Hard Evidence of U.S. Torturing Prisoners to Death

BigDyl · 12-04-2005, 01:02 PM

Hard Evidence of U.S. Torturing Prisoners to Death Ignored by Corporate Media

Military autopsy reports provide indisputable proof that detainees are being tortured to death while in US military custody. Yet the US corporate media are covering it with the seriousness of a garage sale for the local Baptist Church.

A recent American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) posting of one of forty-four US military autopsy reports reads as follows: "Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen, back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers. Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq."

The ACLU website further reveals how: "a 27-year-old Iraqi male died while being interrogated by Navy Seals on April 5, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq. During his confinement he was hooded, flex-cuffed, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood. The exact cause of death was "undetermined" although the autopsy stated that hypothermia may have contributed to his death.

Another Iraqi detainee died on January 9, 2004, in Al Asad, Iraq, while being interrogated. He was standing, shackled to the top of a doorframe with a gag in his mouth, at the time he died. The cause of death was asphyxia and blunt force injuries.

So read several of the 44 US military autopsy reports on the ACLU website -evidence of extensive abuse of US detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan 2002 through 2004. Anthony Romero, Executive Director of ACLU stated, "There is no question that US interrogations have resulted in deaths." ACLU attorney Amrit Sing adds, "These documents present irrefutable evidence that US operatives tortured detainees to death during interrogations."

Additionally, ACLU reports that in April 2003, Secretary Rumsfeld authorized the use of "environmental manipulation" as an interrogation technique in Guantánamo Bay. In September 2003, Lt. Gen. Sanchez also authorized this technique for use in Iraq. So responsibility for these human atrocities goes directly to the highest levels of power.

A press release on these deaths by torture was issued by the ACLU on October 25, 2005 and was immediately picked up by Associated Press and United Press International wire services, making the story available to US corporate media nationwide. A thorough check of Nexus-Lexus and Proquest electronic data bases, using the keywords ACLU and autopsy, showed that at least 95percent of the daily papers in the US didn't bother to pick up the story. The Los Angeles Times covered the story on page A-4 with a 635-word report headlined "Autopsies Support Abuse Allegations." Fewer than a dozen other daily newspapers including: Bangor Daily News, Maine, page 8; Telegraph-Herald, Dubuque Iowa, page 6; Charleston Gazette, page 5; Advocate, Baton Rouge, page 11; and a half dozen others actually covered the story. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Seattle Times buried the story inside general Iraq news articles. USA Today posted the story on their website. MSNBC posted the story to their website, but apparently did not consider it newsworthy enough to air on television.

"The Randi Rhodes Show," on Air America Radio, covered the story. AP/UPI news releases and direct quotes from the ACLU website appeared widely on internet sites and on various news-based listservs around the world, including Common Dreams, Truthout, New Standard, Science Daily, and numerous others.

lnvanry · 12-04-2005, 01:32 PM

IMO cruel and unusual punishment should and MUST be done in order to obtain better intel, which has been root of several problems. If a few (most likely guilty but some innocent as well) muslims must be totured for our cause and intel the so be it; however, we don't need to let this leak out. In the past soldiers took pics...WTF! Keep that shit under wraps. I'm sure this is approach we are going to take anyway. We will do whatever is necessary to get our intel and will continue to use whatever methods work...we will be much more secretive about it too... Some people have commit the greatest sins so the many can live in peace at the cost of a few.

silencer · 12-04-2005, 02:05 PM

Yea, I agree....Fuck those guys, if they are "innocent" well then , tough shit you got caught at the wrong place at the wrong time.(Highly unlikely). As long as the intel is good at stops the killings of thousands of women, children and families then I couldn't give a shit, not one little bit.

lnvanry · 12-04-2005, 02:08 PM

Its nice to hear the same opinion outside the US

BigDyl · 12-04-2005, 02:09 PM

I agree 100,000%.

lnvanry · 12-04-2005, 02:10 PM

I wouldn't have expected that from you Dyl

dougnukem · 12-04-2005, 02:42 PM

I have no idea what you're talking about. We are very nice to the prisoners. We treat them the same way as we're treated as prisoners.

**Mudge** · 12-04-2005, 04:13 PM

Are we beheading now? I didn't know that.

Devlin · 12-04-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dougnukem

I have no idea what you're talking about. We are very nice to the prisoners. We treat them the same way as we're treated as prisoners.

I agree 100%. We need to do what needs to be done to get the intel. Just reminded them that we could resort to Saddam's methods of interrogation instead of just beatings and embarassing pics.

ATOMSPLTR · 12-13-2005, 07:58 AM

I guess they should have talked. That'll learn them.

The Monkey Man · 12-13-2005, 08:15 AM

OOPS -

**Dale Mabry** · 12-13-2005, 08:18 AM

If you are a soldier in a war, you should assume you are going to be mistreated, it's not a tea party.

TJ Cline · 12-13-2005, 08:23 AM

There is a time and place for everything, torture has its place but it has to be the right people, the right way and for the right reasons......
The idea that the good guys where white hats and do things the moral and proper way is a joke.....we are all bloddy killers who don't give a f-ck about the rules.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-13-2005, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The idea that the good guys where white hats

Why they gotta be white...Racist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

we are all bloddy killers who don't give a f-ck about the rules.

Only Foreman's rules.

BigDyl · 12-13-2005, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

There is a time and place for everything, torture has its place but it has to be the right people, the right way and for the right reasons......
The idea that the good guys where white hats and do things the moral and proper way is a joke.....we are all bloddy killers who don't give a f-ck about the rules.

DOMS · 12-13-2005, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

There is a time and place for everything, torture has its place but it has to be the right people, the right way and for the right reasons......
The idea that the good guys where white hats and do things the moral and proper way is a joke.....we are all bloddy killers who don't give a f-ck about the rules.

No one follows the "rules" 100 percent, but some follow it better than others.

US soldiers have not:
But on bomb-laden vest and blown themselves up in the middle of innocent civilians.
Kidnapped aid workers and behedded them.

Just to name a couple of things.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-13-2005, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

No one follows the "rules" 100 percent, but some follow it better than others.

US soldiers have not:
But on bomb-laden vest and blown themselves up in the middle of innocent civilians.
Kidnapped aid workers and behedded them.

Just to name a couple of things.

It's funny, when an Iraqi runs into a crowded marketplace and blows up 50 people we don't even balk, when a stray US missile kills 2 people it is an outrage.

TJ Cline · 12-13-2005, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

No one follows the "rules" 100 percent, but some follow it better than others.

US soldiers have not:
But on bomb-laden vest and blown themselves up in the middle of innocent civilians.
Kidnapped aid workers and behedded them.

Just to name a couple of things.

Terrorism and American troops torturing prisoners are two different things....

Thats like comparing situations when countries have dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.....well only one country has done that.

DOMS · 12-13-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Terrorism and American troops torturing prisoners are two different things....

Thats like comparing situations when countries have dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.....well only one country has done that.

Wrong.

The comparison is valid. They are two side of the same conflict.

DOMS · 12-13-2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

It's funny, when an Iraqi runs into a crowded marketplace and blows up 50 people we don't even balk, when a stray US missile kills 2 people it is an outrage.

So?

When it's Iraqi people being killed you see Iraqis in the street crying and such. When it's the American's that get killed you don't hear anything from the Iraqi people.

TJ Cline · 12-13-2005, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cfs3

Wrong.

The comparison is valid. They are two side of the same conflict.

Nope you are grasping at straws again

DOMS · 12-13-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Nope you are grasping at straws again

Explain to me how I'm "grasping at straws."

TJ Cline · 12-13-2005, 12:42 PM

I did a few posts ago.......no reason for me to do it again since you only are interested in your own opinions.

brogers · 12-13-2005, 12:42 PM

Let's be clear, the atomic bombs dropped on Japan saved far, far more lives than they destroyed. Both Japanese, and American.

Not to mention, those idiots started it with a sneak attack. (Gee wish you could take that one back huh?)

TJ Cline · 12-13-2005, 12:44 PM

No I don't wish that

Killing 100,000+ babys, women and old people and heroic act......get a grip dude!

DOMS · 12-13-2005, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I did a few posts ago.......no reason for me to do it again since you only are interested in your own opinions.

OK, let's revisit your logic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Terrorism and American troops torturing prisoners are two different things....

These are two sides of the same conflict. What the terrorists do is done on, mostly, civilians. What the US soldiers do is done on captured combatants. So yes, they are two different things, but not in the way that you think they are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Thats like comparing situations when countries have dropped atomic bombs on innocent civilians.....well only one country has done that.

Dropping the nukes was done to stop a long and bloody war. The explosive vest wearing terrorists are doing it to demoralize the Iraqi people to pressure them in getting the US soldiers out of Iraq so that they can turn back into a Muslim Dictatorship.

Comparing the soldier-to-soldier fighting of WW2 that led up to the use of nukes to the terrorist bombings in Iraq shows a lack of understanding.

lnvanry · 12-13-2005, 12:55 PM

I don't think Truman and rest of the politicians realized the gravity of a nuclear explosion over a population....that truth was with the scientific community.

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lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,035 Photos: 12	IMO cruel and unusual punishment should and MUST be done in order to obtain better intel, which has been root of several problems. If a few (most likely guilty but some innocent as well) muslims must be totured for our cause and intel the so be it; however, we don't need to let this leak out. In the past soldiers took pics...WTF! Keep that shit under wraps. I'm sure this is approach we are going to take anyway. We will do whatever is necessary to get our intel and will continue to use whatever methods work...we will be much more secretive about it too... Some people have commit the greatest sins so the many can live in peace at the cost of a few.

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silencer Ascendo tuum Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 659	Yea, I agree....Fuck those guys, if they are "innocent" well then , tough shit you got caught at the wrong place at the wrong time.(Highly unlikely). As long as the intel is good at stops the killings of thousands of women, children and families then I couldn't give a shit, not one little bit.

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lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,035 Photos: 12	Its nice to hear the same opinion outside the US

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lnvanry primeau Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix Posts: 3,035 Photos: 12	I wouldn't have expected that from you Dyl

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dougnukem The American Dream Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL Posts: 1,802 Photos: 6	I have no idea what you're talking about. We are very nice to the prisoners. We treat them the same way as we're treated as prisoners.

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