum's bush represents every thing that is foul in your nation

09-05-2005, 05:01 PM	#6
lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tucson Posts: 3,438 Photos: 16	WTF? I need less sarcasm...Do you really want to hear, b/c I do know a lot of them very well. I spent 3months in the EU headquaters in Brussels this summer. I quite a bit about European gov't and our own as well. Oh yea the U.N. is garbage considering its leaders were actually caught imbezzeling ove 100mill from Iraq funds for food. Good job Kofi Annan

09-05-2005, 05:06 PM	#7
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,545	Yes I do.... If you are going to make that lame and typical comment that America is the best then prove it... You have no idea of the 189+ governments in this world, and only a fool would claim to be able to define them all.....or understand them all. Hell I bet you have no idea about 80% of them........and a quick Internet search isn't enough......you must have a clear understanding and knowledge of their political system as well as its history. Good luck with that

09-05-2005, 05:24 PM	#10
lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Tucson Posts: 3,438 Photos: 16	Actually I recieved a double B.A. in International business and Polysci of Africa, Asia, and Latin America at Illinois State University. I have studied abroad in France and Belgium. I also had an intern position for 3 months this summer. My knowledge base is pretty solid. Our system is better for two main reasons: 1-We have always minimized corruption and maximized production. yes, we all know their is some degree of corruption, but that is all about perspective. (example is paying a customs agent 20Euro to put your paper work through...here that is illegal, but in Poland it is expected) Less corruption means more free. Our tax dollars actually get put back into the community instead of some one like the former king Zaire (now the Congo rep.) blatenly taking all foreign and domestic funds. Our gov't has to approve and publish its revenues and costs for the public....expcept classified aspects like the CIA. Less corruption promotes a free market....free market is the epidmey of who we are....Alsmost all of Europe does not have a free market. Most of Latin America and South America do not have free markets. Africa and the middle east have no free market what so ever. 2-Our system does what is best for our people. Yes we have made one clear mistake of slavery, but our Supreme Court makes great desicions. All of our wars were justified...including Vietnam.....even though it failed. Our intents are correct, b/c they are in the interest of people. Protecting your people is primary. Many many gov't do not look after their people (African nations, Syria, North Korea, Aghan, Ukraine.....anyway you get he point. It's good to see an intellegent comment by you (I am not trying to sound like a dick either), b/c all I ever see from you is usually cracks on other people like "buildingup"....yes he is an idiot and the whole forum knows it.

09-05-2005, 05:28 PM	#11
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,545	I didnt ask you to explain the American system.......or say why you think its so great..... I asked you to explain the other 188+ countries in the world.....and why they are not better.....

09-05-2005, 07:36 PM	#19
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Yeh, but current day Germany is really hurting... economically, and in lots of other ways. The US does have a large degree of socialism built in. Anyways, Foreman, I think he actually did address what he was saying in regards to the US being the best. All countries have their ups and downs... and living anywhere presents its own unique benefits and losses. Some certainly more so than others though.

09-05-2005, 07:39 PM	#21
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	lol, this function just brings so much practical enjoyment. This message is hidden because kbm8795 is on your ignore list.

09-05-2005, 07:41 PM	#22
bio-chem Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 5,774 Photos: 14	which system works better then?

09-05-2005, 07:46 PM	#23
TJ Cline Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,545	Thats what I thought, just another dumb shit who talks out his ass and has 0 knowledge to back it up.... pathetic

09-05-2005, 07:47 PM	#24
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	lol, their system is obviously better bio, cause Bush isnt their president... blah blah blah. You know the drill

09-05-2005, 07:53 PM	#26
Eggs Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,008	Yeah andy, its hard to tell... with technology increasing, large corporations having so much global power, etc... perhaps that is the reality people will face in 500 years. The way the EU is spun about by unhappy members all the time its hard to believe the US was ever able to bring all its states together. Well, heres to who knows what in the future

09-05-2005, 08:07 PM	#28
bio-chem Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 5,774 Photos: 14	im really asking. which one is better and why? i admit i dont know the other 180 or so other countries systems out there so why wont someone enlighten me if they have a better example. im going to start geographically when i think about how to narrow it down. out of eastern europe only england can hang with us, and i still think our system is an improvement on theirs and on a much larger scale even (economically, politically etc.) nothing in western europe can be counted as well in my opinion because of the turmoil that has happened in the region in the last 100 years with the last 2 world wars and the fact the boundries of each country have been shifting to the point new countries have formed and others have ceased to exist. i need to cut out anything in africa as well do to the wars, carnage, genocide, etc... in asia i liked hong kong until 1999, and tiawan im a big fan of except they are not officaily recognised and all. the polynesian islands i think we can rule out as well. so what does that leave us? Canada? central and south america? give me the US with all of its warts and it is still the best system out there

09-05-2005, 08:22 PM	#30
busyLivin Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,339	History will remember him as one of the greats...