Thread: Why are men scared of strong woman?

i think that's a "phallacy"

or maybe it makes them feel we don't need their protection. for all todays equality men still deep down want very much to feel needed and strong. age old roles echo in our cells even if our brains deny it.

Because women aren't open to change on matters; at least not as openly as men are. Every "opinionated woman" I've ever met has been a complete and total bitch, and most purely feel this way or that way so they can argue the point to death. Even more so women involve emotion; and even take offense when someone disagrees with them. Men don't want to argue or discuss politics, religion, or anything else with women because most women are to damn stubborn ( and a lot of is bred by the fact that they think that a man disagrees with her just cause she's a woman ) to have a discussion with. Arguments and discussions don't lead to solutions with women; where as with men it ends one way or the other ( fist or words ). So generally men just avoid the woman, not necessarily intimidated.

Originally Posted by JordanMang

Because women aren't open to change on matters; at least not as openly as men are. Every "opinionated woman" I've ever met has been a complete and total bitch, and most purely feel this way or that way so they can argue the point to death. Even more so women involve emotion; and even take offense when someone disagrees with them. Men don't want to argue or discuss politics, religion, or anything else with women because most women are to damn stubborn ( and a lot of is bred by the fact that they think that a man disagrees with her just cause she's a woman ) to have a discussion with. Arguments and discussions don't lead to solutions with women; where as with men it ends one way or the other ( fist or words ). So generally men just avoid the woman, not necessarily intimidated.

I think I opened a can of worms.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I have noticed this before and I just don't understand why a male would feel insecure with a lady who has an opinion on a subject.

Discuss.

lawl I thought this was a thread about how guys feel about being with a strong women. Like physical strength.

I don't think I would feel insecure with a women with strong opinions. I really don't see what the problem is.



god damnit I had to edit my post twice.

Jordan is 16, and has much to learn of the way of the world and his peers. Its a long leap of logic to say that a woman is intractable on her viewpoint, if she doesn't change hers to suit you (to match yours).

Flip side of the coin: you're not about to alter your opinion, either.

The comment suggests a certain intractability on Jordans part to listen.

Listening is an art.

Can of worms, Min?

Perhaps...

Even if my GF was stronger, I'd be able to submit her with jiu jitsu, but if she was better at jiu jitsu, then i'd be in trouble.


Not that I'm a dominant guy or anything...

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Even if my GF was stronger, I'd be able to submit her with jiu jitsu, but if she was better at jiu jitsu, then i'd be in trouble.

The topic was about men not fairies.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

The topic was about men not fairies.

Strong women are very sexy.

Originally Posted by JordanMang

Because women aren't open to change on matters; at least not as openly as men are. Every "opinionated woman" I've ever met has been a complete and total bitch,

You just earned the Hit The Nail On The Fucking Head award.

Originally Posted by DOMS

You just earned the Hit The Nail On The Fucking Head award.

You are being rough on women there DOMS.Though I do not totally disagree.

On the contrary Trouble; every deduction I made above was through my skill of observation ( listening included if you can call it that :] ). While I'll admit that a certain lack of experience ( yes, being 16 plays a role ) you can't say that I don't have listen well; you have never met me, and even more so who are you to say what I've been through, who I've met, or what I've observed.. And, I am very open to the beliefs of others. For instance; your post - I took it into consideration; and above am offering my opinion. I don't think you can make any kind of intractability argument because of course I'll be intractable about my beliefs to some degree; just as anyone and everyone is. I think you're being either ignorant, or just play hypocritical. Maybe you should take a slightly deeper look at what your saying in comparison to what I said. Please don't take offense at what I'm saying but this is precisely what I mentioned in my above post. Instead of arguing my point you made an attack ( while maybe not a rude one ) at my integrity and the integrity of my comment. No, no can of worms...just some mud slinging already!

Originally Posted by JordanMang

On the contrary Trouble; every deduction I made above was through my skill of observation ( listening included if you can call it that :] ). While I'll admit that a certain lack of experience ( yes, being 16 plays a role ) you can't say that I don't have listen well; you have never met me, and even more so who are you to say what I've been through, who I've met, or what I've observed.. And, I am very open to the beliefs of others. For instance; your post - I took it into consideration; and above am offering my opinion. I don't think you can make any kind of intractability argument because of course I'll be intractable about my beliefs to some degree; just as anyone and everyone is. I think you're being either ignorant, or just play hypocritical. Maybe you should take a slightly deeper look at what your saying in comparison to what I said. Please don't take offense at what I'm saying but this is precisely what I mentioned in my above post. Instead of arguing my point you made an attack ( while maybe not a rude one ) at my integrity and the integrity of my comment. No, no can of worms...just some mud slinging already!

You're still using your amygdala, pal.

I'm confused; how is this situation scary to me? You realize that while the amygdala is a part of the emotions that take place in your brain it's focuses almost primarily on senses that invovle being afraid, paniced, and making decisions under these circumstances. In fact it is the same part of the brain that you use to supress feelings of anxiety, fear, depression, and panic. You're argument is faulty.

Originally Posted by JordanMang

I'm confused; how is this situation scary to me? You realize that while the amygdala is a part of the emotions that take place in your brain it's focuses almost primarily on senses that invovle being afraid, paniced, and making decisions under these circumstances. In fact it is the same part of the brain that you use to supress feelings of anxiety, fear, depression, and panic. You're argument is faulty.

You don't get it. It has to do with your age.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

You're still using your amygdala, pal.

What does Natalie Portman's character in Star Wars have to do with any of this?

How does age make a difference? People make the assumption just because I'm younger then they are that I don't "get" what they're saying. No, I just disagree. If I was 30 we wouldn't be having this conversation; you'd take what I have to say at face value and leave it at that rather then decide because I'm young my comments are inadmissable. Who are you to judge my experiences or my maturity in the matter. You should rethink your approach I think; the world is a ever evolving place, and while I believe in tradition ( respect your elders etc ) we should all take a look at the future - the nations children.

"Because women aren't open to change on matters; at least not as openly as men are."

Not a statement of fact. A statement of personal opinion. By a very young person, just turned adult.

You state opinion that all women aren't open to change.

Your arguement - that the opposing position in a debate is some how incorrect - because the person doesn't share *your* position, is flawed.

People, regardless of gender, age, and ethnicity, may choose, and defend a position on the basis of logic, fact, and opinion - and this position may or maybe not be held as refutable. When a position in an arguement is based on experience, values or strong held beliefs, a person is entitled to hold that position. Out of respect, common courtesy, you do *not* belittle the right to hold his or her position, no matter how much it differs from your own.

"Every "opinionated woman" I've ever met has been a complete and total bitch, and most purely feel this way or that way so they can argue the point to death. "

That statement, Jordan, is pure unbridled attack on a gender. It is objectionable. What *you* desire is that a woman bow to your viewpoint.

If she dares to state a viewpoint to the contrary, and maintains it, despite your heated protestation, then you see her as a bitch.

She, and you, are entitled to an opinion or position within a debatable topic. What you espouse is very antiquated societal view of women being seen and not heard.

That Victorian sentiment ended with the legal entitlement to legal representation, to vote in this democratic nation. A right not quite yet a century old.

"Even more so women involve emotion; and even take offense when someone disagrees with them. "

Ahh, and you don't take offense when a woman chooses not to hold your viewpoint and states an opinion on a topic to the contrary - and defends it. She is a total bitch, even though she has a right to an opinion, and to state it when asked.

That, ironically, is the whole point of this thread. That men feel threatened when a woman has a viewpoint and maintains it, despite contrary and outdated gender role viewss.

I have news for you. Men are no longer the dominant heads of households, and they are no longer the dominant monetary supporters of women.

Women are not chatals, not possessions, and they are not slaves.

"Men don't want to argue or discuss politics, religion, or anything else with women because most women are to damn stubborn ( and a lot of is bred by the fact that they think that a man disagrees with her just cause she's a woman ) to have a discussion with. "

I see. But Jordan, a woman who has an opinion on controversial matters is not necessarily contrarily mineded. We here in this country have a right to espouse a political opinion (and to belong to a political party, and to exercise the right to a political position by vote), to religious beliefs, and to hold personal values and adherence or disagreement with cultural norms and mores. If you don't agree, you have that right as well. However, you do not have the right to force another, regardless of gender, age, or ethnicity to hold to your views and opinions.

"Arguments and discussions don't lead to solutions with women; where as with men it ends one way or the other ( fist or words ). "

Arguements and discussion are a give and take format of verbal statement of opinion, with supporting experience, fact, theory, or belief provided as posited.

They are not meant to be problem solving. There is no solution in an argument. You may wish to "win" an argument by stating your opinion as factual and having it believed. If the arguement is statement and refutation by counterargument, the counter position may be held as firmly as your own position.

One position in an arguement or discussion is not necessarily more "correct" than another. There is no rule that proclaims one must be the winner, and that one position is the more logical "solution".

"So generally men just avoid the woman, not necessarily intimidated."

Ahh. If a person holds a view contrary to your own, and refuses to yield to your position, despite your demands, he or she is to be avoided.

Originally Posted by Trouble

"Because women aren't open to change on matters; at least not as openly as men are."

Not a statement of fact. A statement of personal opinion. By a very young person, just turned adult.

You state opinion that all women aren't open to change.

Your arguement - that the opposing position in a debate is some how incorrect - because the person doesn't share *your* position, is flawed.

People, regardless of gender, age, and ethnicity, may choose, and defend a position on the basis of logic, fact, and opinion - and this position may or maybe not be held as refutable. When a position in an arguement is based on experience, values or strong held beliefs, a person is entitled to hold that position. Out of respect, common courtesy, you do *not* belittle the right to hold his or her position, no matter how much it differs from your own.

"Every "opinionated woman" I've ever met has been a complete and total bitch, and most purely feel this way or that way so they can argue the point to death. "

That statement, Jordan, is pure unbridled attack on a gender. It is objectionable. What *you* desire is that a woman bow to your viewpoint.

If she dares to state a viewpoint to the contrary, and maintains it, despite your heated protestation, then you see her as a bitch.

She, and you, are entitled to an opinion or position within a debatable topic. What you espouse is very antiquated societal view of women being seen and not heard.

That Victorian sentiment ended with the legal entitlement to legal representation, to vote in this democratic nation. A right not quite yet a century old.

"Even more so women involve emotion; and even take offense when someone disagrees with them. "

Ahh, and you don't take offense when a woman chooses not to hold your viewpoint and states an opinion on a topic to the contrary - and defends it. She is a total bitch, even though she has a right to an opinion, and to state it when asked.

That, ironically, is the whole point of this thread. That men feel threatened when a woman has a viewpoint and maintains it, despite contrary and outdated gender role viewss.

I have news for you. Men are no longer the dominant heads of households, and they are no longer the dominant monetary supporters of women.

Women are not chatals, not possessions, and they are not slaves.

"Men don't want to argue or discuss politics, religion, or anything else with women because most women are to damn stubborn ( and a lot of is bred by the fact that they think that a man disagrees with her just cause she's a woman ) to have a discussion with. "

I see. But Jordan, a woman who has an opinion on controversial matters is not necessarily contrarily mineded. We here in this country have a right to espouse a political opinion (and to belong to a political party, and to exercise the right to a political position by vote), to religious beliefs, and to hold personal values and adherence or disagreement with cultural norms and mores. If you don't agree, you have that right as well. However, you do not have the right to force another, regardless of gender, age, or ethnicity to hold to your views and opinions.

"Arguments and discussions don't lead to solutions with women; where as with men it ends one way or the other ( fist or words ). "

Arguements and discussion are a give and take format of verbal statement of opinion, with supporting experience, fact, theory, or belief provided as posited.

They are not meant to be problem solving. There is no solution in an argument. You may wish to "win" an argument by stating your opinion as factual and having it believed. If the arguement is statement and refutation by counterargument, the counter position may be held as firmly as your own position.

One position in an arguement or discussion is not necessarily more "correct" than another. There is no rule that proclaims one must be the winner, and that one position is the more logical "solution".

"So generally men just avoid the woman, not necessarily intimidated."

Ahh. If a person holds a view contrary to your own, and refuses to yield to your position, despite your demands, he or she is to be avoided.

Damn your good.

See, here's what I'm talking about. I expressed my opinions on a matter, and then you like I said before attacked my personal statements. You're awfully interested in correcting my opinions - and while I've had my eyes open a little bit on how negative I was in the post I made, I don't really think you can make some of the judgements you've made. You're one of the women I would avoid mainly because you're so politically correct ( as odd as the sounds ), and that may sound like a completely sexist and gender based comment, but don't get me wrong - I like a woman with attitude, personality, and ideas ( and I like her to be vocal about them ), but at the same time I do want to be the bread winner, I do want my wife to agree to my decisions ( but that doesn't mean I won't completely consider her point of view or not listen to it ). And, to be honest - that isn't age, maurity, or raising speaking. I've been raised by women and still have the same view. It goes back to the main question at hand - why are men intimidated by opinionated women - because we want to be the man, work hard, take care of our women, and enjoy life. I guess it's the good 'ole boy in me talking, but it's how I feel so I don't think you can really say my opinions are facts and therefore false ( which you basically have done ).

Originally Posted by JordanMang

See, here's what I'm talking about. I expressed my opinions on a matter, and then you like I said before attacked my personal statements. You're awfully interested in correcting my opinions - and while I've had my eyes open a little bit on how negative I was in the post I made, I don't really think you can make some of the judgements you've made. You're one of the women I would avoid mainly because you're so politically correct ( as odd as the sounds ), and that may sound like a completely sexist and gender based comment, but don't get me wrong - I like a woman with attitude, personality, and ideas ( and I like her to be vocal about them ), but at the same time I do want to be the bread winner(Nowadays it's not a matter of choice)
, I do want my wife to agree to my decisions (I wish you luck on that, in a marraige it should be we not me)
( but that doesn't mean I won't completely consider her point of view or not listen to it ). And, to be honest - that isn't age, maurity, or raising speaking. I've been raised by women and still have the same view. It goes back to the main question at hand - why are men intimidated by opinionated women - because we want to be the man, work hard, take care of our women, and enjoy life. I guess it's the good 'ole boy in me talking, but it's how I feel so I don't think you can really say my opinions are facts and therefore false ( which you basically have done ).

.

Originally Posted by Trouble

"Because women aren't open to change on matters; at least not as openly as men are."

Not a statement of fact. A statement of personal opinion. By a very young person, just turned adult.

You state opinion that all women aren't open to change.

Your arguement - that the opposing position in a debate is some how incorrect - because the person doesn't share *your* position, is flawed.

People, regardless of gender, age, and ethnicity, may choose, and defend a position on the basis of logic, fact, and opinion - and this position may or maybe not be held as refutable. When a position in an arguement is based on experience, values or strong held beliefs, a person is entitled to hold that position. Out of respect, common courtesy, you do *not* belittle the right to hold his or her position, no matter how much it differs from your own.

"Every "opinionated woman" I've ever met has been a complete and total bitch, and most purely feel this way or that way so they can argue the point to death. "

That statement, Jordan, is pure unbridled attack on a gender. It is objectionable. What *you* desire is that a woman bow to your viewpoint.

If she dares to state a viewpoint to the contrary, and maintains it, despite your heated protestation, then you see her as a bitch.

She, and you, are entitled to an opinion or position within a debatable topic. What you espouse is very antiquated societal view of women being seen and not heard.

That Victorian sentiment ended with the legal entitlement to legal representation, to vote in this democratic nation. A right not quite yet a century old.

"Even more so women involve emotion; and even take offense when someone disagrees with them. "

Ahh, and you don't take offense when a woman chooses not to hold your viewpoint and states an opinion on a topic to the contrary - and defends it. She is a total bitch, even though she has a right to an opinion, and to state it when asked.

That, ironically, is the whole point of this thread. That men feel threatened when a woman has a viewpoint and maintains it, despite contrary and outdated gender role viewss.

I have news for you. Men are no longer the dominant heads of households, and they are no longer the dominant monetary supporters of women.

Women are not chatals, not possessions, and they are not slaves.

"Men don't want to argue or discuss politics, religion, or anything else with women because most women are to damn stubborn ( and a lot of is bred by the fact that they think that a man disagrees with her just cause she's a woman ) to have a discussion with. "

I see. But Jordan, a woman who has an opinion on controversial matters is not necessarily contrarily mineded. We here in this country have a right to espouse a political opinion (and to belong to a political party, and to exercise the right to a political position by vote), to religious beliefs, and to hold personal values and adherence or disagreement with cultural norms and mores. If you don't agree, you have that right as well. However, you do not have the right to force another, regardless of gender, age, or ethnicity to hold to your views and opinions.

"Arguments and discussions don't lead to solutions with women; where as with men it ends one way or the other ( fist or words ). "

Arguements and discussion are a give and take format of verbal statement of opinion, with supporting experience, fact, theory, or belief provided as posited.

They are not meant to be problem solving. There is no solution in an argument. You may wish to "win" an argument by stating your opinion as factual and having it believed. If the arguement is statement and refutation by counterargument, the counter position may be held as firmly as your own position.

One position in an arguement or discussion is not necessarily more "correct" than another. There is no rule that proclaims one must be the winner, and that one position is the more logical "solution".

"So generally men just avoid the woman, not necessarily intimidated."

Ahh. If a person holds a view contrary to your own, and refuses to yield to your position, despite your demands, he or she is to be avoided.

Women have as much right to use the logic card as I do to use the race card.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Women have as much right to use the logic card as I do to use the race card.

May a physically strong woman beat you.

I have no problem with the opinions of strong women, it's their grip that worries me.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

I have no problem with the opinions of strong women, it's their grip that worries me.

And where it's applied.

Your turn DOMS