Thread: Douchebag Bush Haters

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

haha, me and Topolo have always poked at each other. I'm always making fun of him for being a rampant homosexual and he's always making fun of me because he thinks I'm really not his father despite what his mother says.

How can you be my father? Everyone knows you can't get an erection.

Originally Posted by topolo

How can you be my father? Everyone knows you can't get an erection.

ssshhhh, quiet son. Your father will tell you all about the birds and the bees when your a little older.

Originally Posted by topolo

did you even read the article that started this thread?

No. But GoCocks told me that you went to Clemson.

Originally Posted by kbm8795

No. But GoCocks told me that you went to Clemson.

Uh, no I didn't. It's Pepper that went to clemson and I just give him a hard time.

Originally Posted by kbm8795

I'm gonna stick up for those state and local officials for now. I don't know any American city that has ever shown a workable plan to completely evacuate their population in even two days.

So how is that not the city/state gov'ts fault? I don't have a fire evactuation route out of my house so if I die in a fire it's the president's fault?

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

So how is that not the city/state gov'ts fault? I don't have a fire evactuation route out of my house so if I die in a fire it's the president's fault?

The same way it is not the looters' fault that they steal televisions, it is not the stranded residents' fault that they shoot at rescue helicopters, it is not the uninsured's fault he has no flood insurance.

All of this and the fact that my coffee was too cold this morning is the president's fault.

Here is my prediction...the grossly overdone blame placed on Bush will backfire. Many will feel sorry for him and ask questions similar to Dale's above.

Bush was slow to respond and deserves some heat for it. However, the liberals can't help themselves and have gone so far in their criticism that the people will begin to question their motives.

I don't feel sorry for him, I just don't like shifting blame. In the business and military worlds it is always shifted down, in politics it is shifted up.

Originally Posted by Pepper

The same way it is not the looters' fault that they steal televisions, it is not the stranded residents' fault that they shoot at rescue helicopters, it is not the uninsured's fault he has no flood insurance.

All of this and the fact that my coffee was too cold this morning is the president's fault.

I still blame John Kerry for my ongoing nightmares. I still wake up in a cold sweat from the nightmare that Gomer Pile is running the most powerful nation in the world with Tootsie by his side.









And just for balance:

Originally Posted by Pepper

The same way it is not the looters fault that they steal televisions, it is not the stranded residents fault that they shoot at rescue helicopters, it is not the uninsured's fault he has no flood insurance.

All of this and the fact that my coffee was too cold this morning is the president's fault.

The White House claims that they were not only on top of this storm by the weekend, but in touch with the governors on Sunday as final preparations were being made - at the time they offered all available support. When that federal declaration kicks in, the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA have the responsibility to provide resources to help meet the crisis, particularly in catastrophic situations. When the National Response Plan was implemented under the President's new Department of Homeland Security, it gave the federal government new powers to act in a catastrophic situation without necessary request from a state and locality if the event obviously showed that local resources were overwhelmed.

The argument has been made that Governor Blanco, in issuing the State of Emergency on the Friday before the hurricane made landfall, failed to specifically request federal assistance for evacuation. ABC reported that one of the governor's aides said that she believed the city of New Orleans was taking care of that end. So FEMA claims that since they did not receive a specific written request, they could not afford assistance in evacuation. . .a rather bureaucratic excuse when you are facing the prospect of trying to move over a million people out of a major metropolitan area in less than two days.

While it does appear that New Orleans' only plan for those who couldn't leave the city was the shelter of last resort of the Superdome, it wasn't the only location without any kind of comprehensive evacuation plan. The state of Mississippi mentioned nothing about evacuating those who had no automobiles in their own evacuation statements issued before the storm. So this responsibility appears to be left to city officials.

This does NOT excuse the federal government from not sending support as soon as it was apparent that the Superdome needed to be evacuated. Both the Mayor and the Governor of Louisiana begged for help on that task after the storm, and they kept repeating that they were told help was on its way - but it wasn't. The federal government had the means and the authority to step in with assistance without a specific request as soon as it was determined these officials were overwhelmed. They didn't.

White House officials and the President himself keeps claiming this is a massive undertaking, so it was bound to overwhelm the resources of the state and local governments. The President was derelict in his responsibilities by not using his position as commander-in-chief to order the use of resources (which they claim they had in place) to meet the needs of the situation. The White House has not offered any explanation for not doing ANYTHING until the end of the week when the situation had already spiraled out of control.

This ain't like a simple house fire that the local fire department can handle on its own. If a fire spreads to encompass a city block, the local authorities start begging for help from other communities and the state - if a whole city ends up in the blaze, you can damned well bet the federal government should be there with every piece of equipment we have to fight the blaze.

There is no excuse - no bureaucratic paperwork whining - no "it's not my responsibility" excuse - for not doing everything possible to save the lives of American citizens, especially when you are sitting right there with the ability to do so.

If these levee breaches had been caused by a terrorist bomb, do you think the President should have just blown this off for several days and helped himself to another piece of cake? Hell no - his butt had troops in NYC fast after 9/11 in the interest of "national security." Well, national security is also about protecting American lives in natural disasters, which is part of the mission of the Department of Homeland Security.

That policy is what President Bush wanted and created for this country. This is his baby.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I don't feel sorry for him, I just don't like shifting blame. In the business and military worlds it is always shifted down, in politics it is shifted up.

yeah, "feel sorry for him" is not really the best choice of words on my part.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Here is my prediction...the grossly overdone blame placed on Bush will backfire. Many will feel sorry for him and ask questions similar to Dale's above.

Bush was slow to respond and deserves some heat for it. However, the liberals can't help themselves and have gone so far in their criticism that the people will begin to question their motives.

Well, it seems to me that, instead of the United States invading Afghanistan, we should be demanding that New York handle their own affairs.

Just a little fire to throw into the house of cards.

Originally Posted by Pepper

However, the liberals can't help themselves and have gone so far in their criticism that the people will begin to question their motives.

If you look back on the actions of the liberals since 2000, this is pretty much their M.O. It's like they can't help themselves. They look for anything that they can rail against and try to make the issue a grounds for impeachment.

On day soon: "Bush should be impeached! He used a salad fork to eat his shrimp! Not the shrimp fork, but the salad fork!"

Originally Posted by topolo

How can you be my father? Everyone knows you can't get an erection.

Yes, it was in that thread.

The mayor of NO said there may be 10,000 dead. As of this morning early, only 83 were confirmed dead. Where in hades does he get 10,000? I think he is crying wolf. No doubt there will be many more found, but I don't think anywhere near 10,000.

Originally Posted by Pepper

However, the liberals can't help themselves and have gone so far in their criticism that the people will begin to question their motives.

this is why the last two elections have been heavily republicans elected. The democrats need to rethink their plans and way of thinking if they want to gain some seats back in the next election.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

Yes, it was in that thread.

What? Point out this slander....

Originally Posted by kbm8795

The White House claims that they were not only on top of this storm by the weekend, but in touch with the governors on Sunday as final preparations were being made - at the time they offered all available support. When that federal declaration kicks in, the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA have the responsibility to provide resources to help meet the crisis, particularly in catastrophic situations. When the National Response Plan was implemented under the President's new Department of Homeland Security, it gave the federal government new powers to act in a catastrophic situation without necessary request from a state and locality if the event obviously showed that local resources were overwhelmed.

The argument has been made that Governor Blanco, in issuing the State of Emergency on the Friday before the hurricane made landfall, failed to specifically request federal assistance for evacuation. ABC reported that one of the governor's aides said that she believed the city of New Orleans was taking care of that end. So FEMA claims that since they did not receive a specific written request, they could not afford assistance in evacuation. . .a rather bureaucratic excuse when you are facing the prospect of trying to move over a million people out of a major metropolitan area in less than two days.

While it does appear that New Orleans' only plan for those who couldn't leave the city was the shelter of last resort of the Superdome, it wasn't the only location without any kind of comprehensive evacuation plan. The state of Mississippi mentioned nothing about evacuating those who had no automobiles in their own evacuation statements issued before the storm. So this responsibility appears to be left to city officials.

This does NOT excuse the federal government from not sending support as soon as it was apparent that the Superdome needed to be evacuated. Both the Mayor and the Governor of Louisiana begged for help on that task after the storm, and they kept repeating that they were told help was on its way - but it wasn't. The federal government had the means and the authority to step in with assistance without a specific request as soon as it was determined these officials were overwhelmed. They didn't.

White House officials and the President himself keeps claiming this is a massive undertaking, so it was bound to overwhelm the resources of the state and local governments. The President was derelict in his responsibilities by not using his position as commander-in-chief to order the use of resources (which they claim they had in place) to meet the needs of the situation. The White House has not offered any explanation for not doing ANYTHING until the end of the week when the situation had already spiraled out of control.

This ain't like a simple house fire that the local fire department can handle on its own. If a fire spreads to encompass a city block, the local authorities start begging for help from other communities and the state - if a whole city ends up in the blaze, you can damned well bet the federal government should be there with every piece of equipment we have to fight the blaze.

There is no excuse - no bureaucratic paperwork whining - no "it's not my responsibility" excuse - for not doing everything possible to save the lives of American citizens, especially when you are sitting right there with the ability to do so.

If these levee breaches had been caused by a terrorist bomb, do you think the President should have just blown this off for several days and helped himself to another piece of cake? Hell no - his butt had troops in NYC fast after 9/11 in the interest of "national security." Well, national security is also about protecting American lives in natural disasters, which is part of the mission of the Department of Homeland Security.

That policy is what President Bush wanted and created for this country. This is his baby.

IMO, I don't think Blanco really wanted the feds in there. She wanted total control and say so. With the feds in there she looses all that!

Originally Posted by Pepper

Here is my prediction...the grossly overdone blame placed on Bush will backfire. Many will feel sorry for him and ask questions similar to Dale's above.

Bush was slow to respond and deserves some heat for it. However, the liberals can't help themselves and have gone so far in their criticism that the people will begin to question their motives.

I just don't like George Bush's lack of leadership in this time of crisis nothing he ever said made me feel like he was in control. And even if he really can't do much he should at least make an attempt to seem powerful and on top of things instead of "Uh gee, uh I don't know what to do about this Katrina thingie, but uh, Brownie you're doing an upstanding job keep it up even though it's day 4 and you ain't done shit and I think it's unacceptable, but uh yeah Brownie keep up the good work." Can you beleive in a time of crisis he's referring to Mike Brown by his pet name "Brownie" and commending him for a job well done while at the same time saying it's unacceptable?

Originally Posted by dg806

The mayor of NO said there may be 10,000 dead. As of this morning early, only 83 were confirmed dead. Where in hades does he get 10,000? I think he is crying wolf. No doubt there will be many more found, but I don't think anywhere near 10,000.

They have barely even started looking and gathering any of the bodies. Even lower estimates indicate the dead will be in the thousands, although FEMA is already attempting to restrict the press from observing the gathering process or from verifying any death count as it mounts. However, when the levees were breached, one of the first local accounts of a man rescued as the water poured into the streets said the man had already seen bodies floating. In some neighborhoods, the water rose to 10 feet within the hour and people were obviously trapped in their homes with no way to escape unless they had an attic. We've seen the pictures of water rising to the top of the roofs -if someone couldn't get a hole in the roof, they likely drowned in their attic.

When the storm surge hit, the mayor said he thought about 30,000 homes in the city were flooded; when the largest levee breach was left open, that number rose to 150,000 and the depth in some areas reached 20 feet and the waters eventually covered about 85% of the city. A lot of residents likely had no warning about the flood - power was out and unless they had a battery-operated radio running at the time, they were likely caught off-guard on the streets or trapped in their homes.

Originally Posted by dg806

IMO, I don't think Blanco really wanted the feds in there. She wanted total control and say so. With the feds in there she looses all that!

That's probably true. Although the federal government was able to use its resources without having to take total command of the situation. The Governor wasn't about to hand over the Guard to the White House - and my suspicion is that FEMA had already performed so badly that she didn't trust the President. It didn't help that he hadn't done anything to help the city up to that point as well. And, since the Administration didn't want to accept any responsibility for their inaction, handing over power to the feds would give them lots of ammunition to blame the state and local governments instead of their own lack of response.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Here is my prediction...the grossly overdone blame placed on Bush will backfire. Many will feel sorry for him and ask questions similar to Dale's above.

Bush was slow to respond and deserves some heat for it. However, the liberals can't help themselves and have gone so far in their criticism that the people will begin to question their motives.

And just what is the threshold of the number of American lives lost for placing that "heat" on the commander-in-chief for negligence? The White House claimed they had plenty of support resources in place. There were active military units, a ship equipped to assist in search-and-rescue operations with 1200 sailors aboard and military personnel who repeatedly claimed they could not do anything without an order from the federal government.

Bureaucracy is no excuse for the loss of American lives in our own country. It was obvious the city and both states needed help. When other nations are offering help before our own government even uses all resources available, that indicates negligence. I don't give a crap if the President is a Republican or a Democrat - it was clear when those levees broke that the situation was rapidly deteriorating. If we can figure that out just watching the news, where in the hell was the President?

It also doesn't help when the President appoints people to direct operations without any prior experience in disaster management and planning. And it doesn't help that he apparently has so little trust in his own briefings on the disaster from these people that he had to fly over the area Wednesday afternoon himself to start getting the magnitude of the event.

There is nothing overdone about protecting the lives of American citizens. That is the basis and the foundation of why the people institute a government in the first place. And we deserve an explanation beyond deflecting responsibility, lies by FEMA and the DHS, and avoidance by the White House for their inaction. It only makes the federal government look guilty. If they had the resources in place, why weren't they being used?

Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard said that the government doesn't want us to know how many people died of bureaucracy. Well, that's too damned bad - we are the government and it isn't a "liberal" issue when we demand an explanation for the unnecessary deaths of our own citizens. That is doing OUR job.

Originally Posted by dg806

The mayor of NO said there may be 10,000 dead. As of this morning early, only 83 were confirmed dead. Where in hades does he get 10,000? I think he is crying wolf. No doubt there will be many more found, but I don't think anywhere near 10,000.

It is the same thing the Republican War machine did when 9/11 happened. How many people did they predict died in the attacks, like 20,000? In the end, it was less than 1/4 of that. It's all about getting leverage to get what you need. Hell, I used to do it in college when I wanted money from my folks. I would tell them I had little to no food so that they would send my a fity. Then, I would spend it on booze. I only did it like 4 times, but it worked each time. C'est la vie.

Originally Posted by dg806

The mayor of NO said there may be 10,000 dead. As of this morning early, only 83 were confirmed dead. Where in hades does he get 10,000? I think he is crying wolf. No doubt there will be many more found, but I don't think anywhere near 10,000.

Am I good or what??
http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D8CH26IG3.html
Dale is probably right though. He probably said that to panic people to get what he wanted.

Hmm....even international assistance is having more problems. Wonder if they can manage to blame this on the Governor, too?



German Plane With Katrina Aid Turned Back By CLAUDIA KEMMER, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 1 minute ago



BERLIN - A German military plane carrying 15 tons of military rations for survivors of Hurricane Katrina was sent back by U.S. authorities, officials said Saturday.

The plane was turned away Thursday because it did not have the required authorization, a German government spokesman said.

The spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, declined to comment on a report in the German news magazine Der Spiegel that U.S. authorities refused the delivery on the grounds that the NATO military rations could carry mad cow disease.

The spokesman said U.S. authorities had since given approval for future aid flights, but it was unclear whether the German military would try again to deliver the rations.

Since Hurricane Katrina struck the United States, many international donors have complained of frustration that bureaucratic entanglements have hindered shipments to the United States.

A U.S. Embassy official, who agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name, blamed the German flight's rejection on temporary technical and logistical problems that have accompanied recovery operations in the devastated region.

German military planes have flown several loads of rations to the Gulf Coast. Berlin is also sending teams equipped with high-capacity pumps to help clear floodwaters.