Every American Should Read This

aceshigh · 05-22-2006, 10:51 AM

If we are committed to the existence of values, morals and ethics, we are schizophrenic and consequently insane. If we are not committed to values, morals and ethics, then confusion, conflict and insanity are not a part of our psychological nature.

Witmaster · 05-22-2006, 11:02 AM

Care to disclose your premise for this forgone conclusion?

Little Wing · 05-22-2006, 11:23 AM

yea just look around you for the existance of true justice... if you try to bend the system to attain it you will be called insane. government is so corrupt only a real nutjob would try to stand against it. sad.

Steele20 · 05-22-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

If we are committed to the existence of values, morals and ethics, we are schizophrenic and consequently insane. If we are not committed to values, morals and ethics, then confusion, conflict and insanity are not a part of our psychological nature.

This is stupid. However, you are also stupid so it works well.

Little Wing · 05-22-2006, 11:46 AM

any internal moral struggle can make you see yourself as two people. for instance i like porn and at the same time feel that in supporting it i am contributing to peoples sisters, daughters even mothers being treated badly. on the other hand i don't want to give up watching it.

Witmaster · 05-22-2006, 11:51 AM

So....... in reality.. this particular thread is not exclusive to "Americans" as the title would suggest?

Your illustration is perfect, LW, however I would submit that this duel-edged moral conflict is one shared by every nation and culture in some form or fashion.

DOMS · 05-22-2006, 12:02 PM

Very true Witmaster. Take the Muslims for example. Every day they must struggle with the dilemma of "I like to cut off people's hands, but is it really an appropriate punishment for stealing bread?"

lnvanry · 05-22-2006, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

If we are committed to the existence of values, morals and ethics, we are schizophrenic and consequently insane. If we are not committed to values, morals and ethics, then confusion, conflict and insanity are not a part of our psychological nature.

Its Bush's fault

Bazooka Tooth · 05-22-2006, 04:37 PM

skaterdude · 05-22-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Steele20

This is stupid. However, you are also stupid so it works well.

**Prince** · 05-22-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Wing

government is so corrupt only a real nutjob would try to stand against it. sad.

as is religion

maniclion · 05-22-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

as is religion

With the current mix I don't see a difference?????

**Prince** · 05-22-2006, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by maniclion

With the current mix I don't see a difference?????

good point, so much for separating church from state, heh?

BoneCrusher · 05-22-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

good point, so much for separating church from state, heh?

Most all governments have historically been saturated with the majority religion. We are no different ... we just wish we were.

aceshigh · 05-22-2006, 11:11 PM

without the existence of values morals and ethics, there would be alot less suicide and depression in american society, yet your government tries to push these things on to you

Witmaster · 05-23-2006, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

without the existence of values morals and ethics, there would be alot less suicide and depression in american society, yet your government tries to push these things on to you

So...... If we had abslutely NO VALUE for life you think we would be less inclined to commit suicide? If there were no moral conviction to prevent someone from killing themselves you somehow think they would be less inclined to do so? If I see no ethical conflict with suicide you think I would be less inclined to carry out the act?

Your "anarchist" mentality may seem appealing to the less diligent but upon close examination it is really quite shallow and flawed.

Also... you speak as if suicide is something exclusive to the U.S. While it is true that America does have one of the highest suicide rates, the same can also apply to other countries such as, Germany, Japan, Canada, China, Denmark, Belgium, France, Kazakhstan, Malta, Netherlands... just to name a few.

aceshigh · 05-23-2006, 09:08 AM

We must eliminate from the mind the culturally and existentially indoctrinated, illusionary concepts of good and bad, right and wrong, ugly and beautiful, great and inferior, etc.

Witmaster · 05-23-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by aceshigh

We must eliminate from the mind the culturally and existentially indoctrinated, illusionary concepts of good and bad, right and wrong, ugly and beautiful, great and inferior, etc.

yea... and then we drop acid and all live in a perfect harmonious utopian society...

This type of mentality runs parallel to the non-achiever mindset that says, "I never set any personal goals... therefore I am never dissapointed in my lack of accomplishments."

aceshigh · 05-23-2006, 09:17 AM

The ego is defined as a primary state of mind, at one with reality, having no conscience and is consciously aware of "i am" and "it is". The "super-ego" is a secondary state of mind, not existing at birth, but originating at the moment of our affirmative commitment to values, morals and ethics and only then after intensive cultural/existential indoctrination, creates ego conscience, and is mind self-consciously aware of "i am more or less than" and "it is more or less than". The "ego" perceives reality as it is. The super-ego places values, morals and ethics on that perception. The "super-ego" is the psychological judge, jury and keeper of prison of the cultural/existential mind. The cultural mind and the existential mind are both rooted in super-ego function, stated by their values, morals and ethics. The difference being, the cultural mind speaks of "our" values and the existential mind speaks of "my" values. The post cultural/existential, reality centered mind speaks of "no" values. Zen, as represented by Enlightenment and Satori, is in direct opposition of the fascistic/dictatorial control the super-ego has over the mind of the individual and over the cultural pattern. Zen, as presented, is the mortal enemy of the cultural/existential super-ego. Zen, is the mortal enemy of any individual, organization or religion committed to the illusion that is values, morals or ethics.

aceshigh · 05-23-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Witmaster

So...... If we had abslutely NO VALUE for life you think we would be less inclined to commit suicide? If there were no moral conviction to prevent someone from killing themselves you somehow think they would be less inclined to do so? If I see no ethical conflict with suicide you think I would be less inclined to carry out the act?

Your "anarchist" mentality may seem appealing to the less diligent but upon close examination it is really quite shallow and flawed.

Also... you speak as if suicide is something exclusive to the U.S. While it is true that America does have one of the highest suicide rates, the same can also apply to other countries such as, Germany, Japan, Canada, China, Denmark, Belgium, France, Kazakhstan, Malta, Netherlands... just to name a few.

mwahaahahaaahahaah its buddhist stuff man and u reckon its an anarchist mentality thats hell funny

Witmaster · 05-23-2006, 09:51 AM

Try to be original. Plagiarizing someone else's ideas in an attempt to appear credible is belittling (and insulting).

Other sources for your direct quotes can be found in:

Altruism_&_Altruistic_Love

The_Psycology_of_War

Religion_Without_God

aceshigh · 05-23-2006, 09:55 AM

i never said it was my own stuff, i was just wanting to see what people thought about these ideas

aceshigh · 05-23-2006, 09:58 AM

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/...rma/zen30.html
its actually from this site, my mrs has been reading a few things and i just wanted to see what other people thought about it

TJ Cline · 05-23-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Witmaster

Try to be original. Plagiarizing someone else's ideas in an attempt to appear credible is belittling (and insulting).

Other sources for your direct quotes can be found in:

Altruism_&_Altruistic_Love

The_Psycology_of_War

Religion_Without_God

Witmaster · 05-23-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

YOU of all people!!!!!

DOMS · 05-23-2006, 02:26 PM

05-22-2006, 10:51 AM	#1
aceshigh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,822	Every American Should Read This BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com If we are committed to the existence of values, morals and ethics, we are schizophrenic and consequently insane. If we are not committed to values, morals and ethics, then confusion, conflict and insanity are not a part of our psychological nature.
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05-22-2006, 11:02 AM	#2
Witmaster Esprit de Corps Elite Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,783 Photos: 6	Care to disclose your premise for this forgone conclusion?
	NEVER write a check with your mouth that you can't cash with your ASS!! I can run faster mad than you can scared "All right brain... I don't like you and you don't like me. So let's just do this and I'll get back to killing you with beer" ~ Homer Simpson

05-22-2006, 11:51 AM	#6
Witmaster Esprit de Corps Elite Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,783 Photos: 6	So....... in reality.. this particular thread is not exclusive to "Americans" as the title would suggest? Your illustration is perfect, LW, however I would submit that this duel-edged moral conflict is one shared by every nation and culture in some form or fashion.
	NEVER write a check with your mouth that you can't cash with your ASS!! I can run faster mad than you can scared "All right brain... I don't like you and you don't like me. So let's just do this and I'll get back to killing you with beer" ~ Homer Simpson

05-22-2006, 11:11 PM	#15
aceshigh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,822	without the existence of values morals and ethics, there would be alot less suicide and depression in american society, yet your government tries to push these things on to you
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05-23-2006, 09:08 AM	#17
aceshigh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,822	We must eliminate from the mind the culturally and existentially indoctrinated, illusionary concepts of good and bad, right and wrong, ugly and beautiful, great and inferior, etc.
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05-22-2006, 11:23 AM	#3
Little Wing SEMPER~FIDELIS Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 20,827 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 191	yea just look around you for the existance of true justice... if you try to bend the system to attain it you will be called insane. government is so corrupt only a real nutjob would try to stand against it. sad.

05-22-2006, 11:46 AM	#5
Little Wing SEMPER~FIDELIS Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: United States Posts: 20,827 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 191	any internal moral struggle can make you see yourself as two people. for instance i like porn and at the same time feel that in supporting it i am contributing to peoples sisters, daughters even mothers being treated badly. on the other hand i don't want to give up watching it.

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05-23-2006, 09:17 AM	#19
aceshigh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,822	The ego is defined as a primary state of mind, at one with reality, having no conscience and is consciously aware of "i am" and "it is". The "super-ego" is a secondary state of mind, not existing at birth, but originating at the moment of our affirmative commitment to values, morals and ethics and only then after intensive cultural/existential indoctrination, creates ego conscience, and is mind self-consciously aware of "i am more or less than" and "it is more or less than". The "ego" perceives reality as it is. The super-ego places values, morals and ethics on that perception. The "super-ego" is the psychological judge, jury and keeper of prison of the cultural/existential mind. The cultural mind and the existential mind are both rooted in super-ego function, stated by their values, morals and ethics. The difference being, the cultural mind speaks of "our" values and the existential mind speaks of "my" values. The post cultural/existential, reality centered mind speaks of "no" values. Zen, as represented by Enlightenment and Satori, is in direct opposition of the fascistic/dictatorial control the super-ego has over the mind of the individual and over the cultural pattern. Zen, as presented, is the mortal enemy of the cultural/existential super-ego. Zen, is the mortal enemy of any individual, organization or religion committed to the illusion that is values, morals or ethics.
aceshigh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,822

05-23-2006, 09:51 AM	#21
Witmaster Esprit de Corps Elite Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,783 Photos: 6	Try to be original. Plagiarizing someone else's ideas in an attempt to appear credible is belittling (and insulting). Other sources for your direct quotes can be found in: Altruism_&_Altruistic_Love The_Psycology_of_War Religion_Without_God
	NEVER write a check with your mouth that you can't cash with your ASS!! I can run faster mad than you can scared "All right brain... I don't like you and you don't like me. So let's just do this and I'll get back to killing you with beer" ~ Homer Simpson

05-23-2006, 09:55 AM	#22
aceshigh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,822	i never said it was my own stuff, i was just wanting to see what people thought about these ideas
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05-23-2006, 09:58 AM	#23
aceshigh Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,822	http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/...rma/zen30.html its actually from this site, my mrs has been reading a few things and i just wanted to see what other people thought about it
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