Thread: I will not kill

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Originally Posted by ForemanRules

http://www.iwillnotkill.org/


The “I Will Not Kill” campaign aims to:

· affirm the right of conscientious objection and support the right of people to have a choice whether or not to serve

· oppose a future draft

· encourage those who are targeted by recruiters to check out the reality of the military

· raise awareness of resistance to war and share the ideas with other youth

· educate high school and college age youth about the impacts of and alternatives to war

· dismantle the selective service system and promote a culture of life

True Story, I disagree 100%. I think we should nuke all nations that oppose us, including all nations that we don't undertand which includes 100% of all nations.

I am assuming this includes the killing of innocents?

Originally Posted by topolo

I am assuming this includes the killing of innocents?

Yes, I have too much pitty in my heart to kill them.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

educate high school and college age youth about the impacts of and alternatives to war

Being French.

sounds like hippie bullshit to me.

I know everyone here is comfortable at night in your nice bed after just having filled up on fatburger and cola, but believe it or not the world is not a fairytale, it isn't a nice place, and war is an unfortunate necessity. Take this cuddly bullshit elsewhere.

Originally Posted by clemson357

sounds like hippie bullshit to me.

I know everyone here is comfortable at night in your nice bed after just having filled up on fatburger and cola, but believe it or not the world is not a fairytale, it isn't a nice place, and war is an unfortunate necessity. Take this cuddly bullshit elsewhere.

With the United States expanding its military presence throughout the world and with large amounts of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan the military is being spread thin. Another complication is that military recruiting numbers are currently falling. Depending on the current Bush Administration's foreign policy, there is always a possibility that a draft could be reinstated.

A draft today would call on all 18 to 26-year-old Americans. It would allow for no exceptions for women and college students. This would mean all 18 to 26-year-olds would be eligible, unlike past drafts. The draft was last enacted in 1973 during the Vietnam War.

In 2003, when Congress Charles Rangel, D-NY, introduced a bill to reinstate the draft for the Iraq War, he said conscription would force privileged Americans to share the burden of military service now disproportionately carried by the poor and people of color. Another part of Rangel's argument for conscription was that future wars would be made less likely by the reintroduction of the draft.

However, history has proven that conscription has never made the Armed Services more equitable, racially or economically. During the Vietnam War, people of color draftees disproportionately served on the front lines. People who are more affluent had, and still have, the means to gain medical deferments, or to secure soft, safe positions. AND the draft has never acted as a deterrent to war. In fact while the draft was in effect, the United States has begun numerous wars. The draft is usually reinstated to ensure a steady flow of soldiers into battle.

It is our belief that people have the right to serve, if they so choose to but that no one should be forced to serve involuntarily. As the Friends Committee on National Legislation said, "Compulsory national service would threaten our basic liberty and undermine the very principle of voluntary service to community."

I probably can't post an argument in this thread,
as every man in my bloodline, who I have known
has volunteered to serve in time of war...

My grandfather faked his birthdate and went to Italy at 15 -

Originally Posted by clemson357

sounds like hippie bullshit to me.

I know everyone here is comfortable at night in your nice bed after just having filled up on fatburger and cola, but believe it or not the world is not a fairytale, it isn't a nice place, and war is an unfortunate necessity. Take this cuddly bullshit elsewhere.

How did you know about that?

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

I probably can't post an argument in this thread,
as every man in my bloodline, who I have known
has volunteered to serve in time of war...

My grandfather faked his birthdate and went to Italy at 15 -

It's easy to argue that there shouldn't be a draft, the hard part is saying there should be one. In that case, I will say that you must remember we had to fight to get freedom so it makes sense we have to fight to keep freedom.

Originally Posted by StickCity

It's easy to argue that there shouldn't be a draft, the hard part is saying there should be one. In that case, I will say that you must remember we had to fight to get freedom so it makes sense we have to fight to keep freedom.

I agree, we had to fight all the other greedy swine that had as much claim to America as we did, plus we had to commit genocide on the Indians and take threir land....we have to keep the fight for our "freedom" alive.

just because a bunch of boot wearing, butt ugly, can't get a man so i'll pretend i never wanted one bulldykes pissed n whined till they got equal fucking rights cuz they couldn't get the cock they really wanted to begin with n fucked up the whole man woman role thing doesn't in any fucking way mean it's okay to draft real women... wtf? someone needs to get a bigass million feminist rally going n pay flex to bomb their asses.

let's piss a bunch of people off by putting them in the service when they don't want to be there n then give them guns n grenades n planes with big bombs.... yea that'd be brilliant. anyone say fragged your commanding officer today? we are becoming less and less a country of sheep. today the draft would be stupid and dangerous.

Under very specific circumstances... essentially if someone were trying to invade the country, then a draft would be acceptable.(however, under those circumstances I highly doubt a draft would be an issue) However, to fight for the benefit of other countries, or to protect investments, absolutley not.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

encourage those who are targeted by recruiters to check out the reality of the military

Oh really? WHO'S reality?

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Oh really? WHO'S reality?

So you think the TV adds for the American military are reality???

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I agree, we had to fight all the other greedy swine that had as much claim to America as we did, plus we had to commit genocide on the Indians and take threir land....we have to keep the fight for our "freedom" alive.

None of that seems to be stopping you from enjoying the freedoms associated with being an American citizen. What would you propose we do instead? All hop on a ship and head back to Europe and give North America back to the Indians? Noble, but hardly realistic. What was done five and six hundred years ago is done, deal with it and move on. The land is ours now, we won. It's called "the spoils of war". Again, if that something you can handle, you're more than welcome to go home.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

So you think the TV adds for the American military are reality???

Answering a question with a question usually proves your bluff has been called.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

None of that seems to be stopping you from enjoying the freedoms associated with being an American citizen. What would you propose we do instead? All hop on a ship and head back to Europe and give North America back to the Indians? Noble, but hardly realistic. What was done five and six hundred years ago is done, deal with it and move on. The land is ours now, we won. It's called "the spoils of war". Again, if that something you can handle, you're more than welcome to go home.

I do not have a time machine son, so it would be difficult for me to change the past. Try to stick to the topic and leave fantasy land out of it.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

Answering a question with a question usually proves your bluff has been called.

Cirlcle talk son, that's all you can do....and be all that you can be

I've posted three legitimate replies/questions and you can't muster a single thread of logical thought to reply. Nice. At least you remain consistant.

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I've posted three legitimate replies/questions and you can't muster a single thread of logical thought to reply. Nice. At least you remain consistant.

You posted excriment as usual, bottom line is the US army shows TV spots that glorify war and killing, they make it look like you are 100% safe and you will have a great job experiance to help you in the real world....please!!! Sure 10-15% of the people will have good job experiance but most will not....and most will not get the things the recruiter promises them.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

You posted excriment as usual, bottom line is the US army shows TV spots that glorify war and killing, they make it look like you are 100% safe and you will have a great job experiance to help you in the real world....please!!! Sure 10-15% of the people will have good job experiance but most will not....and most will not get the things the recruiter promises them.

There ya' go. All you had to do was relate your opinion. That wasn't so hard, was it?

This may surprise you, but I wasn't baiting you with my first question. You and I actualy agree on this subject. I think recruiting commercials are terribly misleading. I despise most recruiters too. Having been a recruiter for two years myself I have first hand knowledge of the completely dishonest things THEY say and do. I can honestly say THEY because I never resorted to those tactics. That's why I was fired after only two years. I did have one amazing statistic, not one single person I enlisted failed to ship to Basic Training. I made 100% sure they knew exactly what they were getting themselves into and what to expect. That's what made me a lousy recruiter. Oh well, at least my conscience was, and is, clear.

When you have a thought out answer to a question posted or an opinion as to why it is wrong then you will get more details on my opinion......see now that's not hard for you to understand. It only took you four posts to actually say something .

Originally Posted by ALBOB

I made 100% sure they knew exactly what they were getting themselves into and what to expect. That's what made me a lousy recruiter. Oh well, at least my conscience was, and is, clear.

Come on that was for the Air Force like they'd be scared of anything anyway....

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

With the United States expanding its military presence throughout the world and with large amounts of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan the military is being spread thin. Another complication is that military recruiting numbers are currently falling. Depending on the current Bush Administration's foreign policy, there is always a possibility that a draft could be reinstated.

A draft today would call on all 18 to 26-year-old Americans. It would allow for no exceptions for women and college students. This would mean all 18 to 26-year-olds would be eligible, unlike past drafts. The draft was last enacted in 1973 during the Vietnam War.

In 2003, when Congress Charles Rangel, D-NY, introduced a bill to reinstate the draft for the Iraq War, he said conscription would force privileged Americans to share the burden of military service now disproportionately carried by the poor and people of color. Another part of Rangel's argument for conscription was that future wars would be made less likely by the reintroduction of the draft.

However, history has proven that conscription has never made the Armed Services more equitable, racially or economically. During the Vietnam War, people of color draftees disproportionately served on the front lines. People who are more affluent had, and still have, the means to gain medical deferments, or to secure soft, safe positions. AND the draft has never acted as a deterrent to war. In fact while the draft was in effect, the United States has begun numerous wars. The draft is usually reinstated to ensure a steady flow of soldiers into battle.

It is our belief that people have the right to serve, if they so choose to but that no one should be forced to serve involuntarily. As the Friends Committee on National Legislation said, "Compulsory national service would threaten our basic liberty and undermine the very principle of voluntary service to community."

Congradulations. You managed to play the race card in a context where it has absolutely no relevance.

Originally Posted by clemson357

Congradulations. You managed to play the race card in a context where it has absolutely no relevance.

Yo,


I will not kill, not spill,
any blood
from an iraqi's lungs, from any loved ones
in a country we don't understand
undoubtably rhymes with a stan or
has a poster boy madman
there's too many of those in every land
every continent in the world is
cosumed by greed
by the need for profit over people
while the rest can die and bleed
can go lead dead end lives
and watch their families die in the genocide