Thread: Don't ever close your blinds!

I would expect no less from you Forman. I am surprised it took you this long though!

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

That was the most transparent propaganda ilk I have ever read. To read that excrement and not be sickened by it would indicate that you have no ability for independent thinking at all.

I pity you such a strong opinion based upon a screen with only writing in front of your face.

Originally Posted by devildog88

I would expect no less from you Forman. I am surprised it took you this long though!

Sorry it took so long for me to spread some truth around here, I was getting my beauty sleep

Originally Posted by adrien_j9

I pity you such a strong opinion based upon a screen with only writing in front of your face.

I pity anyone so uneducated on the history of America and the use of propaganda, it scares me that someone could be so blind to the realities of the world.

Eh get used to it, that's probably the 20th imaginary conversation between father and son scenario i've seen about the war, i think I even got one in my e-mail today at work.

1st one that I have seen. I got it in the email today as well!

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

Too bad America closes the blinds to all the other countries in the world that this is happening in... unless there is an oil interest

i dont know why people say shit like this. Did we get any oil from anyone at any time ?

Originally Posted by adrien_j9

My whole thing with the war. Massive intellects beware!!!
To heal the outside, we must first heal inside. There is so much suffering and pain in our neighborhoods... I believe it is our duty to heal within so we may stand more united in healing without.

You know, being in the military, I wish I was spending my days operating in country, helping those in need. But unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Nonetheless, I have sworn an oath, to protect and defend, at home and abroad . If these people need our help, which apparently they do, we'll be here to help them. I mean, if you could see the joy in their eyes, even if you just stop to shake their hand, you'd know that this is a good thing. So all the people back home, who just sit there and knock the gov't for having us over here, please understand there is more at stake then oil or money, we have given them hope. And if that's all I can offer, so be it, as hope is a very powerful thing.

Originally Posted by dougnukem

You know, being in the military, I wish I was spending my days operating in country, helping those in need. But unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Nonetheless, I have sworn an oath, to protect and defend, at home and abroad . If these people need our help, which apparently they do, we'll be here to help them. I mean, if you could see the joy in their eyes, even if you just stop to shake their hand, you'd know that this is a good thing. So all the people back home, who just sit there and knock the gov't for having us over here, please understand there is more at stake then oil or money, we have given them hope. And if that's all I can offer, so be it, as hope is a very powerful thing.

martyrdom much?


Dude you can't be a martyr by saying how you are a martyr all the time...

if you want to help a nation.......Go help Zimbabwe. That WOULD be an act of courage, there are hardly any natural resources there, and the atrocities that their dictator inflicts on his own countrymen are so sickening that I will not revert to discussing them. It is a helpless nation and countries like Britain, (My own) , and America sit back and watch is slowly die. Hopefully one day before it really becomes too late (Ie within the next 3-5 years) something drastic will be done.

What makes you say that?

Originally Posted by silencer

if you want to help a nation.......Go help Zimbabwe. That WOULD be an act of courage, there are hardly any natural resources there, and the atrocities that their dictator inflicts on his own countrymen are so sickening that I will not revert to discussing them. It is a helpless nation and countries like Britain, (My own) , and America sit back and watch is slowly die. Hopefully one day before it really becomes too late (Ie within the next 3-5 years) something drastic will be done.

Not my call. They tell me to go there, and I'll go. Gotta follow orders.

Originally Posted by dougnukem

Not my call. They tell me to go there, and I'll go. Gotta follow orders.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

martyrdom much?


Dude you can't be a martyr by saying how you are a martyr all the time...

I'm not a martyr. How do I suffer for the sake of principle? I'm not suffering one bit, I just feel we should direct our efforts inward as opposed to outward. But I still believe in what we're doing here.

Originally Posted by dougnukem

But I still believe in what we're doing here.

Who you trying to convince...?

Nobody. Just stating my feelings.

Originally Posted by dougnukem

Nobody. Just stating my feelings.

Sounded like you were trying to convince yourself.

Nah, no need. I'm not much for doubting myself in these types of things.

Originally Posted by silencer

if you want to help a nation.......Go help Zimbabwe. That WOULD be an act of courage, there are hardly any natural resources there, and the atrocities that their dictator inflicts on his own countrymen are so sickening that I will not revert to discussing them. It is a helpless nation and countries like Britain, (My own) , and America sit back and watch is slowly die. Hopefully one day before it really becomes too late (Ie within the next 3-5 years) something drastic will be done.

That's my point... nothing will be done because there is nothing to gain by helping

Originally Posted by Super Hulk

i dont know why people say shit like this. Did we get any oil from anyone at any time ?

You're right, the US has no economical or political interest in Iraq or any other country that they have went to war with

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

That's my point... nothing will be done because there is nothing to gain by helping

I know, and I agree... I've studied the history of warfare and politics for a large proportion of my life.

On one had I would have to agree with a country who does not want to extend itself to help another country without there being any gain. At the end of the day it is the USA's or any other nations Job too look after their citizens and increase their standard of living. Sending troops over to an area where no gain in anyway will be achieved will drain resources as well as morale, therefore it would be pointless.

I mean that propaganda has its place to be fair, its a very strong tool, and if those letters and e-mails keep up morale, then good, because obviously with wars where there is conflicting reasons on why troops are there, the more positive propaganda the better.You'd have to be slightly gullable to not realise that the act in engaging in warfare always has a selfish entity and there is always potentially something to gain from it.

Hence the ideology of war. There is always something to be gained. Like I said before, we didn't become the Super power by sitting on our arses! Sometimes people try to justify the reasoning of war........................well maybe we should just kick the shit out of everyone and have the world as our own! Survival of the fittest!

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I pity anyone so uneducated on the history of America and the use of propaganda, it scares me that someone could be so blind to the realities of the world.

My sadness for you stays the same. To base a judgement of someone you've never met so simply is... ignorant, simpleminded...somewhat amusing - giving me something to do while I pass the time at work. Thanks! Please, continue with your, 'oh-so-hurtful' insults!

Originally Posted by NeilPearson

Too bad America closes the blinds to all the other countries in the world that this is happening in... unless there is an oil interest

This kind of bullshit always cracks me up. My question to you is, SO WHAT? The entire world economy is driven by oil. We're supposed to sit by and NOT protect our interests? Get off the ideological bandwagon and deal with reality.

Originally Posted by devildog88

Don't Close Your Blinds

Steven R Chandler, CMSgt

332 ELRS/Vehicle Management
Flight Balad Air Base, Iraq


The other day, my nine year old son wanted to know why we were at war...My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our Country again today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation. My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand in our front living room window.

He said "Son, stand there and tell me what you see?"

"I see trees and cars and our neighbor's houses." he replied.

"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the United States of America and you are President Bush."

Our son giggled and said "OK."

"Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every house and yard on this block is a different country" my husband said.

"OK Dad, I'm pretending."

"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and pretend you see Saddam come out of his house with his wife, he has her by the hair and is hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face, he throws her on the ground, then he starts to kick her to death. Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are screaming and crying, they are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and they are afraid of their father. You see all of this, son....what do you do?"

"Dad?"

"What do you do son?"

"I'd call the police, Dad."

"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations. They take your call. They listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do you do then son?"

"Dad.......... but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to whine.

"They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place or your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my husband says.

"But Dad...he killed her!!" my son exclaims.

"I know he did...but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I want you to look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his children."

"Daddy...he kills them?"

"Yes son, he does. What do you do?"

"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next door neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.

"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop him," my husband says.

"But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"

"WHAT DO YOU DO SON?" Our son starts to cry.

"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"

"What Daddy?"

"He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down her door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire and then...he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in the window and laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?"

"Daddy..."

"WHAT DO YOU DO?" Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I'd close the blinds, Daddy."

My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks him. "Why?"

"Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help people who needs them...and they won't help.... You always say that neighbors are supposed to HELP neighbors, but they won't help either...they won't help me stop him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself Daddy.....I can't look out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things and...and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds.... so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it is not happening."

I start to cry. My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in the window, looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husband's questions and he says...

"Son"

"Yes, Daddy."

"Open the blinds because that man.... he's at your front door... "WHAT DO YOU DO?"

My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls up his tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without hesitation he says: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM!!!!!"

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs our son to his chest and hugs him tight, and says... "It's too late to fight him, he's too strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife, and his children and the old lady across the way. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before its too late." my husband whispers. THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When good men stand by and let evil happen son, THAT is the greatest atrocity in the world. "YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT!

EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALONE!" BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN! BE PROUD OF OUR TROOPS!! SUPPORT THEM!!! SUPPORT AMERICA SO THAT IN THE FUTURE OUR CHILDREN WILL NEVER HAVE TO CLOSE THEIR BLINDS..."

Originally Posted by ALBOB

This kind of bullshit always cracks me up. My question to you is, SO WHAT? The entire world economy is driven by oil. We're supposed to sit by and NOT protect our interests? Get off the ideological bandwagon and deal with reality.

I wasn't saying I have a problem with it at all. I was just commenting on the initial part of the thread and saying that policing other nations and removing brutual dictators isn't really the motivation for the wars the US enters.

Originally Posted by adrien_j9

My sadness for you stays the same. To base a judgement of someone you've never met so simply is... ignorant, simpleminded...somewhat amusing - giving me something to do while I pass the time at work. Thanks! Please, continue with your, 'oh-so-hurtful' insults!

Your ignorance it truly scary, have you ever in your life thought for yourself???
Its clear that you have not, PT Barnum had people like you pegged years ago.
Pathetic.

I tell terroristic tales to torment the fragile minds of children all the time to cement my reasoning for murdering/victimizing thousands of innocent people. It's one of my favorite pastimes. I know that when they start shedding tears I have them by the throat and will one day be able to toss them at one of my future investments like a little flesh bullet.