Thread: Mr. Bush, the truth shall set you free....

True story: If you are a Christian and voted for GWB you are going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

True story: If you are a Christian and voted for GWB you are going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity.

I know Chrisitians that think Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread only because he is Christian, they cannot see past that and admit what a fuck-up he is. Bush may be smarter than we give him credit for, he got elected on his supposed religeous faith, which I seriously question.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I know Chrisitians that think Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread only because he is Christian, they cannot see past that and admit what a fuck-up he is. Bush may be smarter than we give him credit for, he got elected on his supposed religeous faith, which I seriously question.

That doesn't make you smart, it makes you a terd head.

Voting on a political candidate based on his religious beliefs is moronic(I hope thats a word). Personally I think there is a god and I'm a baptized catholic but I dont follow it or ne other religion and I never will. Anyway the separation of church and state doesn't work if somebody gets elected for following a specific religion. Although I'd much rather have a christian than anything else. A person doesn't need to be religious to have morals and such.

Bush was a wasted president, but in all fairness I think hes done a better job than Gore or Kerry would've.

I am Christian
I voted for him twice
I am not particularly fond of him, he was just much, much better than Gore and much better than Kerry.
I can't say he is a disappointment b/c I never really expected very much.
I think the mindless Bush-bashing and Christian-bashing on this site makes you guys look like ignorant assholes.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I know Chrisitians that think Bush is the greatest thing since sliced bread only because he is Christian, they cannot see past that and admit what a fuck-up he is. Bush may be smarter than we give him credit for, he got elected on his supposed religeous faith, which I seriously question.

Robert has a very good point.

W. Bush knew ten years ago, that he needed the Christian base. Without the Christian base he could not have risen in politics.

Staffers do say Bush read the Bible every morning, but what we've never really know is what type of Christian he is. (His father was Episcapalian.)

He very well might not be Christian.

And this ain't the first time. I remember when Bill Clinton would go to church on Sunday, and carry a bible in his hand, and the photographers would take photos so goint to church and he waved and acknowledged the journalists.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I am Christian
I voted for him twice
I am not particularly fond of him, he was just much, much better than Gore and much better than Kerry.
I can't say he is a disappointment b/c I never really expected very much.
I think the mindless Bush-bashing and Christian-bashing on this site makes you guys look like ignorant assholes.

Kerry, Gore and Bush were all scary choices...is that the best we have???? Or the best money can buy??

When the Democrats get into office next election I will bash them as much or more than GWB......we will see if you defend them or just play the " ignorant" party man role.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I am Christian
I voted for him twice....

I think the mindless Bush-bashing and Christian-bashing on this site makes you guys look like ignorant assholes.

Pepper, I don't think it's mindless bashing of Bush nor Christians.

The Evangelical Christians are people that claim to be "born again."

This group and other Christian groups are very organized at the Grass Roots level, and they are also putting "stealth" candidates to run for City Council.

I would prefer that Christians don't mobilize their congregation members in elections, but they do.

They do this gain political power and influence.

Just like any other special interest.

I don't think voting for someone of your religion is wrong, typically religion forms your basis for what's right/wrong so it would not be off to figure a christian prez would be more appealing to those who are heavily christian.

I think Bush is better than Gore would have been, but not Kerry, which is why I voted Bush the 1st time. The attacks made on Kerry (Flip-flopper) were way overplayed, similar to how the Republican primary went with McCain. He was labeled a flip-flopper, but most of the things he flip-flopped on were justifiable. He went to war, decided it was wrong, then left it. Looking back most Americans look at that war as a mistake anyway. He flip-flopped on Iraq, who in their right mind can support that war now. And to have 2 draft dodgers critiquing his war record is ridiculous. The only thing one can say is that Iraq would have been more fucked up and he would have just pulled us out of there. The way things are looking, that is probably what is going to happen anyway, it will just take a little longer.

I still say, any republican aside from McCain will lose in 2008. I have a feeling the GOP lost Louisiana and possibly Mississippi with the whole Katrina thing, even though it was a messed up system before Bush came in. Interesting, not responsible for a war that he started, responsible for something that he had nothing to do with.

Great post Dale!

Originally Posted by Pepper

I am not particularly fond of him, he was just much, much better than Gore and much better than Kerry.

First of all you do not know this, secondly could have anyone done a worse job than Bush has? I cannot imagine anyone could fuck up more than he has.

Originally Posted by topolo

Great post Dale!

Thanks buddy, yur opinion means the world to me, now go rub one out.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I still say, any republican aside from McCain will lose in 2008. I have a feeling the GOP lost Louisiana and possibly Mississippi with the whole Katrina thing, even though it was a messed up system before Bush came in. Interesting, not responsible for a war that he started, responsible for something that he had nothing to do with.

I don't think 2008 matters. Hillary will get her party's nomination, but this country will NEVER elect her. NEVER.

Having said that, I hope McCain gets the GOP nomination.. and think he will.

I don't think she will get the nomination, but if she did, I would still think she will beat a far right leaning GOP pick. You don't think she could win because you are on the right. People on the right obviously won't vote for her, and people on the left will. Problem is, the US is becoming more made up of people in the middle and the GOP is going down the crapper with all of this faith based policy.

Originally Posted by topolo

Great post Dale!

Ghey

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Thanks buddy, yur opinion means the world to me, now go rub one out.

Very Ghey

If you want to vote based on religion then fine. However, you should at least vote for someone who actually promotes policy synonymous with their supposed religion. I don't think pre-emptive war is a very Christian act, and neither is the death penalty that Bush loves oh so much, among many other things. Granted, he is against abortion, and supports creationism in schools (Okay I don't consider this Christian; I consider it stupid), but that's about where it ends.

of course does Bush really act in a Christan way? He sure has caused a lot of death...well, wait a minute that is what religions do.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I'm going to have nightmares...

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I didn't know G-dub had jaundice, that sucks.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I don't think she will get the nomination, but if she did, I would still think she will beat a far right leaning GOP pick. You don't think she could win because you are on the right. People on the right obviously won't vote for her, and people on the left will. Problem is, the US is becoming more made up of people in the middle and the GOP is going down the crapper with all of this faith based policy.

GOP media rep is going down the crapper...along with the media "fair" polls that put his approval rating at 40%. This comes from the same source that said Kerry won the election after its exit polls.

IMO his support is much closer to 50%. THere is this redneck/country/evangelical portion is our country that doesn't get represented until the end of an election...

No way Hiliary wins in 2008. THe dems would be far better with Obama. She's a smart politican, but she has been coming off to hawkish lately. When she speaks firmly to act like she's tough on security, she comes off as a serial killer.




It would be weird to have a presidency history of: Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton...?

-maybe there is someone else pulling these strings???

Originally Posted by Pepper

I am Christian
I voted for him twice
I am not particularly fond of him, he was just much, much better than Gore and much better than Kerry.
I can't say he is a disappointment b/c I never really expected very much.
I think the mindless Bush-bashing and Christian-bashing on this site makes you guys look like ignorant assholes.

Hi Pepper,

I GOTTA ask you - WHY would you vote for someone and NOT expect much of them? Especially someone who would be President of the USA? That makes absolutely no sense. I'd NEVER waste my vote that way - WHY would you?

Bush KNOWS how to lie and DOES THAT as often as he feels is needed - which by now is probably 100% of the time.

All I can say about those that DID vote for Bush is that he sure PROVES people CAN BE LED by the "nose" and LIED to and get away with it - you'd have thought people would have learned from that other LIAR Ronald Regan - he lied just like a rug and the ONLY thing I would give him would be ALL the "Oscar" Awards because HE SURE WAS AN ACTOR and BULLSHITED the people BIGTIME!!! Hell he could have stood in the middle of Washington, D. C. and had MILLIONS of people that could SEE every move he made TOTALLY and shot someone and got completely away with it because he could talk his way out of anything... He too led this country down the tiolet!!! Bush is no different! Except maybe "less charisma"....

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Kerry, Gore and Bush were all scary choices...is that the best we have???? Or the best money can buy??

When the Democrats get into office next election I will bash them as much or more than GWB......we will see if you defend them or just play the " ignorant" party man role.

Hi Foreman,

Remember, it's "George (Herbert Hoover) Bush" - 'cause that is where this country is headed! And because the religious types voted him in. In history and throughout it religion has been the cause of war, killing, hatred, murder, you name it!

Take Care, John H.

Originally Posted by busyLivin

I don't think 2008 matters. Hillary will get her party's nomination, but this country will NEVER elect her. NEVER.

Having said that, I hope McCain gets the GOP nomination.. and think he will.

Hillary Clinton is the Republican favorite for the nomination - not the Democratic. The Repubs have been pushing her for years, which could end up blowing back in their face.

McCain has way too much baggage, all of which would come back out - after all, it was Karl Rove and the Bush campaign who creatively loaded him down with that baggage when he ran against Bush in the primaries. He also can't figure out his own positions - he's trying to kiss evangelical butt, which turns more moderates in the Party against him every time. There is a growing backlash against the theocrats who took over the Republican Party and that is really going to hurt him unless he builds more distance.

As for voting along religious lines, the Constitution strictly forbids religion as a litmus test for holding public office. Religion is not the sole author of either knowledge nor morality - those citizens who require membership in their churches as a prerequisite for supporting a candidate are going to have a lot of losing politicians on their side of the aisle. The more the Republican Party associates itself with the theocrats, the more they'll suffer in the elections - we have seen what giving the government to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell has done.

Originally Posted by lnvanry

GOP media rep is going down the crapper...along with the media "fair" polls that put his approval rating at 40%. This comes from the same source that said Kerry won the election after its exit polls.

IMO his support is much closer to 50%. THere is this redneck/country/evangelical portion is our country that doesn't get represented until the end of an election...

Think again. Polls can be mistaken, but not when every one of them records Bush's popularity at well below 50% every month for the last year. That includes Faux News polls, which are notoriously skewed for the Right. A good month for the Prez is when he actually hits 40% approval. And the Republican Congress is in even worse shape. Hell, even Cheney is less popular than OJ Simpson, and barely beats out Paris Hilton.

No way Hiliary wins in 2008. THe dems would be far better with Obama. She's a smart politican, but she has been coming off to hawkish lately. When she speaks firmly to act like she's tough on security, she comes off as a serial killer.

Again, it is the Republicans who are running Hillary Clinton. They do all the talking about her. . .which means they must be afraid of something. If they are that afraid, I'd say right now most people would vote for her just to get rid of the faux christian culture of corruption trash running the show now.




It would be weird to have a presidency history of: Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton...?

-maybe there is someone else pulling these strings???

Now that I would almost believe. . .but hell, China will be appointing the Prez soon enough at the rate we auction off our country to any bidder.

Originally Posted by John H.

Hi Pepper,


Bush KNOWS how to lie and DOES THAT as often as he feels is needed - which by now is probably 100% of the time.

.

One does wonder what christian principle supports lying.

Originally Posted by kbm8795

As for voting along religious lines, the Constitution strictly forbids religion as a litmus test for holding public office. Religion is not the sole author of either knowledge nor morality - those citizens who require membership in their churches as a prerequisite for supporting a candidate are going to have a lot of losing politicians on their side of the aisle. The more the Republican Party associates itself with the theocrats, the more they'll suffer in the elections - we have seen what giving the government to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell has done.

What happened to voting for someone who agrees with your positions? I vote for that candidate, and as a religious person I choose to vote for pro-life candidates. I'm afforded the same vote you are, and there are no requirements for whom I chose or who I feel is the better candidate. That's the beauty of voting: the majority wins. If the "religous right" outnumber you, move!

And you can harp on the Republicans all you want.. but until the Democrats start winning at the voting booth, you really can't say they are "suffering."

Who cares if you are a religious person or not? If your positions are dictated by the minister of your church, that's your problem. This isn't a theocracy - voting on the basis of wishing to establish one is disrespectful of the Constitution. You wanna vote for someone because they go to your church and have sworn allegiance to the Pope rather than the Constitution, then that's your statement of patriotism. . .the same statement Republican Moonies make when they cast a ballot for their moonie candidates and declare the owner of the wingnut Washington Times "monarch of America."

The point is that you cannot demand (as some evangelicals have) that candidates for public office declare their religious beliefs and their commitment to them in order to get your vote.