I could care less about Israel, but...

**joesmooth20** · 07-15-2006, 05:19 AM

Is it wrong to think the world should ban the practice of Islam?

**Witmaster** · 07-15-2006, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

I agree, when warmongers and wingnuts have no intelligent and/or logical response they just call names.

Hey... if the shoe fits ....

**TJ Cline** · 07-15-2006, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Witmaster

Hey... if the shoe fits ....

You see that, young lady? Respect. Respect for one's elders gives character.

**goob** · 07-15-2006, 06:53 AM

" i fought the war,
i fought the war
i fought the war
but the war won,
stop for the love of god"

"Metric" - Monster hospital.

Never a truer word spoken in song.

War has no winners (except for US oil interests)

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 09:32 AM

largepkg, how do you disagree with kbm's first statement? It is a resolute fact that there are mass innocent casualties in war. You can't deny it. Or do you just disagree with his statement that innocent people don't deserve to die?

**fUnc17** · 07-15-2006, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

The former is a complete load of horseshit. The latter is probably true to some extent, but exaggerated.

thats bullshit, CP. your just taking from what he said what you want to hear and twisting it. he said what he said and it is 100% true. Israel is a LOGICAL country. You cannot use logic to describe what the PLO is doing. They are not logical, civilized normal people! They are brainwashed from birth to learn to hate, they have an extremist religion which gives them a reason to kill AS MANY PEOPLE AS THEY CAN. Do you think the suicide bomber walking on the bus checks to make sure theres no children on the bus? Fuck no! The more the merrier! The PLO doesn't distinguish between races, gender, or nationality... they think everyone that does not think like them needs to die.

When has the PLO ever built any fucking houses, buildings, or business'? All they know how to do is blow shit up, they offer nothing to the human race, they're a god damn disease.

It is like Israel is living in the jungles of vietfuckingNam. The PLO is using guerrilla warfare against them because they know using conventional warfare will cause them to be completely eliminated. You think Israel doesn't want to live in peace? Imagine the pressure that government has on upon itself from all its citizens sick of tired of getting blown the fuck up by some lunatic.

Thats the thing. The PLO WANTS TO KILL PEOPLE, they dont want to stop, EVER, until every Israeli is GONE. And who says they want to stop there? What if all of a sudden suicide bombers start attacking the shit out of the U.S. Would you want to live in that shit? And wouldn't you want something done about it? We can't make everyone happy, it isn't going to work, and some people will disagree... but taking that differing view so far extreme to the point where they're willing to kill innocent people to get their displeasure accross is DISGUSTING and is deservant of everything they got coming to them.

The PLO is a joke and is laughing there ass off at every pussy american saying what they are doing is "just" because of what Israel is doing. Thats fucking pathetic. Grow some balls people.

**DOMS** · 07-15-2006, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by fUnc17

When has the PLO ever built any fucking houses, buildings, or business'? All they know how to do is blow shit up, they offer nothing to the human race, they're a god damn disease.

Exactly. If they succeed against the Jews with suicide bombers, they'll going doing as standard practice. And I'm sure that dumbass people all over the world will be saying stupid shit like, "They're only blowing people up to get a better import price on wheat."

**largepkg** · 07-15-2006, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

largepkg, how do you disagree with kbm's first statement? It is a resolute fact that there are mass innocent casualties in war. You can't deny it. Or do you just disagree with his statement that innocent people don't deserve to die?

Originally Posted by kbm8795

It doesn't matter a whole lot whether they fall out of a jet or are strapped onto someone's meet-my-maker's body.

Like I said I disagree!

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 11:51 AM

fUnc, you're delusional if you think those in charge of the Israeli military care about killing civilians. It's also ridiculous to say that all Palestinians celebrate the deaths of innocent Israeli citizens. Yeah, the nutjob extremists do, but only a small fraction of them are nutjob extremists.

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by largepkg

Like I said I disagree!

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

**DOMS** · 07-15-2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

fUnc, you're delusional if you think those in charge of the Israeli military care about killing civilians. It's also ridiculous to say that all Palestinians celebrate the deaths of innocent Israeli citizens. Yeah, the nutjob extremists do, but only a small fraction of them are nutjob extremists.

So, they Jews don't care shit about civilians, and the Palestinians are just misunderstood.

Why don't you just fess up to being the anti-Semite that you are? I can't stand Muslims and freely say so. Why can't you do the same with the Jews? Why the lies?

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

So, they Jews don't care shit about civilians, and the Palestinians are just misunderstood.

Why don't you just fess up to being the anti-Semite that you are? I can't stand Muslims and freely say so. Why can't you do the same with the Jews? Why the lies?

Stop twisting my posts! You highlight everything but the very last sentence where I state the the extremist PLO people celebrate the deaths of innocent civilians. Plus, you take no note that I said THOSE IN CHARGE OF THE ISRAELI MILITARY don't care about killing innocent civilians, not all of Israel; very big difference.

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 12:00 PM

Basically, I think most people who have power are a bunch of scumbags, everywhere. Plain and simple. Many of those in the US government are a bunch of scumbags, but I can't pass down that judgement to all of the citizens.

The PLO and Israeli citizens are both getting fucked because the extremists and people with power have to continue having their goddamned pissing contests. Really, I'm more of an anarchist than anything. People can't have power without becoming corrupt. It's fucking ridiculous.

**KelJu** · 07-15-2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

Basically, I think most people who have power are a bunch of scumbags, everywhere. Plain and simple. Many of those in the US government are a bunch of scumbags, but I can't pass down that judgement to all of the citizens.

The PLO and Israeli citizens are both getting fucked because the extremists and people with power have to continue having their goddamned pissing contests. Really, I'm more of an anarchist than anything. People can't have power without becoming corrupt. It's fucking ridiculous.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I love that quote.

**pumpthatiron** · 07-15-2006, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

So, they Jews don't care shit about civilians, and the Palestinians are just misunderstood.

Why don't you just fess up to being the anti-Semite that you are? <b>I can't stand Muslims and freely say so.</b> Why can't you do the same with the Jews? Why the lies?

DOMs, you generalize all Muslims, and your hate for "Muslims" just goes to show your ignorance. Well I'm not going to waste my time on a lost cause, and you definitely aren't worth my time. Hopefully you will realize there is something inside of your head, and make use of it before spreading hate and violence...

**fUnc17** · 07-15-2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

fUnc, you're delusional if you think those in charge of the Israeli military care about killing civilians. It's also ridiculous to say that all Palestinians celebrate the deaths of innocent Israeli citizens. Yeah, the nutjob extremists do, but only a small fraction of them are nutjob extremists.

when the fuck did i say that? Israel singles out terrorists, not innocents, they try to kill the ones doing the killing. the PLO/hezbollah, etc. on the other hand does not distinguish between civilian, child, innocent, etc... they just kill as many as they can. And they are ALL nutbag extremists!! Would you feel safe living there? FUCK NO! The only reason they constitute any sort of problem to Israel is the first place is because the majority of them are nutbag extremists.

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by fUnc17

when the fuck did i say that?

Look at what I quoted when I made the post that you responded to in the first place.

Israel singles out terrorists, not innocents, they try to kill the ones doing the killing. the PLO/hezbollah, etc. on the other hand does not distinguish between civilian, child, innocent, etc... they just kill as many as they can.

You are just naive, or you are lacking good sources of information because the American press doesn't publish all the stories of civilian deaths committed by the Israeli military like many foreign sources do. Both of them kill plenty of innocents; Israel just tries to pretend like they actually care.

And they are ALL nutbag extremists!! Would you feel safe living there? FUCK NO! The only reason they constitute any sort of problem to Israel is the first place is because the majority of them are nutbag extremists.

No they aren't. Ridiculous nonsense.

**fUnc17** · 07-15-2006, 02:23 PM

You are just naive, or you are lacking good sources of information because the American press doesn't publish all the stories of civilian deaths committed by the Israeli military like many foreign sources do. Both of them kill plenty of innocents; Israel just tries to pretend like they actually care.

Not at all. I draw my own conclusions from many sources. Does Israel kill civilians? Yes. Does the USA kill civilians? Yes. Do they do it on purpose? I highly doubt they do it purposely. Palestine is not a country, Israel is. We know for a fact the PLO kills civilians intentionally... you dont just blow up a bus full of commuters and say they arent innocent civilians because their mind is too clouded with religious bullshit.

And yes they are all extremists, everyone of them. There is not one that is not sympathetic to the cause of the PLO, and if there was/is they would be killed by the PLO or one of their death squads.

I'd rather see the developed, established country of Israel succeed and make its region better than see the impoverished, no good, suicide vest wearing maniacs destroy everything. They don't give anything back to this world but violence and hate. They don't know how to build a bridge, they just know how to blow it up.

**CowPimp** · 07-15-2006, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by fUnc17

Not at all. I draw my own conclusions from many sources. Does Israel kill civilians? Yes. Does the USA kill civilians? Yes. Do they do it on purpose? I highly doubt they do it purposely. Palestine is not a country, Israel is. We know for a fact the PLO kills civilians intentionally... you dont just blow up a bus full of commuters and say they arent innocent civilians because their mind is too clouded with religious bullshit.

Again, I still think you're naive, but to each his own.

And yes they are all extremists, everyone of them. There is not one that is not sympathetic to the cause of the PLO, and if there was/is they would be killed by the PLO or one of their death squads.

Again, I still say you're being completely ridiculous.

I'd rather see the developed, established country of Israel succeed and make its region better than see the impoverished, no good, suicide vest wearing maniacs destroy everything. They don't give anything back to this world but violence and hate. They don't know how to build a bridge, they just know how to blow it up.

Israel is out of their fucking minds. They are going ballistic on Lebanon now too. War mongers like them don't deserve what they have.

We just need to segregate ourselves from the Middle East. At this point I feel like it's a lost cause. It will probably never end.

**TheGreatSatan** · 07-15-2006, 03:14 PM

fUnc17, you are awesome. ANyone who doesn't understand where you are coming from is an idiot. If they lived there a day, they'd change their position.

**DOMS** · 07-15-2006, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by pumpthatiron

DOMs, you generalize all Muslims, and your hate for "Muslims" just goes to show your ignorance. Well I'm not going to waste my time on a lost cause, and you definitely aren't worth my time.

Your time isn't worth anything. So?

**largepkg** · 07-15-2006, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by TheGreatSatan

fUnc17, you are awesome. ANyone who doesn't understand where you are coming from is an idiot. If they lived there a day, they'd change their position.

**maniclion** · 07-16-2006, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

The PLO and Israeli citizens are both getting fucked because the extremists and people with power have to continue having their goddamned pissing contests. Really, I'm more of an anarchist than anything. People can't have power without becoming corrupt. It's fucking ridiculous.

Exactly, if all Muslims are crazed extremists as many of you defending Isreal think then why is there a mass exodus of Muslims from Lebanon to Syria right now who are just trying to escape the violence?

**kbm8795** · 07-16-2006, 05:58 AM

Meanwhile, the Great Decider is managing to make a fool out of himself in Russia. . .touting the success of Iraq's "democracy" as he pressures Russia to make more reforms. . .and Putin gets a slam in at their press conference:

http://images1.americanprogress.org/...sh.320.240.mov

**aceshigh** · 07-16-2006, 10:35 AM

Putin is gonna kick some ass real soon

**TheGreatSatan** · 07-16-2006, 10:50 AM

As soon as he stops getting PAID by Iran.

**largepkg** · 07-16-2006, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by maniclion

Exactly, if all Muslims are crazed extremists as many of you defending Isreal think then why is there a mass exodus of Muslims from Lebanon to Syria right now who are just trying to escape the violence?

Lebanon has a lot of citizen that completely disagree with Hezbollah and their actions. Those are the ones leaving. I'm sure there are people in Palestine with the same views, just not as many I suspect.

**CowPimp** · 07-16-2006, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by largepkg

Lebanon has a lot of citizen that completely disagree with Hezbollah and their actions. Those are the ones leaving. I'm sure there are people in Palestine with the same views, just not as many I suspect.

Too bad a lot of them are trapped beacuse Israel blew up 50 different bridges and their airport. I think this is an overreaction. There are almost 150 Lebanese dead after only a few days, a significant percentage of them completely innocent citizens. These estimates are expected to increase as more deaths are reported too. Who knows how many injured, and how many homeless or without power.

**Pirate!** · 07-16-2006, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by CowPimp

We just need to segregate ourselves from the Middle East. At this point I feel like it's a lost cause. It will probably never end.

I couldn't agree more.

Unfortunately, our country's leaders feel that every country in the world needs to be a democracy. It's kind of like the Old Catholic church. Convert or be destroyed. That strategy simply doesn't work. The U.S. interest in Israel is in large based on the idea that Israel represents democracy in the Middle East. It isn't all money, corruption, social/political idealism, hate, self-interest etc. There are many factors.

No matter what you attribute it to, it is a tragedy. Yes, leaders from all the countries realize and accept that they are killing innocents--including children. The U.S. did the same thing in the Vietnamese war and every other war for that matter.

When it comes down to it, I detest these terrorist groups like Hezbollah. It was founded by a one of the world's foremost crackerjacks, Khomeini. In the 24 years of its existence, it has simply brought suffering and death to mankind. Any organization whose sole purpose is it to bring down others in an attempt to lift up one's self is corrupt and evil to begin with. Lebanon holds the responsibilities that come from harboring Hezbollah. It continues to be funded by Iran and Syria, too. If we let some other country start its own government and run the southern United States, what defense would we have when they start terrorizing other countries? Do you think the world would say, “It isn't the U.S. It's just the entire government that happens to be occupying the south?

Sure Israel has gone ape shit. They are fed up. My biggest concern is that the U.S. doesn’t start fighting this war. Iraq is a huge disaster, and we need to work toward just getting ourselves the hell out of that part of the world—including Afghanistan--and accept that oil prices are going way up.

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