Evolution: If It Walks Like a Fish ...

**min0 lee** · 04-09-2006, 07:46 AM

Newsweek

April 17, 2006 issue - Darwin predicted that the "missing links" of evolution—gaps in the fossil record between related species—would come to haunt his theory. He was right: even today, they're a major theme in the effort to discredit evolution with the public. Which is why there was such a stir about a paper in the journal Nature last week describing a 375 million-year-old creature dug from rocks in the Canadian Arctic. It's a four-foot-long, crocodile-headed fish with scales, gills—and primitive wrist- and fingerlike bones in its fins. Given the Inuit name Tiktaalik, the specimen neatly splits the gap between fossil fish that lived about 385 million years ago and the four-legged amphibians that came 20 million years later.

Until recently, scientists believed that legs evolved when a warming climate dried up ponds and swamps. But Tiktaalik supports the view that legs evolved in water, among fish living in what was then a tropical river delta—perhaps to help them crawl to shallows where larger predators couldn't follow. "It really blurs the distinction between land and water animals," says Neil Shubin of the University of Chicago, who led the team that found the fossil.
Shubin didn't set out to score points for Darwinism, but the implications of his find are obvious: Tiktaalik could turn out to be as iconic as Archaeopteryx, the fossil link between dinosaurs and birds. The Discovery Institute, which promotes "intelligent design" as an alternative to Darwin, was quick to assert that Tiktaalik "poses no threat to [ID] ... Few leading [ID] researchers have argued against the existence of transitional forms." Those "leading researchers" may know better, but the fossil gaps are cited many times in the controversial ID textbook "Of Pandas and People." The book takes particular note of the large difference between "the oldest amphibian" and "its presumed [fish] ancestor." It's a gap wide enough for a fish to walk through—and now we know that one did.

**min0 lee** · 04-09-2006, 07:49 AM

**min0 lee** · 04-09-2006, 07:50 AM

**Steele20** · 04-09-2006, 10:30 AM

-1 for god people

**maniclion** · 04-10-2006, 02:59 PM

Tadpoles to frogs was enough for me.

**Steele20** · 04-10-2006, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by maniclion

Tadpoles to frogs was enough for me.

That's not evolution...

**TJ Cline** · 04-10-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by maniclion

Tadpoles to frogs was enough for me.

Originally Posted by Steele20

That's not evolution...

Prove it

**Steele20** · 04-10-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Prove it

It's metamorphosis, look it up.

**TJ Cline** · 04-10-2006, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Steele20

It's metamorphosis, look it up.

metamorphosis followed a series of forms representing evolutionary ancestors of the species

oops you were wrong son

**Bazooka Tooth** · 04-10-2006, 04:01 PM

I sometimes walk like an Egyptian....I heard that I walk a lot like King Tut used too....maybe we are related?

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 04:02 PM

Macro evolution is a crock.

So sayeth Pepper.

**Steele20** · 04-10-2006, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

metamorphosis followed a series of forms representing evolutionary ancestors of the species

oops you were wrong son

Soon as you understand what you just said I'll admit I was wrong.

**MyK** · 04-10-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Macro evolution is a crock.

So sayeth Pepper.

I think that there was an old man in the sky who created the whole universe in 7 days!

**maniclion** · 04-10-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Steele20

That's not evolution...

Caterpillars to Butterflys, tadpoles to frogs, yet ones an insect that flys like a bird and the others an amphibian that can live underwater like a fish or on land like a reptile. Obviously theres a connection in there someplace.

**maniclion** · 04-10-2006, 05:12 PM

"An idea is more important than a monument and the advancement of Man's knowledge more miraculous than all the sticks turned to snakes and the parting of the waters."

**TJ Cline** · 04-10-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Steele20

Soon as you understand what you just said I'll admit I was wrong.

I see you will never learn, sad but typical.

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

I think that there was an old man in the sky who created the whole universe in 7 days!

Like that is harder to believe than "we evolved."

Explain how an eye evolves? Not just the eye ball but the entire system. The retina, the nervous system, a brain that can interpret the signal.... How does, say 5% of that system create an advantage such that the interation survives?

THAT is easier for you to swallow than creation? Whatever.

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by maniclion

Obviously theres a connection in there someplace.

There sure is a connection, they were both created.

**TJ Cline** · 04-10-2006, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Like that is harder to believe than "we evolved."

Yes it is much harder to believe.

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 06:37 PM

Once I was a tadpole when I began to begin.
Then I was a frog with my tail tucked in.
Next I was a monkey on a coconut tree.
Now I am a doctor with a Ph.D.

-unknown

**BigDyl** · 04-10-2006, 06:41 PM

So my friend makes a really "profound" statement today...

Friend: "OH YEAH! WELL HOW DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS IF THERE IS STILL MONKEYS...!!!"

Me: "We shared a common ancestor, we didn't evolve from monkeys"

Friend: "...."

**MyK** · 04-10-2006, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Like that is harder to believe than "we evolved."

Explain how an eye evolves? Not just the eye ball but the entire system. The retina, the nervous system, a brain that can interpret the signal.... How does, say 5% of that system create an advantage such that the interation survives?

THAT is easier for you to swallow than creation? Whatever.

yes!

organized religion is nothing more than a beleif system that was startegically installed so that the elite could control the masses! I believe that religion provides alot of good for many people, but it is outdated and quite frankly silly!

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 06:42 PM

Evolutionists also used to believe that the coelacanth (which has similar lobed fins) was a transitional fossil as well until they found that the coelacanth (which supposedly died out 70 million years ago) was still living today. Amazingly coelacanth fossils supposedly 340 million years old are exactly the same as living specimens found today! Also after studying the coelacanth it was found that the lobed fins which were supposedly partially formed legs (for its transition to amphibian) were not used for walking at all but for maneuvering when swimming.

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by MyK

yes!

organized religion is nothing more than a beleif system that was startegically installed so that the elite could control the masses! I believe that religion provides alot of good for many people, but it is outdated and quite frankly silly!

You believe in somthing that can't proven. Something that requires faith. In my neck of the woods, we call that a religion.

**TJ Cline** · 04-10-2006, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Evolutionists also used to believe that the coelacanth (which has similar lobed fins) was a transitional fossil as well until they found that the coelacanth (which supposedly died out 70 million years ago) was still living today. Amazingly coelacanth fossils supposedly 340 million years old are exactly the same as living specimens found today! Also after studying the coelacanth it was found that the lobed fins which were supposedly partially formed legs (for its transition to amphibian) were not used for walking at all but for maneuvering when swimming.

So, do you really expect mankind to be able to explain everything at this point in time??? Science is in it's infancy, give it a few Thousand years to come up with the answers.

**BigDyl** · 04-10-2006, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Evolutionists also used to believe that the coelacanth (which has similar lobed fins) was a transitional fossil as well until they found that the coelacanth (which supposedly died out 70 million years ago) was still living today. Amazingly coelacanth fossils supposedly 340 million years old are exactly the same as living specimens found today! Also after studying the coelacanth it was found that the lobed fins which were supposedly partially formed legs (for its transition to amphibian) were not used for walking at all but for maneuvering when swimming.

You've cracked the case against evolution single handidly! Congratulations!

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by BigDyl

So my friend makes a really "profound" statement today...

Friend: "OH YEAH! WELL HOW DID WE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS IF THERE IS STILL MONKEYS...!!!"

Me: "We shared a common ancestor, we didn't evolve from monkeys"

Friend: "...."

And we know this b/c the fossil record is just FULL of transitional species bridging the gap between ape and man..oh.wait..nevermind...

**MyK** · 04-10-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

Evolutionists also used to believe that the coelacanth (which has similar lobed fins) was a transitional fossil as well until they found that the coelacanth (which supposedly died out 70 million years ago) was still living today. Amazingly coelacanth fossils supposedly 340 million years old are exactly the same as living specimens found today! Also after studying the coelacanth it was found that the lobed fins which were supposedly partially formed legs (for its transition to amphibian) were not used for walking at all but for maneuvering when swimming.

big deal!

evolutionists dont believe that they know all the details, but they are trying to figure it out! and mistakes will be made. what kind of belief system has the ignorance to believe that their reality is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? oh yea, thats right, every organized religion!

**Pepper** · 04-10-2006, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by BigDyl

You've cracked the case against evolution single handidly! Congratulations!

That is about what I'd expect from you. All mouth, no substance.

**myCATpowerlifts** · 04-10-2006, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Pepper

That is about what I'd expect from you. All mouth, no substance.

Owned

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