Chavez' surprise for Bush

min0 lee · 09-18-2005, 11:44 AM

Offering to sell cheap oil to America's poor

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Worried about the skyrocketing cost of gasoline and heating oil this winter?
Well, Hugo Chavez, the firebrand president of oil-rich Venezuela, wants to help.

Chavez, a former army officer twice elected president in huge landslides, has become a target of the Bush administration for his radical social policies.

Last month, right-wing evangelist Pat Robertson openly urged his assassination.

But now Chavez is firing back at Bush and Robertson with a surprise weapon - cheap oil for America's poor.

In an exclusive interview yesterday, the Venezuelan leader said his country will soon start to ship heating oil and diesel fuel at below market prices to poor communities and schools in the United States.

"We will begin with a pilot project in Chicago on Oct. 14, in a Mexican-American community," said Chavez, who was in town for the United Nations sessions. "We will then expand the program to New York and Boston in November."

The first New York neighborhood in the program will be the South Bronx, where Chavez was to speak today as a guest of Rep. Jose Serrano.

The Venezuelan leader revealed details of the new oil-for-the-poor program during a wide-ranging interview at the upper East Side home of his country's UN ambassador.

"If you want to eliminate poverty, you have to empower the poor, not treat them as beggars," Chavez said.

During the hour-long interview, he also blasted the Iraq war; accused Bush of trying to kill him to reassert U.S. control over Venezuela's oil; offered support for the victims of Hurricane Katrina; and lampooned the UN as out of touch with the world's poor.

Echoing his favorite American writer, radical linguist Noam Chomsky, Chavez warned that "Americans must reorder their style of life" because "this planet cannot sustain" our "irrational" consumption, especially when it comes to oil.

Much of what Chavez said he has expressed before.

But his novel oil-for-the-poor idea in this country is sure to make him an even bigger target of the Bush administration.

Those who scoff at this as a publicity scam should think twice.

With the price of oil at record levels, the Chavez government is swimming in cash.

Those sky-high fuel prices are bound to have a drastic impact on low-income neighborhoods here, especially since Congress redirected much of this winter's usual energy assistance program for victims of Hurricane Katrina.

Venezuela, on the other hand, owns a key U.S. subsidiary called Citgo Petroleum Corp., which has 14,000 gas stations and owns eight oil refineries in this country, none of which was damaged by Katrina.

Chavez said he can afford to sharply reduce Citgo's prices by "cutting out the middle man."

His plan is to set aside 10% of the 800,000 barrels of oil produced by the Citgo refineries and ship that oil directly to schools, religious organizations and nonprofits in poor communities for distribution.

The same approach, he said, has worked in the Caribbean, where Venezuela is already sharply subsidizing oil deliveries to more than a dozen nations.

Cutting oil prices must seem like the worst sort of radicalism to the Big Oil companies and their buddies at the Bush-Cheney White House.

But ordinary Americans fed up with price gouging by these energy companies could begin to look at Chavez in a different light if his oil-for-the-poor project works.

Still, Chavez, warns, we must all think about the future. Americans are 5% of the world's population, yet we consume 25% of the world's oil.

On his drive from Kennedy Airport to Manhattan this week, Chavez noted, "Out of every 100 cars I saw on the road, 99 had only one person in the car.

"These people were using up fuel," he said. "They were polluting the environment. This planet cannot sustain that mode of life."

That's the kind of message that can get a man killed these days - or at least labeled a dangerous madman by folks in the White House.

Originally published on September 17, 2005

TJ Cline · 09-18-2005, 12:37 PM

I watched some of this interview, the most interesting part was when Chavez said the Buish administration had plans to attack Venezuela..

min0 lee · 09-18-2005, 12:43 PM

I can see a CIA sniper taking him down but to attack Venezuela.......

**Dale Mabry** · 09-18-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I can see a CIA sniper taking him down but to attack Venezuela.......

Have oil will bomb.

myCATpowerlifts · 09-19-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Have oil will bomb.

I hope he sends us all the oil he can ship!

largepkg · 09-19-2005, 03:09 PM

He sends us all the oil right now! He's been getting rich off the US for sometime now while taking his country into the shitter. He's the owner of Citgo petroleum.

This is just another spin to make himself look good and trash the US at the same time.

Fujiama · 09-19-2005, 03:27 PM

I think it's a good idea, isn't it? Ok everbody knows that all oil moguls are moneygrubbing asses, so I don't expect any beneficient actions of them. So this idea of oil-for-the-poor is a surprise, a good one. my opinion

TJ Cline · 09-19-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by largepkg

He sends us all the oil right now! He's been getting rich off the US for sometime now while taking his country into the shitter. Can you expand on this??? some examples please. He's the owner of Citgo petroleum.

This is just another spin to make himself look good and trash the US at the same time.

Don't know if he is trying to make himself look good while trashing the Bush administration, have to see more history on this.

The Monkey Man · 09-19-2005, 04:20 PM

Who gives a fuck...

I hope he undercuts the fuckin Saudi's and makes a pot of cash!!!

And I don't care if he crams his ass full of it,
and uses it as kindling to light his farts while poor Venezuelins suffer!?!?

Selling me cheap feul will fuck over Bush and his self appointed team of elitists...
Who have been fucking me and my community since taking office

Bring on the cheap feul -

maniclion · 09-19-2005, 04:29 PM

He's making the barrios feel good, that's what he's doing and he's doing a good job at it. Instead of handing out "welfare" to the poor he's handing out "well being". All the charity in the world can't replace happiness and the feeling that everythings gonna be alright now. But poor Chavez faces more scrutiny than GW Bush because his biggest opposition are the filthy rich oligarchs of his country and they try devious means to get rid of him and his "impoverished empowering" ass.

DOMS · 09-19-2005, 04:36 PM

Hugo Chavez thinks he's more important that he actually is. He's a two-bit leader of a third world country that produces a negligible amount of oil (it's not even in the top 25). Almost half of the population lives in poverty and has .012 percent the GDP of the USA.

One day some Venezuelan will throw a coup and we can enjoy some other two-bit's rant.

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 05:00 PM

I got this from here

Rank Order - Oil - production

1 World 76,010,000 2001 est.
2 Saudi Arabia 9,021,000 2004 est.
3 Russia 8,420,000 2003 est.
4 United States 7,800,000 2004 est.
5 Iran 3,962,000 2004 est.
6 Mexico 3,460,000 2004 est.
7 China 3,392,000 2003 est.
8 Norway 3,310,000 2004 est.
9 Canada 3,110,000 2004 est.
10 European Union 2,648,000 2001
11 Venezuela 2,600,000 2004 est.
12 Nigeria 2,356,000 2004 est.
13 United Arab Emirates 2,335,000 2004 est.
14 Kuwait 2,319,000 2004 est.
15 Iraq 2,250,000 2004 est.
16 United Kingdom 1,957,000 2003 est.
17 Brazil 1,788,000 2004

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 05:03 PM

Rank Order - Oil - exports

1 Saudi Arabia 7,920,000 2003
2 Russia 6,110,000 2003
3 European Union 5,322,000 2001
4 Norway 3,466,000 2001
5 United Arab Emirates 2,500,000 2004 est.
6 Iran 2,500,000 2004 est.
7 Venezuela 2,100,000 2004 est.
8 Kuwait 1,970,000 2003
9 Mexico 1,863,000 2004
10 United Kingdom 1,498,000 2001
11 Iraq 1,490,000 2004 est

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 05:08 PM

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Meanwhile, Chavez laughs all the way to the bank. He sits atop one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Venezuela owns CITGO. And as America's fourth largest oil supplier, he believes he has the U.S. by the throat. And he just might

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maniclion · 09-19-2005, 05:45 PM

Anyone who reveals the devil within Bible Thumpers is alright with me.

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Anyone who reveals the devil within Bible Thumpers is alright with me.

Can you believe he wants him shot dead? A religious leader no less.

maniclion · 09-19-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

Can you believe he wants him shot dead? A religious leader no less.

Of course they want him shot dead he's a rabble-rouser, this goes to prove that Pat Robertson is working on someone elses agenda and not that of the true Christian spirit. After Robertsons remarks American Missionaries in Venezuela were probably swallowing really hard for a while.

Poor folks over there trying to spread love where only a few can see it and one of their biggest mouthpieces is spewing hate for all the world to hear over and over again.

DOMS · 09-19-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

11 Venezuela 2,600,000 2004 est.

Fair enough, my bad.

If he thinks he's a threat to the US, he's got another thing coming to him. And that still doesn't change the fact that he's still a two-bit leader or a third-world country, who'll likely be replaced in a coup rather than an election.

I'm so looking forward to the day that gas is replaced as the standard fuel for vehicles. The OPEC wont be worth shit.

The Monkey Man · 09-19-2005, 06:46 PM

If he causes any more ruckus...

Bush will send down some spec ops units, with some CIA guys...

They will mobilize a rebelion based on bigger propaganda than Chavez's,
roll in and kill him like they did Pablo Escobar

Done... Saudi's.... Start the Oil pipeline flow through Kuwait again -

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

Of course they want him shot dead he's a rabble-rouser, this goes to prove that Pat Robertson is working on someone elses agenda and not that of the true Christian spirit. After Robertsons remarks American Missionaries in Venezuela were probably swallowing really hard for a while.

Poor folks over there trying to spread love where only a few can see it and one of their biggest mouthpieces is spewing hate for all the world to hear over and over again.

So true. Pat made Chavez look like the better man.
All Pat is good for is stealing money from the poor and the eldery.

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cfs3

I'm so looking forward to the day that gas is replaced as the standard fuel for vehicles. The OPEC wont be worth shit.

Not even in our grand kids lifetime

DOMS · 09-19-2005, 06:54 PM

Nice precognitive powers.

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

If he causes any more ruckus...

Bush will send down some spec ops units, with some CIA guys...

They will mobilize a rebelion based on bigger propaganda than Chavez's,
roll in and kill him like they did Pablo Escobar

Done... Saudi's.... Start the Oil pipeline flow through Kuwait again -

Cough......like Castro? cough...........

min0 lee · 09-19-2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cfs3

Nice precognitive powers.

I didn't mean "ours" as in our grandkids from our marraige.

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largepkg Senior Fucknut Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: S FLA Posts: 2,953 Photos: 2	He sends us all the oil right now! He's been getting rich off the US for sometime now while taking his country into the shitter. He's the owner of Citgo petroleum. This is just another spin to make himself look good and trash the US at the same time.

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maniclion Catalyst Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hawaii, selling munitions for the war on EcoTerror Posts: 17,381 Photos: 10	He's making the barrios feel good, that's what he's doing and he's doing a good job at it. Instead of handing out "welfare" to the poor he's handing out "well being". All the charity in the world can't replace happiness and the feeling that everythings gonna be alright now. But poor Chavez faces more scrutiny than GW Bush because his biggest opposition are the filthy rich oligarchs of his country and they try devious means to get rid of him and his "impoverished empowering" ass.

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