Thread: Foreman Rules, Tax Expert, prove me wrong or STFU!

Originally Posted by Pepper

Last week, I posted in a thread about illegals an experience I had with an employer who hired questionable mexicans. I say questionable b/c they had all the necessary paperwork, but their Social Security Numbers never matched.

I stated that at least in this case that the mexicans were paying MORE Federal tax than a legal, American worker because the legal guy can file a tax return and claim the earned income tax credit. I was not in any way supporting illegal immigration, nor was I ignoring all of the other non-tax problems of illegals. Really, I wasn't even saying that there is not a problem with income taxes on illegals. I was simply saying that some companies are managing their payroll in such a was that some illegals pay MORE tax than a legal taxpayer with the same W-2.

Forman totally misrepresented my position to mean that I have no problem with illegal immigrants. He has further attempted to embarass me by putting my quote in his signature.

Attached is a PDF of a tax return of a single person with one kid who earns $14,000 in 2005. As you will see, even though the W-2 issued to him has NO WITHHOLDING, this taxpayer gets a $3,112 refund from the IRS.

Why is this true? I am sure Foreman, who has a Masters Degree in Taxation and over 15 years of experience in filing taxes like I do could tell you that the EIC is designed to REFUND the FICA tax paid by low income workers.

Here is my challenge. Download this file, review it, study it, have it looked at by a CPA if you will. Then come online and tell me where I am wrong. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Pepper, CPA

Wow you have issues.
We have two or three threads here right now that talk about your illegal buddies, you should have had the moral strength not to work for criminals but I guess you didn't.

And I changed my sig after you did ......funny how it is ok for you to personally attack me in your sig and now with a thread.....Looks like you are the problem with open chat. Hypocrite

Another BS thread with 1/8 of the facts needed to make a point...

yeah, I'm the pathetic one.

Tell me what facts you want in this case study and I will add them.

Once again, prove me wrong or fuck off.

Originally Posted by Pepper

yeah, I'm the pathetic one.

Tell me what facts you want in this case study and I will add them.

Once again, prove me wrong or fuck off.

Nice, I see this is the way Rob and Jodi want open chat to flow....check your self Pepper,

My problem with your signature is not that it attacks me, it is totally misleading. I am simply proving to you that my post that you find so outrageous is 100% dead-on balls accurate and you are full of shit.

I ask you, beg you, to prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I ask you, beg you, to prove me wrong.

He can't. Most people that hang around in open chat are just BSer's. They pull out the momma jokes and the sarcastic crap.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Another BS thread with 1/8 of the facts needed to make a point...

:waitingonthe7/8smissingfacts:

Originally Posted by Pepper

He's researching.

Pepper has a new friend.

This thread is highlarious.

Originally Posted by Pepper

My problem with your signature is not that it attacks me, it is totally misleading. I am simply proving to you that my post that you find so outrageous is 100% dead-on balls accurate and you are full of shit.

I ask you, beg you, to prove me wrong.

I am not going to support you for being involved in illegal activities, and I am certainly not going to agree with you that Illegal aliens pay more in taxes than American workers.

If you chose to break the law of your country that is youyr business...but I do not have to agree with it.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

This thread is highlarious.

and gay

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I am not going to support you for being involved in illegal activities, and I am certainly not going to agree with you that Illegal aliens pay more in taxes than American workers.

If you chose to break the law of your country that is youyr business...but I do not have to agree with it.

That is about all I ever expected out of you.

I broke no laws. Not one single law. I went through an extensive IRS audit on this very client TWICE - one regular audit, one payroll audit and NO ONE was even accused of breaking the law. That is, no one other than the employees themself who presented forged documentation.

I see that you are no more a tax or legal expert than you are anything else around here.

This thread is not, however, asking you to believe ANY of that. You can believe I was wrong, or breaking the law, that I am gay, that I am fat, that my language is to harsh for Open Chat (lol.) I don't care.

Believe this, however, you have been pwned.

Originally Posted by Pepper

That is about all I ever expected out of you.

I broke no laws. Not one single law. I went through an extensive IRS audit on this very client TWICE - one regular audit, one payroll audit and NO ONE was even accused of breaking the law.

I see that you are no more a tax or legal expert than you are anything else around here.

You worked for a company that hired illegal aliens and you did nothing to stop it....that makes you a criminal.



You are wrong and broke the law....get over it and try not to do it again.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You worked for a company that hired illegal aliens and you did nothing to stop it....that makes you a criminal.



You are wrong and broke the law....get over it and try not to do it again.

If you ignore ALL of the facts of the case study, I suppose. Damn, maybe instead of talking to immigration lawyers, I should have talked to you. Maybe the IRS should consult with you too, cause they overlooked a huge crime. Oh well, they can't all be the "expert" that you are.

Originally Posted by Pepper

If you ignore ALL of the facts of the case study, I suppose. Damn, maybe instead of talking to immigration lawyers, I should have talked to you. Maybe the IRS should consult with you too, cause they overlooked a huge crime. Oh well, they can't all be the "expert" that you are.

I am no expert but what you did ( or didn't report) was a crime.


Illegal aliens cost California billions


By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.
var bnum=new Number(Math.floor(99999999 * Math.random())+1); document.write(''); The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," said FAIR President Dan Stein.
"Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become," he said.
California is estimated to be home to nearly 3 million illegal aliens.
Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year.

He also said the total cost of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas, such as special English instruction, school meal programs or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal-alien workers were added into the equation.

Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.
In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.
The FAIR report focused on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994, Mr. Stein said. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants at about $1.1 billion a year.
Mr. Stein said an enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants in 10 years is because of the rapid growth of the illegal population. He said it is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
"1994 was the same year that California voters rebelled and overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for mass illegal immigration," he said. "Since then, state and local governments have blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens.
"Predictably, the costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy," he said.
Mr. Stein said that the state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal-alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed, and that policies need to be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2115-6766r.htm


Here you go...add this and more to their pay check and then tell me they pay more

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

....that makes you a criminal.

Is my crime a felony, like say, using illegal steriods? Help me, I don't seem to be getting very good advice from the people with experience in such matters.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Is my crime a felony, like say, using illegal steriods? Help me, I don't seem to be getting very good advice from the people with experience in such matters.

I never said I didn't brealk the law but you did

As a man of God I would expect more than talk from you. Nice try to spin this.

I have stated over and over. At least 10 times that I am not trying to prove that there are NO OTHER issues with illegal immigration.

Try to pay attention and stay on point. If you can. When you get cornered, you change the subject. I ask again, tell me where my statement about THESE PARTICULAR illegas is incorrect.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I am no expert but what you did ( or didn't report) was a crime.


Illegal aliens cost California billions


By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.
A key finding of the report by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) said the state's already struggling kindergarten-through-12th-grade education system spends $7.7 billion a year on children of illegal aliens, who constitute 15 percent of the student body.
var bnum=new Number(Math.floor(99999999 * Math.random())+1); document.write(''); The report also said the incarceration of convicted illegal aliens in state prisons and jails and uncompensated medical outlays for health care provided to illegal aliens each amounted to about $1.4 billion annually. The incarceration costs did not include judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes committed by illegal aliens that led to their incarceration.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal-alien labor is bankrupting the state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle-class tax base," said FAIR President Dan Stein.
"Most Californians, who have seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal immigration has become," he said.
California is estimated to be home to nearly 3 million illegal aliens.
Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year.

He also said the total cost of illegal immigration to the state's taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas, such as special English instruction, school meal programs or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal-alien workers were added into the equation.

Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.
In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion.
The FAIR report focused on three specific program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the Urban Institute in 1994, Mr. Stein said. Looking at the costs of education, health care and incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that California was subsidizing illegal immigrants at about $1.1 billion a year.
Mr. Stein said an enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants in 10 years is because of the rapid growth of the illegal population. He said it is reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken to turn the tide.
"1994 was the same year that California voters rebelled and overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for mass illegal immigration," he said. "Since then, state and local governments have blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens.
"Predictably, the costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy," he said.
Mr. Stein said that the state must adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal-alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed, and that policies need to be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2115-6766r.htm


Here you go...add this and more to their pay check and then tell me they pay more

Originally Posted by Pepper

I have stated over and over. At least 10 times that I am not trying to prove that there are NO OTHER issues with illegal immigration.

Try to pay attention and stay on point. If you can. When you get cornered, you change the subject. I ask again, tell me where my statement about THESE PARTICULAR illegas is incorrect.

Yes you were wrong again and here is why.




Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002, while paying only $16 billion in taxes. The net cost to the government was almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household, according to "The High Cost of Cheap Labor, Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget" study released by the center last fall.

According to the center's study, health care takes the biggest hit in illegal alien costs, at $2.5 billion to Medicaid and $2.2 billion for treatment to the uninsured.

More here
http://www.potomacnews.com/servlet/S...82980459&path=

Other federal programs affected include $1.9 billion for food assistance programs; $1.6 billion for the federal prison and court systems; and $1.4 billion in federal aid to schools.

I guess I should also challenge you to show me where I:
1) supported illegal immigration
2) denied the drain on the economy is so many other areas.

What is somewhat funny, we agree 100% on the immigration issue. I was just stating that the tax issue is not as black and white as it may appear. You choose to pick a fight by misrepresenting me and trying to embarrass me by altering your sig.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Other federal programs affected include $1.9 billion for food assistance programs; $1.6 billion for the federal prison and court systems; and $1.4 billion in federal aid to schools.

All of which I have stipulated and believe to be a horrible injustice. However, it is not on point.

EDIT: you left out health care which is another "tax" on the economy.

Originally Posted by Pepper

I guess I should also challenge you to show me where I:
1) supported illegal immigration
2) denied the drain on the economy is so many other areas.

What is somewhat funny, we agree 100% on the immigration issue. I was just stating that the tax issue is not as black and white as it may appear. You choose to pick a fight by misrepresenting me and trying to embarrass me by altering your sig.

You supported illegal immigration by not reporting it and getting paid for working for a company that hired these people.

And you picked the fight, and you continued to do it by your offensive signature defaming me and now this immature thraed attacking me.

Who are you arguing with when you point out the cost of illegal immigrats?

Certainly not me, I agree with you.

This thread challenges you to prove me wrong on the narrow issue of the taxes on THIS company.

I am guessing you can't, so you are changing the subject.

Originally Posted by Pepper

All of which I have stipulated and believe to be a horrible injustice. However, it is not on point.

EDIT: you left out health care which is another "tax" on the economy.

I left out nothing, read the entire post....I gave you a two links and said to read them.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

and you continued to do it by your offensive signature .

Which have been gone since Monday.

Originally Posted by Pepper

Who are you arguing with when you point out the cost of illegal immigrats?

Certainly not me, I agree with you.

This thread challenges you to prove me wrong on the narrow issue of the taxes on THIS company.

I am guessing you can't, so you are changing the subject.

I did, go back and read the drain on our Country they cause.