Thread: "...America is addicted to oil..."

Plausible...but the US' "eggs" are the world's eggs. If the US falls the world is going to go to hell in a handbasket. Economic considerations aside, the world would be losing its alpha male. The carnage would be spectacular.

Originally Posted by John H.

Solar energy, an unlimited source together with damn good very efficient universal batteries that could be utilized by any vehicle that get at least 300 miles per day would be a good start......

I think that would be a good END. A good START would be to stop importing foreign oil and start drilling our own. We've got access to more oil than they ever had; right here in the CONUS, right off our shores and up in Alaska. We just can't find the balls to tell all the damn tree huggers to go fuck themselves long enough to go get it.

Originally Posted by John H.

Solar energy, an unlimited source together with damn good very efficient universal batteries that could be utilized by any vehicle that get at least 300 miles per day would be a good start.....

You know what else would be a good start? A little box that opened and closed, and whenever you opened it, out popped the solution to a world problem that scientists have been teeming over for decades trying to solve, yet can't seem to solve due to the fact that these wonderful things are expensive as shit, unreliable, bulky and oh yeah, expensive as shit. Maybe a plate of food would pop out that was never empty, it could feed every human on earth, and in that food was the vaccine for every disease there ever was, oh and it made you crap money which let off an aroma that made everyone get along, sing songs, have big multisex, freedom loving, goverment and religious free love sessions.

Not me, I'm addicted to Anabolic Steroids, alcohol and Pussy and in that order.

Originally Posted by John H.

"...America is addicted to oil..."

Really? "...addicted..."?

So says President Bush.

Well, here are some facts:

Many Americans must drive to and from work everyday - for many there is no alternative.....

The USA has all its "eggs" in one basket and is an accident waiting to happen.

Why do Americans drive to work everyday in large metropolitan areas when they should be using rail and bus? Read about what an oil company did in Los Angeles. The LA area, from San Bernadino, to Long Beach, up to the San Fernando Valley used to have the most comprehensive public transportation system in the U.S. Why was it demolished?

And yes, the U.S. has all of it's eggs in one basked when it comes to dependence on oil. Geel, I wonder why Americans are in Iraq?

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I think that would be a good END. A good START would be to stop importing foreign oil and start drilling our own. We've got access to more oil than they ever had; right here in the CONUS, right off our shores and up in Alaska. We just can't find the balls to tell all the damn tree huggers to go fuck themselves long enough to go get it.

It really can't be said any better than ALBOB said it. He has hit the nail right on the head.

I'll take it a step further. What has fucked the us economy is Bill Clinton, by opening up free trade with China. US megastores like WalMart, Costco, Target, Sam's Club, etc. etc.... now take the manufacturing of the components that build the consumables that you kids and adults buy at the lowest price, out of the United States. It puts people who work in our factories out of work. Bottom line. We ship stuff like plastic and wool out of the Port of Long Beach. They get container ships back in delivering tv's clothes and parts for your car. It's a lot more serious problem then oil. You could fix the US economy by closing, or heavily taxing imports from China and drilling oil in the Continental US.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Plausible...but the US' "eggs" are the world's eggs. If the US falls the world is going to go to hell in a handbasket. Economic considerations aside, the world would be losing its alpha male. The carnage would be spectacular.

Hi DOMS,

You are probably right.

But in the VERY BEST INTERESTS OF ALL AMERICANS - NOT just the rich - we'd be much better off getting away from oil as a fuel in all forms and go completely solar. The "bugs" regarding solar such as lack of sunlight in some areas could be worked out by a meeting of the finest scientific minds in this country and they could also develop a battery that would be universal - used in any vehicle so there would be no need for thousands of models - that would get say about 300 miles daily to a charge for "starters"...

The end result going solar would be vastly no noise comparatively, no pollution, no health problems, no dependency on foreign oil, etc. The benefits certainly seem to SCREAM "DO IT NOW AND FAST"!!!!!!

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I think that would be a good END. A good START would be to stop importing foreign oil and start drilling our own. We've got access to more oil than they ever had; right here in the CONUS, right off our shores and up in Alaska. We just can't find the balls to tell all the damn tree huggers to go fuck themselves long enough to go get it.

Hi ALBOB,

I am not for drilling in the USA for huge quantities of oil except for lubrication uses only NOT for oil as a fuel. WHY use up what reserves there might be in this country wastefully? Using oil as a lubricant would allow oil to LAST MUCH LONGER: blowing it out the tailpipe is STUPID, WASTEFUL, ENVIRONMENTALLY WRONG, etc. Those "tree-huggers" you speak of are saving our lives whether you want to agree with that or not or see that is true or not. When the supply of oil in this country is gone what about future generations? Think about them NOW not later!!!

Take Care, John H.

My thought is this: Get the best and brightest minds from the US, England, and Japan. Not just chemists, but economists as well. Give them a deadline of 2 years to come up with a gas alternative that allow a standard engine to be converted. This way the consumer doesn't need to buy a new car or engine. Provide a tex ensentive for those who do the conversion. Set a deadline of five years after that point to make gas engines illegal (except in historical cars).

Fund this project with a measly 100 million per country. Buget out the 300 million over the two year (41 million per month). Tell the thinktank that the sooner they come up with a viable solution, the bigger the bonus they get in the form of whatever budget is left over gets divided up among them, tax free.

I bet we would have a solution in less than one year.

The last thing to do would be to laught a the Venezuela’s president and tell him to go fuck himself and then lock his shitty little country out of the US market (no matter the export).

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi DOMS,

You are probably right.

But in the VERY BEST INTERESTS OF ALL AMERICANS - NOT just the rich - we'd be much better off getting away from oil as a fuel in all forms and go completely solar. The "bugs" regarding solar such as lack of sunlight in some areas could be worked out by a meeting of the finest scientific minds in this country and they could also develop a battery that would be universal - used in any vehicle so there would be no need for thousands of models - that would get say about 300 miles daily to a charge for "starters"...

The end result going solar would be vastly no noise comparatively, no pollution, no health problems, no dependency on foreign oil, etc. The benefits certainly seem to SCREAM "DO IT NOW AND FAST"!!!!!!

Take Care, John H.

You're not wrong, just a bit unrealistic. My wife worked in R&D in the solar industry for a few years and believe me, the finest scientific minds in the WORLD are already working the problems. There's HUGE $$$ for anyone who solves the generation and storage problems. Those are the two stumbling bolcks; generating enough current to be of any use and, storage of the generated power. Current can be solved at this time by just throwing more cells at the problem. The more cells collecting energy, the more energy you get. They now have building panels that double as solar collectors. You see all those pretty glass buildings? That glass will be collecting solar energy. Then you hit the problem of storage. To store that much energy, at this time, you'ld need a bank of batteries as big as the building itself. Definitely not practicle. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, it just isn't an option at this time. So, in the meantime, what do we do? Drill our own damn oil.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

Why do Americans drive to work everyday in large metropolitan areas when they should be using rail and bus? Read about what an oil company did in Los Angeles. The LA area, from San Bernadino, to Long Beach, up to the San Fernando Valley used to have the most comprehensive public transportation system in the U.S. Why was it demolished?

And yes, the U.S. has all of it's eggs in one basked when it comes to dependence on oil. Geel, I wonder why Americans are in Iraq?

Hi Mr.,

Many areas of the country do not have mass transit of any kind. And many Americans drives long distances to work because they live in outlying areas...

There used to be mass transit in California in the form of Interurbans, something way ahead of its time and it was totally demolished. They also existed in other areas of the U. S. including, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois - you could ride an Interurban from say Indiana all the way to New England at one time.

We also had the BEST passenger railroad system in the world and we scrapped that as well. Yet the rest of the world embraces and supports their rail passenger transportation. I will say that in the U. S. a COMBINATION of rail passenger transportation, freight rail transportation AND highway transportation should be supported because ALL forms can benefit all the people and this country. The airline industry and the highway industry are tax supported yet the railroad industry is basically not, at least not on the same scale...

Solar energy is the way to go I feel and I believe getting our finest minds to work out the bugs will bring this country around very well and for ever - at least as long as the sun survives...

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by boilermaker

It really can't be said any better than ALBOB said it. He has hit the nail right on the head.

I'll take it a step further. What has fucked the us economy is Bill Clinton, by opening up free trade with China. US megastores like WalMart, Costco, Target, Sam's Club, etc. etc.... now take the manufacturing of the components that build the consumables that you kids and adults buy at the lowest price, out of the United States. It puts people who work in our factories out of work. Bottom line. We ship stuff like plastic and wool out of the Port of Long Beach. They get container ships back in delivering tv's clothes and parts for your car. It's a lot more serious problem then oil. You could fix the US economy by closing, or heavily taxing imports from China and drilling oil in the Continental US.

Hi Boilermaker,

It started when Richard Nixon was President ( around 1972) - another Republican - when he "normalized relations" with China...

During Nixon's term of office is also when the shit hit the fan with oil and the price started going crazy. We SHOULD have THEN considered that economic war was being declared on the USA and got all our finest minds from all walks of life together and SOLVED the energy problem once and for all!!!

I am not for more drilling of oil, especially domestically, for fuel consumption. Look what happened to the Alaska Oil - it went to Japan. ALL OF IT!! And that is not even mentioning the PROBLEMS with using oil as a fuel.

No, SOLAR energy is the way to go. As long as the sun lives we would have an unlimited supply of energy - inexpensive too.

Take Care, John H.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by DOMS

My thought is this: Get the best and brightest minds from the US, England, and Japan. Not just chemists, but economists as well. Give them a deadline of 2 years to come up with a gas alternative that allow a standard engine to be converted. This way the consumer doesn't need to buy a new car or engine. Provide a tex ensentive for those who do the conversion. Set a deadline of five years after that point to make gas engines illegal (except in historical cars).

Fund this project with a measly 100 million per country. Buget out the 300 million over the two year (41 million per month). Tell the thinktank that the sooner they come up with a viable solution, the bigger the bonus they get in the form of whatever budget is left over gets divided up among them, tax free.

I bet we would have a solution in less than one year.

The last thing to do would be to laught a the Venezuela’s president and tell him to go fuck himself and then lock his shitty little country out of the US market (no matter the export).

Hi DOMS,

I'd favor getting EVERYONE INTERESTED into the discussion and FIND the solutions - even the Man on the street which is where many real ideas come from. The Common Man!! Include EVERYONE!!! DO IT!!!!! Consider ALL ideas and options without bias or prejudice of any kind (although I certainly would want to know how "wealthy" any participant was and what was their motives!!!!)! Some ONE or someBODY has the answer. We just have to FOCUS ON GETTING THE SOLUTIONS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We should have done this probably around 1920 when this country started visiting the Middle East for oil....

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

You're not wrong, just a bit unrealistic. My wife worked in R&D in the solar industry for a few years and believe me, the finest scientific minds in the WORLD are already working the problems. There's HUGE $$$ for anyone who solves the generation and storage problems. Those are the two stumbling bolcks; generating enough current to be of any use and, storage of the generated power. Current can be solved at this time by just throwing more cells at the problem. The more cells collecting energy, the more energy you get. They now have building panels that double as solar collectors. You see all those pretty glass buildings? That glass will be collecting solar energy. Then you hit the problem of storage. To store that much energy, at this time, you'ld need a bank of batteries as big as the building itself. Definitely not practicle. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong, it just isn't an option at this time. So, in the meantime, what do we do? Drill our own damn oil.

Hi ALBOB,

I completely see what you are saying!

I still feel we NEED to GET GOING with Solar Energy because I feel the problems can be solved IF we really put our best efforts into it HONESTLY!!! I know there are some bugs to work out. I feel getting everyone involved will bring the answers we need. Oil for fuel is NOT good and never really has been. It pollutes, as vehicles are now designed it is very wasteful, very harmful to the environment which affects everyone, the gas and oil engines are very noisy, etc.

We did drill our own oil in Alaska and gave it to Japan!

George Bush, the President of the USA, in my opinion was completely STUPID for saying "...Americans are addicted to oil...". Americans NEED to be able to get around to do daily business, work, shop, heat their homes, etc., they need a form of transportation that will allow all daily activities - that takes energy. Car manufacturers, and others, that design what we are forced to buy are the problem along with the oil industry.

And if anyone is "addicted" to anything it is those who are PORNOGRAPHICALLY WEALTHY because of the profits they have received from SCREWING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC!!!! George Bush SHOULD BE FOCUSSING ON THOSE PEOPLE - probably a lot of his friends.... And he talks about "addiction"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : His comments and actions - or inaction - only show who he personally "favors".



Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I think that would be a good END. A good START would be to stop importing foreign oil and start drilling our own. We've got access to more oil than they ever had; right here in the CONUS, right off our shores and up in Alaska. We just can't find the balls to tell all the damn tree huggers to go fuck themselves long enough to go get it.

So instead of paying habib $2.20 a gallon we will pay John $2.20 a gallon. Don't see the difference, only that the top 1% will get richer.

I Like gococks' box method, it sounds like the lock box Gore was talking about when he invented the internet.

Lock boxes are meaningless. Your mom had one and I picked it rather quickly.

'huh who said sumthing about oil, bitch you cooking?..... oil?

the answer is nuclear. if we used nuclear power for our static electricity needs and by that i mean heating our homes, lighting our houses and such we would cut our consumption of oil by 1/3. a pretty signifigant margin. and besides i like the idea of using everyone elses oil first and saving ours for last. seems like good economic policy. nuclear power is a proven technology something solar power is not.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

the answer is nuclear. if we used nuclear power for our static electricity needs and by that i mean heating our homes, lighting our houses and such we would cut our consumption of oil by 1/3. a pretty signifigant margin. and besides i like the idea of using everyone elses oil first and saving ours for last. seems like good economic policy. nuclear power is a proven technology something solar power is not.

Nuclear plants have short life spans and the waste from them is radioactive, they are huge hazards to their surrounding communities and are centralized allowing one well placed bomb to down a whole areas power-grid.

Solar energy (my specialty) encompasses several different types from PV to Concentrated mirrors heating molten salt that runs through pipes under water producing steam to turn turbines. If you come to Hawaii you'll see the Navy housing neighborhood across from the Airport has every home outfitted with Solar Thermal collectors provided by my company to heat their water daily.

Then right past that you'll see the Harley Davidson Store with a roof covered by solar electric panels. As we speak crews in Germany are busy installing megawatts of solar electric as they have been for the last year. Not mention all of the skylights we sell daily so that people can use natural sunlight to light their homes and not use lightbulbs. Then there's all of those expanses of wind swept empty country where large wind turbines spin out constant jolts of energy.

oh and don't forget the wave machines that use the ebb and flow of the ocean to spin turbines.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

the answer is nuclear. if we used nuclear power for our static electricity needs and by that i mean heating our homes, lighting our houses and such we would cut our consumption of oil by 1/3. a pretty signifigant margin. and besides i like the idea of using everyone elses oil first and saving ours for last. seems like good economic policy. nuclear power is a proven technology something solar power is not.

Bio:

There are real problems with nuclear: what to do with all the waste byproduct. And there is a massive amount no one knows what to do with and the pile keeps getting bigger. And last I heard millions of years are needed to get rid of the waste....

Why create a problem you do not need and can not solve? I'm for solar because I feel the problems can be worked out if we put people to work on it to solve them and as far as I know there are no "after-effects" and waste as with nuclear and it is much safer and cleaner.

John H.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

So instead of paying habib $2.20 a gallon we will pay John $2.20 a gallon. Don't see the difference, only that the top 1% will get richer.

I Like gococks' box method, it sounds like the lock box Gore was talking about when he invented the internet.

Hi Dale,

There is a problem here as it might regard me as you state: I am not into the raping (unless it is a "variation" we all "agree on" and will "bebefit" all... ) and stealing from others so you can not put me in this group.

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by topolo

Lock boxes are meaningless. Your mom had one and I picked it rather quickly.

Hi Topolo,

Actually "lock boxes" can be very "beneficial" - as a form of "teasing" ........

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Nuclear plants have short life spans and the waste from them is radioactive, they are huge hazards to their surrounding communities and are centralized allowing one well placed bomb to down a whole areas power-grid.

Solar energy (my specialty) encompasses several different types from PV to Concentrated mirrors heating molten salt that runs through pipes under water producing steam to turn turbines. If you come to Hawaii you'll see the Navy housing neighborhood across from the Airport has every home outfitted with Solar Thermal collectors provided by my company to heat their water daily.

Then right past that you'll see the Harley Davidson Store with a roof covered by solar electric panels. As we speak crews in Germany are busy installing megawatts of solar electric as they have been for the last year. Not mention all of the skylights we sell daily so that people can use natural sunlight to light their homes and not use lightbulbs. Then there's all of those expanses of wind swept empty country where large wind turbines spin out constant jolts of energy.

Hi Maniclion,

I'm for solar energy - it has the best possibilities and the least harm and the sky is the limit....

Railroads are going "Fuel Cell" power with their locomotives of the future (see RAILWAY AGE, December, 2005, issue). Railroads feel they can double the power of their locomotives with Fuel Cell Locomotives...No more diesels...

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by maniclion

oh and don't forget the wave machines that use the ebb and flow of the ocean to spin turbines.

Hi Maniclion,

More possibilities from this method that can have unlimited sources for power and no pollution....

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by maniclion

Nuclear plants have short life spans and the waste from them is radioactive, they are huge hazards to their surrounding communities and are centralized allowing one well placed bomb to down a whole areas power-grid.

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short life spans of 50 years or so. and thats for the ones currently in use not the next generation stuff that is amazing. huge hazards to the sourounding communities? hardly. go to any community that currently has a running nuclear power plant and they will be its greatest supporters. one well placed bomb? that could be said about any type of power generating plant. and try and get a bomb to where it would do damage at a nuclear power plant. its a lot more difficult than you think.

most major power generating stations have periods of peak "on-time" and time periods where they do not produce power. hydroelectric is seasonal and oil, natural-gas, nuclear, solar, and wind all have time periods where they do not produce, yet i havent seen power outages over it. it would be easier taking out a transformer with a bomb to take out the power grid.

the issue of waste generation at a nuclear power plant is old and hashed out. if people look at the facts its really not that big a deal. most of the waste can simply be incenerated, and the high level stuff has two options leave it in a pool of water until it "cools down" which does take millions of years to go to lead, however to safely trasport it it only takes a few years.
then we ship it to yucca mountain . people say there are a lot of what ifs over this plan. however the earth has been shown to handle this type of waste effectively as shown in the natural nuclear reactors of Oklo Africka

nuclear power is the solution to americas energy needs for the forseable future.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

short life spans of 50 years or so. and thats for the ones currently in use not the next generation stuff that is amazing. huge hazards to the sourounding communities? hardly. go to any community that currently has a running nuclear power plant and they will be its greatest supporters. one well placed bomb? that could be said about any type of power generating plant. and try and get a bomb to where it would do damage at a nuclear power plant. its a lot more difficult than you think.

most major power generating stations have periods of peak "on-time" and time periods where they do not produce power. hydroelectric is seasonal and oil, natural-gas, nuclear, solar, and wind all have time periods where they do not produce, yet i havent seen power outages over it. it would be easier taking out a transformer with a bomb to take out the power grid.

the issue of waste generation at a nuclear power plant is old and hashed out. if people look at the facts its really not that big a deal. most of the waste can simply be incenerated, and the high level stuff has two options leave it in a pool of water until it "cools down" which does take millions of years to go to lead, however to safely trasport it it only takes a few years.
then we ship it to yucca mountain . people say there are a lot of what ifs over this plan. however the earth has been shown to handle this type of waste effectively as shown in the natural nuclear reactors of Oklo Africka

nuclear power is the solution to americas energy needs for the forseable future.

I agree, nuclear fusion is the answer.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I agree, nuclear fusion is the answer.

ha ha ha. good one