Thread: Iran is next

Gonna be a while before we start any major troop pullouts from Iraq. There's no way we can fight three wars at the same time. I agree that the pressure has to be ratcheted up on Iran, but my faith in the UN(eccesary) is long gone.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

Good thing we already have our troops right the middle of the problem with Isreal on one side and our men in Afghanstan on the other. If you look at a map Iran is surrounded.

I am predicting that they are next as soon as we can troop movement out of Iraq.

Invanry, I am afraid that is NOT possible.

The U.S. military is strained, and 200 Billion dollars has already spent on Iraq alone.

The population of Iran is larger than Iraq's, and unemployment of men under thirty years of age is 30%.

The American public wouldn't support it.

And the U.S. forced would have to occupy Iran for several decades and fight urban and guerilla warfare.

If the American government overthrows the Iranian government of Ahbinajad [sic] what do you think would replace it?

No public support, not enough troops, not enough money (deficits), not a military option, logistically.

We would enter or support of an Iranian offensive if Isreal pulled us into it. We aren't the only ones who are nervous w/ these crazy persians....even France is freaking out about them. There is no oil for food scandal w/ Iran and they have proven Nuclear tech. so people would be more apt to supporting the war.....and besides

the current administration doesn't need public support for anywar....take a look at Iraq.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

the current administration doesn't need public support for anywar....take a look at Iraq.

Well Bush can't run again anyway so he doesn't have to worry about getting revoted in.

It wouldn't cost that much to simply bomb the shit out of their military and nuclear sites. None of this sticking around to help bullshit.

Bomb 'em, smoke 'em if you've got 'em, and then go home.

That would take less than 24 hours and only cost a few 100 million.

Goodbye Iran.

so now corrupt Kofi Annan is visiting the nutty persian leader...I wonder what he'll say "Maybe of you illegaly give my son and his enoturage some more oil for food money I will let you build nukes?

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

Well Bush can't run again anyway so he doesn't have to worry about getting revoted in.

But keep in mind his poppa always has one more shot.

Originally Posted by maniclion

But keep in mind his poppa always has one more shot.

right......

iran's leaders are looking for something to unify their people. and israel makes a great target the muslims can rally around. time is running out on the current leaders because the current generation under 30 has a strong pro-west, pro-democratic lean. they are unhappy with the current gov't in place. the best thing for the west to do is wait this one out and let the internal demographics take care of this one. this was even discussed on west wing. yes i know, im watching a liberal show, but the stuff is interesting

interesting approach....i agree w/ except for Iran. Iran used to be more democratic and pro-west; however, the new younger generation are in Iran are not...they are fundamentalists and put the new crazy Persian in office.


Iran disputes this trend that yo speak of, but I think you are right for rest of the middle east

Fuck lets go all the way back and just spite Iran for being the center that started the whole Zoroastrian thing that spawned Judaism, Christianity and Islam, in fact lets just wipe out all of humanity for needing to resort to mythologies to feel part of a greater something.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

iran's leaders are looking for something to unify their people. and israel makes a great target the muslims can rally around. time is running out on the current leaders because the current generation under 30 has a strong pro-west, pro-democratic lean. they are unhappy with the current gov't in place. the best thing for the west to do is wait this one out and let the internal demographics take care of this one. this was even discussed on west wing. yes i know, im watching a liberal show, but the stuff is interesting

Better yet, why not have the US take the reins off the Israelis and let the Israelis annihilate their enemies?

Originally Posted by maniclion

Fuck lets go all the way back and just spite Iran for being the center that started the whole Zoroastrian thing that spawned Judaism, Christianity and Islam, in fact lets just wipe out all of humanity for needing to resort to mythologies to feel part of a greater something.

I think yo need to brush up on your history and geography.

Modern day Iraq is actually the birthplace of civilization and Isreal/Syria are the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity...Jeruselam

Islam also started in Saudi Arabia...Mecca

Originally Posted by lnvanry

I think yo need to brush up on your history and geography.

Modern day Iraq is actually the birthplace of civilization and Isreal/Syria are the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity...Jeruselam

Islam also started in Saudi Arabia...Mecca

All Jews, Christians, Muslims would be going to hell....

well if your wrote it on a thread it must be true .

Originally Posted by lnvanry

interesting approach....i agree w/ except for Iran. Iran used to be more democratic and pro-west; however, the new younger generation are in Iran are not...they are fundamentalists and put the new crazy Persian in office.


Iran disputes this trend that yo speak of, but I think you are right for rest of the middle east

sure was up until we interferred in 1979 and drove them to a more fundamentalist leadership. but that was 26 years ago, and i said the under 30 generation is more pro-democratic. the under thirty crowd doesnt remember us interfering in their politics. all they know is the crap system that they grew up in and are living under now. i still think throughout the middle east that it is a minority that are the extremeists. that they are not in the majority.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

the current administration doesn't need public support for anywar....take a look at Iraq.

That was then - when the war started - and now is now.

When the U.S. attacked and invaded Iraq over 7/10 Americans believed Hussein was linked with Al-Qaeda. This provided a major reason behind the support for the war by the American public, according to polls.

The Americans also thought the Iraq invasion would be easier and the Americans would be greeted as liberators, driving around Iraq in un-armored Humvees handing out food.

Iraq has taken longer, and will take longer. 200+ billion dollars, massive fraud, missing tax-payer money, and 2,000+ dead, many more disabled.

And remember when it comes to Public Support: Congressional elections are a year away. 80 seats may be at stake.

Originally Posted by cfs3

It wouldn't cost that much to simply bomb the shit out of their military and nuclear sites. None of this sticking around to help bullshit.

Bomb 'em, smoke 'em if you've got 'em, and then go home. Goodbye Iran.

The nuclear facilities are very well hidden and many are underground.

The CIA is not completely clear on where all of the sites are. Some could be taken out by strategic military strikes and bombings, but others would cannot be detected.

And remember....all of that pre-Iraq War Intelligence?

Right on the money, right?

Ha-Ha.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

The nuclear facilities are very well hidden and many are underground.

The CIA is not completely clear on where all of the sites are. Some could be taken out by strategic military strikes and bombings, but others would cannot be detected.

Wow, you must work for the CIA. Not very likely. What probably happened was the NYT or the Washington Post told you these things and you felt the need to regurgitate.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

And remember....all of that pre-Iraq War Intelligence?

Right on the money, right?

Ha-Ha.

The actual war lasted mere days and all major targets were destroyed quickly.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

iran's leaders are looking for something to unify their people. and israel makes a great target the muslims can rally around. time is running out on the current leaders because the current generation under 30 has a strong pro-west, pro-democratic lean. they are unhappy with the current gov't in place. the best thing for the west to do is wait this one out and let the internal demographics take care of this one. this was even discussed on west wing. yes i know, im watching a liberal show, but the stuff is interesting

Yes they will change their Government just like the hippies did here

Originally Posted by cfs3

Wow, you must work for the CIA. Not very likely. What probably happened was the NYT or the Washington Post told you these things and you felt the need to regurgitate.

I don't read the NYT or Washington Post that often.

The lack of info. and Intell. on where are of the sites are has been repeated over and over again, in the media. I don't think I'm "regurgitating" it, just letting you be aware of a fact - that you've missed.

The actual war lasted mere days and all major targets were destroyed quickly.

Mere days?

Why are 138,000 U.S. troops still there?

Originally Posted by cfs3

The actual war lasted mere days and all major targets were destroyed quickly.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

That was then - when the war started - and now is now.

When the U.S. attacked and invaded Iraq over 7/10 Americans believed Hussein was linked with Al-Qaeda. This provided a major reason behind the support for the war by the American public, according to polls.

The Americans also thought the Iraq invasion would be easier and the Americans would be greeted as liberators, driving around Iraq in un-armored Humvees handing out food.

Iraq has taken longer, and will take longer. 200+ billion dollars, massive fraud, missing tax-payer money, and 2,000+ dead, many more disabled.

And remember when it comes to Public Support: Congressional elections are a year away. 80 seats may be at stake.

This is what I find funny as shit. Everyone has the solutions when they are 1 opinion in a sea of millions. You say this shit, but your word can not stop and start a nuclear war, so it has no bearing or consequence. Your decisions don't have the ability to possibly save thousands from a ruthless dictator, or possibly kill thousands of U.S. citizens, so what is holding you back? Nothing.

I'm not trying to be a jackass or disrespectful or say that there's nothing wrong with the Iraq situation, because it's fucked up as shit, but people are so quick to offer their opinions after the fact when in actuality their opinion is just that, an opinion. Not something that could alter mankind and end in thousands of people dead, on our side and theirs. It's easy as shit to say what you would change about yesterday now that it's today.

^ I agree.

And this is why....we have Internet Forums.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

^ I agree.

And this is why....we have Internet Forums.

hahah, this is very true.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

Why are 138,000 U.S. troops still there?

To help the Iraqis rebuild. A complete waste if you ask me, but it's not part of the actual war.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

*whew* that was close, you almost had to use words.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

That was then - when the war started - and now is now.

When the U.S. attacked and invaded Iraq over 7/10 Americans believed Hussein was linked with Al-Qaeda. This provided a major reason behind the support for the war by the American public, according to polls.

The Americans also thought the Iraq invasion would be easier and the Americans would be greeted as liberators, driving around Iraq in un-armored Humvees handing out food.

Iraq has taken longer, and will take longer. 200+ billion dollars, massive fraud, missing tax-payer money, and 2,000+ dead, many more disabled.

And remember when it comes to Public Support: Congressional elections are a year away. 80 seats may be at stake.

solid point