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    PT situation needs advice from other trainers/clients

    Hey folks,

    Just had a situation come up at the gym I train out of. I have been training a guy there 3x/week for about 1.5 years. We have a great relationship and I also train his wife. I landed him as a client because the gym I was at got his wife as a client for me and she set things up between us. He doesn't like the owners and only puts up with them because of me.

    Recently his situation changed and he has decided he wants me to train him at his home 3x per week instead of coming to the gym. When I told the owner this he said that he had problems with it because he wasn't in the business of finding clients for other trainers to train at home and even if I train this guy at home they are still entitled to a cut of the cash (which they have been getting all along because I use their facility). I told him I disagreed and we got into an ethical argument with him.

    My perspective: I'm doing what the client wants and they have made a lot of money off of him already by me keeping him for 1.5 years. They didn't really find him in the first place anyway. Why are they entitled to anything?

    Theirs: I only have that client because of them and therefore they have a right to any dollars I make off of that client even if I'm training him somewhere else.

    Any perspective I'm missing here? I have no contract with these people but I have a feeling if I tell them too bad they will just tell me I'm not welcome there anymore and boot me and try to move my clients to someone else (not that my clients will not leave with me). I'd rather not have to go somewhere else because I've been there for 3 years and all the members know and trust me. Am I being a bastard here because I really don't see how I am but any insight appreciated.
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    Fucking hell....I think the people at the gym have a bloody cheek, I would tell them simply this " I am not using your equipment, therefore I don't owe you anything, even if you did find this client for me, which is HIGHLY DISPUTABLE, the reason I am charged mainly is due to me using your equipment, I am not using your equipment now, so FUCK OFF"

    At the end of the day...You could simply train him and just not tell the gym about it...but better to try get it sorted first in my opinion.

    P.S : Why don't you just tell the client the situation and he can write a letter telling them that the only reason he trained there was because of you, and now he has had enough of their crap.

    Furthermore....Why doesn't he like the Gym ?

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    I considered not telling them but I wanted to be honest about it. Another time being honest backfired on me.
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    ill say it before dale does. "how big are her tits?"

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    Without a "contract" between you and the gym there are several aspects of your arrangement that are wide open to "interpretation".

    Personally, I think you are perfectly within your rights to go train this person in thier home. Now to be PURELY ethical, you would be remiss is you continued to charge this person full fee and NOT pay the gym thier cut. If I understood you correctly, the original fee you charged your client included a % for the gym as well. If you are not using the gym's facilities then you should NOT be charging your client for those facilities and therefore are NOT obligated to pay the gym a dime.

    As far as a "referral fee", that's completly subjective. and exclusively between you and the gym. Without a contract on the matter it basically becomes a "he said/she said" senerio that is neither defendable or enforcable. It's unlikely they can legally force you to pay them but as you well know, it can put a strain on your relationship with the owners. Good luck on that one.
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    I will await an answer for the above question, but give you some advice as well.

    Under no circumstance should you train them at their house and pay the gym any money. They found you the client, but if you are not using their facility, their contribution has ended. If the client will leave with you, it is obviously not the gym that is keeping them there. Plus you will no longer be under the gyms insurance and you will not have the benefit of all of their equipment.

    Having said that, I would just train the client at the gym. If they have a problem with the gym and want to leave, that is up to them. Then you can just train them at home, but make them break off the contract with the gym. If your client threatens to leave, they will lose both the training and the membership fees every month. I see both sides of the argument and you both have points. How does the gym work, they hook you up with clients and take half the money? You might want to work something out to where you lease the use of the gym per month and just give them a set amount of money. If you are prosperous there it will be a better deal.
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    The client has no contract with the gym because he isn't a member, all he does is PT with me and then pays per class/workout if he comes in on his own. He would rather have me come to him because he likes the convenience and can afford it. So really they have no right to the client other than the standpoint that I wouldn't have him if it wasn't for them (and that is debatable).
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    Ask if you can just give them a referral fee, prolly wono't work, but a one time fee is better than paying them a percentage.
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    i don't see how they have any right to ask you for money once the person has left the gym. fuck the gym, charge the guy less money but cash so all of it goes into your pocket. it'll come out better for the guy, he's paying less money, and better for you since you'll probably end up making more money per session. If the manager or whoever asks you what happened to that client, you tell em they stopped training with you, once the client leaves the gym he can do what he wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ponyboy
    I considered not telling them but I wanted to be honest about it. Another time being honest backfired on me.
    Their you go....to be honest in busniss is sometimes a mistake. It is none of their business what you do outside their gym so just lie to them and go about your merry way.
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    Is the chick hot?
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    It's not a chick, it's a guy. His wife is hot (for a 46 year old). I train her too but she's not the one I'm having issues about. She's happy to stay at the gym and do her thing there.
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    First off he wasn't brought in by the gym, his wife introduced him to you so the gym should give her a discount for bringing in new clients. Second he's not obligated to the gym and if he wants to hire your services as a private citizen then he has the right to without the gym he happened to once use but was never a member of getting their grubby mitts in on the transaction.
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    I think manic said it pretty well..even though he used the phrase: "grubby mitts" in a public manner....
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    Wait, is what manic said true? If that is the case I would break it down for the gym owner. Just train the woman there and him at home, if the gym has a problem with that, steal both clients, they won't want to lose 2 peeps.
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