Thread: Racist?

Not too sure i fully understand your question but isn't that kinda what the census bureau, and stastics departments do?

In other words, should racism be used in hiring practices to ensure that we all get a false sense of racial harmony? Should skin color be a basis for whether someone does or does not get a job? Should standards be lowered to ensure that this is possible, even when there are enough qualified people to fill the positions?

No. Call me old fashioned, or "racist," but I think people should be get a job based on merit rather than a facially racist hiring criteria. Race is an arbitrary social distinction anyway. Of course, they do say "fight fire with fire," so maybe I am wrong and we should continue to fight racism with racism.

Don't we already have that foreman....affirmative action.

Originally Posted by clemson357

In other words, should racism be used in hiring practices to ensure that we all get a false sense of racial harmony? Should skin color be a basis for whether someone does or does not get a job? Should standards be lowered to ensure that this is possible, even when there are enough qualified people to fill the positions?

No. Call me old fashioned, or "racist," but I think people should be get a job based on merit rather than a facially racist hiring criteria. Race is an arbitrary social distinction anyway. Of course, they do say "fight fire with fire," so maybe I am wrong and we should continue to fight racism with racism.

This kind of shit creates more racism than it will ever "fix."

no people should be hired for their intelligence, sense of morals and ethics. best man or woman for the job period. it's a damn shame other things get in the way of people seeing what is inside a person and judging them on that alone but face it people are ignorant and false judgements are passed so it's up to us to see how stupid we are and try to balance it out with more stupidity. it's a fucking mess.

or i could have went with ...

racist? last time i went to the racist i was seben. the green car won.

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At least from where I am, and how I can relate to this, Affirmitive Action is bullshit. It shouldn't matter what you skin color is (wait am I racist or not now?) for job/school/whatever. I missed out on going to Univ. of Michigan for "unknown reasons" aka they don't admit very many white people. Granted I'm glad I didn't because I couldn't be happier in the prof. I'm in now but..

Racist/Old Fashioned/whatever... I thought we were all equal.

Stratification
The point on which all the others ultimately rest. There can be no more myth of "equality" for all - it only translates to "mediocrity" and supports the weak at the expense to the strong. Water must be allowed to seek its own level without interference from apologists for incompetence. No one should be protected from the effects of his own stupidity.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Should governmental organizations have staffs that accurately reflect the racial, ethnic, and gender balance in society?

No! It should be made up by those you can best do the job... Whatever color/gender they may be.

Originally Posted by StFlorian

At least from where I am, and how I can relate to this, Affirmitive Action is bullshit. It shouldn't matter what you skin color is (wait am I racist or not now?) for job/school/whatever. I missed out on going to Univ. of Michigan for "unknown reasons" aka they don't admit very many white people. Granted I'm glad I didn't because I couldn't be happier in the prof. I'm in now but..

Racist/Old Fashioned/whatever... I thought we were all equal.

http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/pressrel/2003/030217.htm

AAMC Files Brief in Support of University of Michigan Admissions Policy

Press Release

C
or Immediate Release

Washington, D.C., February 17, 2003 - The Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC), along with numerous healthcare-related organizations, will file a brief tomorrow in support of the University of Michigan in the Grutter v. Bollinger case, now before the Supreme Court of the United States. This case, one of two affirmative action cases being considered by the Court, challenges the University of Michigan's use of racial preferences in its law school's admissions policies.
As representatives of the nation's 126 medical schools, the AAMC argues in the brief that the medical profession must be able to consider race and ethnicity in selecting students in order to graduate a capable, effective physician workforce prepared to meet the needs of a diverse society. Without race-conscious admissions policies, medical schools would be unable to increase the number of minority physicians necessary to serve America and its ever-growing minority population, expand areas of academic research, and raise the general cultural competence of all physicians.
"A reasonable balance in the racial and ethnic composition of our nation's physician workforce is essential if we are to care for an increasingly diverse population. No alternative to affirmative action in medical school admissions exists for meeting that need," said AAMC President Jordan J. Cohen, M.D. "In ruling on the affirmative action cases now before it, the Supreme Court must provide a clear means for allowing the medical and health professions to fulfill their solemn societal obligation."
At present, virtually all medical schools take race and ethnicity into consideration during the competitive admissions process. The AAMC contends that if schools were to ignore the race of applicants the percent of students from underrepresented minority backgrounds would fall from the current level of 11 percent to no more than 3 percent of the student population of medical schools. This is at a time when African Americans, Native Americans, Mexican Americans and Mainland Puerto Ricans make up 23 percent of the United States' general population.
In its argument, the AAMC brief explains first why society has a critical need for more minority physicians. Some of the key reasons-

• Existing health care disparities will only increase as the minority population grows.
• Minority physicians are more willing to practice in underserved areas.
• Minority patients' trust in the health care system increases when treated by members of their own racial or ethnic group.
• More minorities in medical student populations lead to diversity in medical research.

The brief goes on to point out how classroom diversity also helps to create physicians and health care managers who are both proficient and culturally competent.
"Only by encountering and interacting with others from different life experiences can students transcend their own viewpoint and see the world from a different perspective." (page 17, AAMC amicus brief, Grutter v. Bollinger)

Such awareness is an invaluable asset for physicians entering the workforce in the 21st century.
An additional key point examined in the AAMC brief is how reliance solely on academic credentials would dramatically decrease the number of minority medical students. Only very small percentages of underrepresented minority applicants score as well on the Medical College Admissions Test (MCAT®) and maintain as high a grade point average as the great majority of white and Asian applicants. The reasons for this are not clearly understood but may include: poorer quality schools available to many minority students; lower educational attainment of parents; and stereotypic attitudes that stifle academic achievement. Despite this reality, medical school admissions officers have been successful in identifying the qualities of mind and spirit minority applicants need to succeed as medical students and future doctors. Over 90 percent of the underrepresented minority students admitted to medical school graduate.
A complete copy of the AAMC brief can be found at (http://www.aamc.org/affirmativeaction).

I've got a life threatning medical condition and my doctor was admitted to medical school not because he was actually smart, but becausee he was a particular skin color. Just fucking great!

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I've got a life threatning medical condition and my doctor was admitted to medical school not because he was actually smart, but becausee he was a particular skin color. Just fucking great!

True Story, after he finishes the operation to remove your malfunctioning heart, he slam dunks the new one in your chest.

I'd be afraid to have a non-white doctor. I always have to wonder what his qualifications were: a doctorate or affirmative action.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'd be afraid to have a non-white doctor. I always have to wonder what his qualifications were: a doctorate or affirmative action.

In the words of Foreman, RACIST!

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I've got a life threatning medical condition and my doctor was admitted to medical school not because he was actually smart, but becausee he was a particular skin color. Just fucking great!

I didn't know herpes was life-threatening, topolo, you may want to go get checked out.

Originally Posted by shiznit2169

In the words of Foreman, RACIST!

It's on my license plate.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/pressrel/2003/030217.htm

AAMC Files Brief in Support of University of Michigan Admissions Policy

Press Release

C
or Immediate Release

Washington, D.C., February 17, 2003 - The Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC), along with numerous healthcare-related organizations, will file a brief tomorrow in support of the University of Michigan in the Grutter v. Bollinger case, now before the Supreme Court of the United States. This case, one of two affirmative action cases being considered by the Court, challenges the University of Michigan's use of racial preferences in its law school's admissions policies.
As representatives of the nation's 126 medical schools, the AAMC argues in the brief that the medical profession must be able to consider race and ethnicity in selecting students in order to graduate a capable, effective physician workforce prepared to meet the needs of a diverse society. Without race-conscious admissions policies, medical schools would be unable to increase the number of minority physicians necessary to serve America and its ever-growing minority population, expand areas of academic research, and raise the general cultural competence of all physicians.
"A reasonable balance in the racial and ethnic composition of our nation's physician workforce is essential if we are to care for an increasingly diverse population. No alternative to affirmative action in medical school admissions exists for meeting that need," said AAMC President Jordan J. Cohen, M.D. "In ruling on the affirmative action cases now before it, the Supreme Court must provide a clear means for allowing the medical and health professions to fulfill their solemn societal obligation."
At present, virtually all medical schools take race and ethnicity into consideration during the competitive admissions process. The AAMC contends that if schools were to ignore the race of applicants the percent of students from underrepresented minority backgrounds would fall from the current level of 11 percent to no more than 3 percent of the student population of medical schools. This is at a time when African Americans, Native Americans, Mexican Americans and Mainland Puerto Ricans make up 23 percent of the United States' general population.
In its argument, the AAMC brief explains first why society has a critical need for more minority physicians. Some of the key reasons-

• Existing health care disparities will only increase as the minority population grows.
• Minority physicians are more willing to practice in underserved areas.
• Minority patients' trust in the health care system increases when treated by members of their own racial or ethnic group.
• More minorities in medical student populations lead to diversity in medical research.

The brief goes on to point out how classroom diversity also helps to create physicians and health care managers who are both proficient and culturally competent.
"Only by encountering and interacting with others from different life experiences can students transcend their own viewpoint and see the world from a different perspective." (page 17, AAMC amicus brief, Grutter v. Bollinger)

Such awareness is an invaluable asset for physicians entering the workforce in the 21st century.
An additional key point examined in the AAMC brief is how reliance solely on academic credentials would dramatically decrease the number of minority medical students. Only very small percentages of underrepresented minority applicants score as well on the Medical College Admissions Test (MCAT®) and maintain as high a grade point average as the great majority of white and Asian applicants. The reasons for this are not clearly understood but may include: poorer quality schools available to many minority students; lower educational attainment of parents; and stereotypic attitudes that stifle academic achievement. Despite this reality, medical school admissions officers have been successful in identifying the qualities of mind and spirit minority applicants need to succeed as medical students and future doctors. Over 90 percent of the underrepresented minority students admitted to medical school graduate.
A complete copy of the AAMC brief can be found at (http://www.aamc.org/affirmativeaction).

Ok so what about all the non-medical students? Would you really trust a person of your own race rather one that isnt? Is it really THAT big of an ordeal?

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I've got a life threatning medical condition and my doctor was admitted to medical school not because he was actually smart, but becausee he was a particular skin color. Just fucking great!

Originally Posted by BigDyl

True Story, after he finishes the operation to remove your malfunctioning heart, he slam dunks the new one in your chest.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'd be afraid to have a non-white doctor. I always have to wonder what his qualifications were: a doctorate or affirmative action.

Quotes have my boss cracking up...
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Originally Posted by DOMS

I'd be afraid to have a non-white doctor. I always have to wonder what his qualifications were: a doctorate or affirmative action.

When I make appointments through my provider I always ask what race the Doctor is and what country he/she was born in.

We've had a massive increase of doctors from India and Pakastan.

I have no idea what thier qualifications are but it sure is hard as hell to understand them sometimes

I just shot a big load all over my desk.

You people need to get out more, and I don't just mean outside I mean out of your cities, states, countries these measly little worlds, microcosms you're living in. When I moved to Hawaii and became a minority it really changed me for the better and I was hardly a racist before that.

Originally Posted by topolo

I just shot a big load all over my desk.

Whose gonna clean up this mess!?

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Whose gonna clean up this mess!?

Doublebase, of course.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Should governmental organizations have staffs that accurately reflect the racial, ethnic, and gender balance in society?

White male conservatives would never go for that - they've convinced themselves that they hold 85% of federal elected offices because they are just naturally mentally superior and work harder than anyone else.

I think it's stupid. People are getting screwed who shouldn't be; people who shouldn't be afforded certain opportunities are getting them too easily; life sucks, but what else is new?