Do you think outsourcing isgood for the US economy?

**min0 lee** · 10-25-2005, 09:27 PM

Greg Mankiw, George W. Bush's Chief Economic Advisor said "outsourcing" would prove to be "a plus for the economy in the long run," and was simply "a new way of doing international trade."

This item was in today's Wired News:

"Expanding outward: Sun Microsystems has chosen four of its facilities around the world to take the place of its Silicon Valley office as the research and development hub.

The four research and development centers are in the Indian city of Bangalore, the Chinese capital of Beijing, Russia's St. Petersburg and the Czech Republic capital, Prague.

The company said it will not lay off programmers in the United States -- but won't hire many, either.

The company has reduced its staff to about 30,000, from roughly 43,000 four years ago. However, it has cash reserves of $7.5 billion -- enough for expansion."

So what do you think, is outsourcing good for the US economy? I don't, I think it will make this country weaker and the quality of products worse.

**gococksDJS** · 10-25-2005, 09:33 PM

Min0, why don't you just title the thread "Liberal Orgy, time to pull out your dicks and jack it, because it's Bush's fault"

**min0 lee** · 10-25-2005, 09:37 PM

I didn't actually mean this as a knock on Bush or any party, in fact wasn't it Bill Clinton who signed a bill of this sort.

To me I think it's an example of how much influence greedy corporations have in our government...both Democratic and Republican.

**min0 lee** · 10-25-2005, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Min0, why don't you just title the thread "Liberal Orgy, time to pull out your dicks and jack it, because it's Bush's fault"

That does sound like fun but maybe some other time.

**gococksDJS** · 10-25-2005, 09:42 PM

I was just joking, it's always funny to watch the libs freak out with stuff like this...

**min0 lee** · 10-25-2005, 09:44 PM

Fun and interesting......

**The Monkey Man** · 10-25-2005, 09:46 PM

NO OUTSOURCING IS HORRIBLE....

THE GOVT NEEDS TO PLACE TAXES ON IMPORTED GOODS TO EVEN THE COSTS
WITH AMERICAN PRODUCTS...

BAD FUCKING NEWS -

**TJ Cline** · 10-25-2005, 09:50 PM

Fuck The Government
Rick assholes who line the pockets of their families and friends.....
Its the same in almost every country.

**musclepump** · 10-25-2005, 09:56 PM

Outsourcing = Bad

**BigDyl** · 10-25-2005, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I didn't actually mean this as a knock on Bush or any party, in fact wasn't it Bill Clinton who signed a bill of this sort.

To me I think it's an example of how much influence greedy corporations have in our government...both Democratic and Republican.

I don't think GoCocks with be able to comprehend this concept. You have to be either a Conservative or Liberal... You can't dislike both...

**The Monkey Man** · 10-25-2005, 10:10 PM

Yeah clinton opened up the free trade with China...

Whom we need to Nuke, before they mobilize, into world dominance

**LAM** · 10-25-2005, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

To me I think it's an example of how much influence greedy corporations have in our government...both Democratic and Republican.

our governemt (both Dems and Repubs) both run this country like a corporation. however I don't know how any elected offical who claims to be a patriot could vote in favor of giving company's tax breaks for outsourcing

**TJ Cline** · 10-25-2005, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by LAM

our governemt (both Dems and Repubs) both run this country like a corporation. however I don't know how any elected offical who claims to be a patriot could vote in favor of giving company's tax breaks for outsourcing

Or the multi Billion dollar corporation called "the Church"

**kbm8795** · 10-25-2005, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by gococksDJS

Min0, why don't you just title the thread "Liberal Orgy, time to pull out your dicks and jack it, because it's Bush's fault"

It's almost Fitzmas Day.

**MyK** · 10-26-2005, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

NO OUTSOURCING IS HORRIBLE....

THE GOVT NEEDS TO PLACE TAXES ON IMPORTED GOODS TO EVEN THE COSTS
WITH AMERICAN PRODUCTS...

BAD FUCKING NEWS -

exchange restrictions do nothing but reduce wealth potential, and it will simply cause a retaliation in export tariffs for the US, reducing business for US companies, reducing employment, reducing investment, and on and on until it puts us in a recession!

you clearly have no idea what your talking about!

**MyK** · 10-26-2005, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I didn't actually mean this as a knock on Bush or any party, in fact wasn't it Bill Clinton who signed a bill of this sort.

To me I think it's an example of how much influence greedy corporations have in our government...both Democratic and Republican.

"greedy" we live in a free market, would you rather have a planned economy controlled by the state????

**MyK** · 10-26-2005, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by musclepump

Outsourcing = Bad

nice generalization! why dont we just go back to a hunter gatherer society??

**MyK** · 10-26-2005, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I don't think GoCocks with be able to comprehend this concept. You have to be either a Conservative or Liberal... You can't dislike both...

yes you can!

**MyK** · 10-26-2005, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

Yeah clinton opened up the free trade with China...

Whom we need to Nuke, before they mobilize, into world dominance

**lnvanry** · 10-26-2005, 12:30 AM

Oursourcing is OK...It is a natural product life cycle....When something is new and innovative (like silicon chips) the U.S. is the pioneer of the product while it is still expensive. As time goes by the product isn't as expensive anymore and production goes to other developed countries like Europe/Japan. After the product becomes a modern standard of living (steel/textiles) it goes to less developed nations like China and India. This is a natural process. ECON 101...fighting is totally futile

We outsource the manufaturing aspect, but the Corporate headquater always stay here along with the shareholders...It is good business to use cheap labor (NIKE).

Yes it cuts back on blue collar jobs here in the U.S., but it maximizes wealth and increases our GDP and GNI as a whole.

**TJ Cline** · 10-26-2005, 12:34 AM

Yes but only for the top 3%
Great system

**lnvanry** · 10-26-2005, 12:41 AM

Actually it the top 20% richest people control over 75% of the nations wealth...

Why can't you be one of them?

**TJ Cline** · 10-26-2005, 12:46 AM

top 5% control 60% of the wealth in America...and 100% of the elected officials..
Actually I think the numbers are higher..

**lnvanry** · 10-26-2005, 12:48 AM

well put....Do think that it is richest people's responsibility to redistribute their wealth? or the politicians who would clearly be conflicted?

**TJ Cline** · 10-26-2005, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by lnvanry

well put....Do think that it is richest people's responsibility to redistribute their wealth? or the politicians who would clearly be conflicted?

Yes they "redistribute" it to their family, friends and the officials they want elected....
Its a great system

**lnvanry** · 10-26-2005, 12:57 AM

Clearly they distribute it to their family. but I'm asking you if you think they have a responsibility to redisribute it to to less wealthy or poor....like more socialistic systems or even radical communists systems.

They U.S. has left out traditional economy these days of Adam Smith and now we have become hypercapitalistic...a process of economic natural selection....don't get left behind b/c no one will help you but yourself.

**TJ Cline** · 10-26-2005, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by lnvanry

Clearly they distribute it to their family. but I'm asking you if you think they have a responsibility to redisribute it to to less wealthy or poor....like more socialistic systems or even radical communists systems.

They U.S. has left out traditional economy these days of Adam Smith and now we have become hypercapitalistic...a process of economic natural selection....don't get left behind b/c no one will help you but yourself.

The American system and Great Britain are much more unequal than any other advanced industrial country.......

Its clear the system is set up to maintain this inequality........much of it unfair and technically illegal.....

How do we fix it or make it better..............I have no idea!!!
The rich have always ruled the world.....and they always will.
sad but true...

**lnvanry** · 10-26-2005, 01:09 AM

I guess if I was poor and underpriviledged I would be frustrated with the system, but I refuse to settle for anything but that top 20% with over 75% of the pie...I think that determination is what seperates the inequality...It takes a couple of generations to reach that (my grandparents were immigrants...coal miners).

This is kind of an extreme example, but did you know the co-founder and owner of GOOGLE (whose stock has more than quadrupled since it initial public offering less than a year ago) was a Russian exchange student...He was the youngest person on Forbes 400 richest people in the world...I think he was late twenty something....That's determination

**TJ Cline** · 10-26-2005, 01:30 AM

top 20% is shit.....
You really need to shoot for top 10%
anything less is just middle class and worse...

**Big Smoothy** · 10-26-2005, 02:33 AM

Unfortunately, outsourcing will continue for decades and it's a worldwide phenomenom. Sux....

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