Thread: Dear Senator...

I like this, I'm posting it on every site I'm a member to.

Fucking parasites.

I would have no problem if they were made to pay taxes somehow. Let's hope they implement a sound and efficient *laugh* policy to take care of the situation.

They wouldn't be able to live if they had to pay taxes, that is the point.

Where's the problem?

Originally Posted by CowPimp

I would have no problem if they were made to pay taxes somehow. Let's hope they implement a sound and efficient *laugh* policy to take care of the situation.

I used to do the payroll for a guy whose workforce was 90% illegal mexicans. We ran the payroll like anyone else would but they all had their exemptions at 10 so they had no income tax wihheld. However they did pay FICA and the employer paid FICA.

As a result, most of those guys paid MORE in tax than they would if they were legal and filed a tax return. Why? The Earned Income Credit. They could not file and take the credit that generates HUGE refunds for working poor families.

It was a hell of a good paying client until the IRS came in at the request of the SSA b/c so many Social Security Numbers were bad. To make a long story short the IRS shut them down. I had a clear conscience working on this b/c 1) they were paying FICA, more FICA than American working similar jobs and 2) they were plucking chickens. At least around here, no one was out of job b/c of them.

I agree 100% with the letter, BTW, I'm just sayin'

Originally Posted by Pepper

I used to do the payroll for a guy whose workforce was 90% illegal mexicans. We ran the payroll like anyone else would but they all had their exemptions at 10 so they had no income tax wihheld. However they did pay FICA and the employer paid FICA.

As a result, most of those guys paid MORE in tax than they would if they were legal and filed a tax return. Why? The Earned Income Credit. They could not file and take the credit that generates HUGE refunds for working poor families.

It was a hell of a good paying client until the IRS came in at the request of the SSA b/c so many Social Security Numbers were bad. To make a long story short the IRS shut them down. I had a clear conscience working on this b/c 1) they were paying FICA, more FICA than American working similar jobs and 2) they were plucking chickens. At least around here, no one was out of job b/c of them.

I agree 100% with the letter, BTW, I'm just sayin'

thats not funny

Originally Posted by MyK

thats not funny

Par for the course.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I like this, I'm posting it on every site I'm a member to.

Mo too....great post Rob

Originally Posted by Pepper

I used to do the payroll for a guy whose workforce was 90% illegal mexicans. We ran the payroll like anyone else would but they all had their exemptions at 10 so they had no income tax wihheld. However they did pay FICA and the employer paid FICA.

As a result, most of those guys paid MORE in tax than they would if they were legal and filed a tax return. Why? The Earned Income Credit. They could not file and take the credit that generates HUGE refunds for working poor families.

It was a hell of a good paying client until the IRS came in at the request of the SSA b/c so many Social Security Numbers were bad. To make a long story short the IRS shut them down. I had a clear conscience working on this b/c 1) they were paying FICA, more FICA than American working similar jobs and 2) they were plucking chickens. At least around here, no one was out of job b/c of them.

I agree 100% with the letter, BTW, I'm just sayin'

BS

Originally Posted by DOMS

Fucking parasites.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

BS

Another post that just makes perfect sense.

WHat is BS? That my client's Mexicans paid some FICA?

What is lame? That I agree with the letter?

I guess since I told a story from my own experience, I am in favor of open borders?

I agree with you (on this issuue) and I am still lame. WTF?

Originally Posted by Pepper

Another post that just makes perfect sense.

WHat is BS? That my client's Mexicans paid some FICA?

What is lame? That I agree with the letter?

I guess since I told a story from my own experience, I am in favor of open borders?

I agree with you (on this issuue) and I am still lame. WTF?

I thought I highlighted the part that is bs.....here it is


As a result, most of those guys paid MORE in tax than they would if they were legal and filed a tax return.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I thought I highlighted the part that is bs.....here it is


As a result, most of those guys paid MORE in tax than they would if they were legal and filed a tax return.

I don't know about most mexicans, but these guys did.

Have you ever done a tax return for someone making $12,000/year? They basically get their FICA refunded to them and pay little or no income tax.

I guess you must be a CPA and know how all of this works. My bad.

I would bet most illegal mexicans are completely off the system. These guys got a W-2 and paid FICA b/c the employer wanted no trouble with the gov'ment....then got trouble anyway.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Another post that just makes perfect sense.

WHat is BS? That my client's Mexicans paid some FICA?

What is lame? That I agree with the letter?

I guess since I told a story from my own experience, I am in favor of open borders?

I agree with you (on this issuue) and I am still lame. WTF?

It's his birthday, he is super-stupid today. His stupidity is magnified by the Earth's yellow sun.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

It's his birthday, he is super-stupid today. His stupidity is magnified by the Earth's yellow sun.

Man, I suck at recognizing birthdays. Happy Birthday Foreman. Nice to have another "old man" around.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I don't know about most mexicans, but these guys did.

Have you ever done a tax return for someone making $12,000/year? They basically get their FICA refunded to them and pay little or no income tax.

I guess you must be a CPA and know how all of this works. My bad.

I guess you know all the other free benefits the families of these men were using or not using.....do you know for a fact they did not use welfare/food stamps, or get free medical ever, public transportation, any college...ect???

These and many more things are subsidised by Legit American Tax payers and not by illegal scum.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I guess you know all the other free benefits the families of these men were using or not using.....do you know for a fact they did not use welfare/food stamps, or get free medical ever, public transportation, any college...ect???

These and many more things are subsidised by Legit American Tax payers and not by illegal scum.

Jesus, man..I agree with you on that. Do I have to state my entire position on every post? Dude, I simply said that some mexicans are paying taxes even though they don't have a SSN. Quit reading into to every post a position that is polar opposite yours. Illegal Mexicans are KILLING the medical systems in the SW. If I lived in those states, I'd want a wall around the country.

Can't you read a post for what it is? Just try one freaking time.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Illegal Mexicans are KILLING the medical systems in the SW. If I lived in those states, I'd want a wall around the country.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Jesus, man..I agree with you on that. Do I have to state my entire position on every post? Dude, I simply said that some mexicans are paying taxes even though they don't have a SSN. Quit reading into to every post a position that is polar opposite yours. Illegal Mexicans are KILLING the medical systems in the SW. If I lived in those states, I'd want a wall around the country.

Can't you read a post for what it is? Just try one freaking time.

I did read it for what is was, I disagreed with only one point and you jump on me like I'm Al Gore

I posted this on another site, and in a short time a friend of mine did this with it. His respsonses are in bold.

These are points & facts displayed in contrast from an unemployed technician/customer service rep and this letter sent to Tennessee Senator Bill Frist from a retired border patrol agent. It's not exactly a Left vs. Right debate, but a philosophical one.

Either way, the benefits still point to a more conservative asthetic. Yet, it's a shiny example of Truthiness, more-so than you would find on say.... Fox News Channel. Enjoy & debate freely.

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Dear Senator Frist:

There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about
illegal aliens, particularly illegal Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan
and Honduran aliens.

1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans, and other nationalities want to remain citizens of their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.

and then there's this fellow....

Well first, we can group them all into one cohesive group that want the same things. There are millions of illegal aliens with different agendas, just like there are millions of US citizens who worship different gods and have different attitudes & lifestyles. There are millions of immigrants that want to be US citizens, just on their own terms because they believe that the current methods of immigration reform have done nothing to advance the process of becoming a US citizen.

And, yes there are also immigrants who are trying to work the system and rip us all off. The key to understanding all this is to seperate those with good intentions from those with ill intentions. A person who has nothing to hide and is willing to work hard to make his or her way. is a shining example of someone who has the potential to be a a good US citizen.


2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families.
Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence
home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.

I doubt anyone here on myspace would rather be working a job for $7.00 per hr than on for double that. There ARE jobs americans choose not to do. Landscaping (mowing lawns, leaf blowing, sweeping, pressure washing on a daily basis), Farming (picking citrus fruits, vegatable crops, spices) in the hot sun, Masonry (cutting sheet rock, marble, stone blocks), Housekeeping, Dishwashing, Trash collecting, Heavy object lifting, Fast food cook... Yes these are all jobs that have some americans working, but the majority is handled by immigrants.

I've worked half those jobs and let's face it... they suck. Each time, I could'nt wait to get a better job where I did less work and made more money. Anyone who denies that is something we all want is lying their ass off. = ) And really... most good employers are sooner to hire a mild manner white guy like me, than an immigrant who does'nt speak english well. That's the truth. It sucks for alot of people, but it's true.

3.Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.

Yeah, they're not homeless. They left jobs in their country for the same reason we change jobs here: to find a better one. I'd send money to my family too, if the lived in another country. i love my family. But some people don't and that's fine too. Whatever maeks them feel better, it's a free country.

And yes, they're breaking the law by the way that most of them enter this country, but if I was failing to bring my family up in this country, I'd be desperate to go try in another country too. Desperation is the motivation for the hopeless until they find hope again. And yes, I came up with that. = )

4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens
constitute less than 5% of the workforce. However, they reduce wages and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.

Actually, they are essential to the profit margins of Wal-Mart, virtually all supermarkets in the South (east & west coasts), the farming industry, the construction industry, the landscaping industry, HMO's (cause naturally they can't afford real health care 90% of the time), the fast food industry. These are palces where they spend their money, but also earn their money. If that all went away tommorow, we'd have to scramble to fill the void & maintain our comfortable way of life.

5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or another.

Dude, we stole this country from the Navajo, Mohican, Seminole,
Ute, Hopi... the REAL native americans. Where did we com frome ? Europe. We were legal by the King of England's standards, not by the chiefs of these tribes. When we had work to be done what did we do ? We went to Africa and stole people away to come here and make them do it for us. We are still trying to amend for our ancestors atrocities and that line of thinking certainly is'nt going to help things.

6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful
immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.

True, but like I said people get a little desperate when they abandon hope.

7. There is no such thing as the "Hispanic vote". Hispanics are white, brown, black and every shade in between. Hispanics are Republicans, Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The so-called "Hispanic vote" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get the Hispanic vote is a dead end.

For every nationality, there is a target demographic where there exists the capacity to contribute to democracy. Yes, I wrote that too. Admitedly, minorities have been pretty lazy when it came to voting, but I'd like to thank the Right for getting them to stand up and be more political by making statements like "the so-called Hispanic vote is a myth"

8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.

Huh ? Anyone who was involved with spy activities during WWII are now dead. When the administration in Mexico changed in the 50's, those who assisted the Nazis were executed via firing squad. And there were more Russian spies in America than mexico, during the cold war. There were (and are) a small number of anti-american groups in Mexico that did condone the attacks of 9-11, but that's about the same number of people in this country that make up East coast chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.

So does that mean that everyone in the US is represented by the Klan ? We did steal Arizona, New Mexico and Texas in the wars we fought, but California was democratically absorbed into the US by the mexicans that lived there. Read a history book.

9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life,
there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those
live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid
excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a good reason to trash another nation?

Actually, the number is more or less 500 - 600 million, not 1 billion. And you'd be surpised what One US dollar will get you in return on some other 3rd world countries. (At least in currency exchange) But he left out the idea of culture. There are a few billion people that don't want anything to do with our country or way of life. They have their culture they grew up with, be it rich or poor, that's their life. (Cue Bon Jovi, lol)

I do agree that the US lifeboat is full, but I don't think red-blooded americans are ready to make the sacrifice to their way of life that I would. If I had to.

10. "There is a labor shortage in this country." This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

errr... not really. There's no labor shortage, that's true. But careers are few and far between for most folks. Most people never achieve their dreams, and just try to make the best of their jobs & lives. If I am more empowered to pursue my dream while someone else is content with working a normal job, then I can live with that.

11. "It is racist to want secure borders." What is racist about wanting secure borders and secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price?

I agree, actually. But we are paranoid when it comes to race in this country. People like me ? I hate everyone equally. = )


For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be high. There has already been riots in the streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more. You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U.S. citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country. The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest. There will be a reckoning. Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to remain here?

There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again in 2008 and yet again in 2010. We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and thieves.


David J. Stoddard
U.S. Border Patrol (RET)
Hereford, Arizona

A confession: I'm not quoting some unemployed white-collar worker here. I AM that guy. There is no courage in what this man is asking for. He is a retired, right-wing republican who has a hard time looking at things from another human beings perspective. I'm no bleeding heart liberal, but I am labeled one if I disagree with anything the right-wing majority presents. So whatever passes for even the most remote notion of common sense is felled upon deaf ears in power.

But, that can change if people voice their opinions this fall. There will be a reckoning someday, and it'll happen one of two ways.

One: If we turn 12 million people into felons and systematically break down our countries work-force, forcing everyone to take pay cuts, increase their work load, take jobs we'd rather not take, and most fearful of all to the rich... to make them actually work harder for their millions. God forbid !!

Two: Reorganize our immigration policy, while focusing on creating a more technologicaly advanced border (virtually & physically) to combat illegal immigration with the same zeal that we affors to golf courses. Take the existing illegal immgrants in the US, and put them on a probationary program to earn their US citizenship and further contribute to the economy via taxable wages and reimbursing the government for back-taxes. (Hey if they don't like it, I've been to Baja, they can go back and lounge for all I care)

Sure our intentions are still kinda selfish at heart, but at least I admit it. Alot of people on both sides are'nt willing to do that much anymore.

Matt Snyder
unemployed technician
(because my government sent my job off to India)
Orlando, FL

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I did read it for what is was, I disagreed with only one point and you jump on me like I'm Al Gore

But that was a statement of fact. These guys were paying more Federal taxes than they would have been had they filed like you and I. The state was getting screwed. Just b/c my client was doing it this way, does not mean everyone is, but for this guy, it was true.

Sometimes these issues are little more complicated and we like to discuss them.

FatCat, is that your response or someone else's?

Originally Posted by Pepper

But that was a statement of fact. These guys were paying more Federal taxes than they would have been had they filed like you and I. The state was getting screwed. Just b/c my client was doing it this way, does not mean everyone is, but for this guy, it was true.

Sometimes these issues are little more complicated and we like to discuss them.

Ok so I will assume they also did not work a second job under the table and never used tax funded programs or perks..so yes they made less

Originally Posted by Pepper

FatCat, is that your response or someone else's?

That's a friend's response. I don't agree with some of what he said, but I figured it would add more of a spark to the discussion.