Elections are 'Round the Corner

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 12:42 PM

Here’s a redacted article written by a man I am hardly in league with yet I agree with him on this issue. Elections are around the corner. If you want more of the same from the authors of torture, criminality, corruption, incompetence, and arguably genocide (if Johns Hopkins' report is credible) then vote a Bush-aligned Republican ticket. If you want merely benign incompetence, vote the Democratic ticket. Me, I’d rather have our constitutional form of government—flaws and all—than the current dictatorship that presides. Remember, government is not the solution, it’s the problem—minimize it.
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“The case for impeaching President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney is far stronger than the case against President Bill Clinton or the impending case that drove President Nixon to resign.

With Republican control of Congress, especially of the House where impeachment must originate, it is hardly surprising that impeachment of the Republican Bush administration is a dead letter.

What is surprising is that conservatives with a long tradition of adulation for the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights have not been up in arms against the Bush regime's all-out assault on the foundation of America's political system.

Democrats, no less than Republicans, have permitted the Bush regime to violate the separation of powers and the rule of law. …Just as the Reichstag faded away for Hitler, the U.S. Congress has faded away for the Bush administration.

…The Constitution and the political system based on it are on the ropes because the players no longer believe in them. They believe in executive power to act forcefully in behalf of "American exceptionalism."

Civil libertarians rely on the judiciary to defend constitutional rights…Without support from Congress, the judiciary cannot protect civil liberty. With the passage of the recent detainee and spy bills, Congress has allied itself with the Bush regime against civil liberty.

…if people believed in the principles of Stalinism, democracy would uphold Stalinism. If people believe in American hegemony, they will not complain when barriers to hegemonic actions are removed. If people believe fighting terrorism is more important than civil liberty, they will lose civil liberty.”

http://antiwar.com/roberts/
Paul Craig Roberts…was assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was associate editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and contributing editor of National Review.

Have a nice day!

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 01:36 PM

Torture: McCain endorsed Bush's Military Commissions Act of 2006 permitting the torture and suspension of habeus corpus.

Criminality: The invasion of Iraq authorized by Bush only, illegally misused the grant of Congressional authority in contravention of UN Security Council Resolution 1441. Bush broke the FISA law by ignoring legal procedure for implementing wire taps on americans.

Corruption: Too many to list (abrogation of constitutional duties to constitution) otherwise Forcing head actuary of Medicare to lie about the costs of the Bush Medicare legislation--undercutting its cost by 100 Billion dollars to effectuate its passage into law.

Incompetence: Katrina response, ongoing failure to address Iraq's spiral into civil war, fiscal negligence in losing literally billions of dollars in Iraq..poof, they're gone.

Genocide: The Johns Hopkins professors are calling out Bush and all people that challenge their findings re the 600,000+ dead to put up or shut up. So far, no takers.

**DOMS** · 10-17-2006, 01:41 PM

I've looked through your lists and I don't see anything about giving money out to welfare families. They have my vote.

**KelJu** · 10-17-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I've looked through your lists and I don't see anything about giving money out to welfare families. They have my vote.

lawl!

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I've looked through your lists and I don't see anything about giving money out to welfare families. They have my vote.

I'd rather see a handout from the Dems to help someone down on their luck than a long list of dead and disabled american soldiers courtesy of Bush's illegal invasion. Like I said, benign incompetence v. malignant corruption.

But I get your joke.

**KelJu** · 10-17-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

I'd rather see a handout from the Dems to help someone down on their luck than a long list of dead and disabled american soldiers courtesy of Bush's illegal invasion. Like I said, benign incompetence v. malignant corruption.

But I get your joke.

Down on their luck?

You mean lazy, uneducated, worthless pieces of shit don't you?

**Witmaster** · 10-17-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Down on their luck?

You mean lazy, uneducated, worthless pieces of shit don't you?

if that's your definition of "unlucky" then, sure

**DOMS** · 10-17-2006, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Down on their luck?

You mean lazy, uneducated, worthless pieces of shit don't you?

Some people truly are down on their luck, but most of them are simply lazy and worthless. I've been there, I've seen it. Most of the poor people (at least in LA) are non-achievers and will only abuse the system.

**DOMS** · 10-17-2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

I'd rather see a handout from the Dems to help someone down on their luck than a long list of dead and disabled american soldiers courtesy of Bush's illegal invasion. Like I said, benign incompetence v. malignant corruption.

But I get your joke.

Even with all the shit that the Republicans have done, I still trust the Dems even less. They only reaons that they haven't done a larger whirlwind of shit is that they're not in power right now.

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Some people truly are down on their luck, but most of them are simply lazy and worthless. I've been there, I've seen it. Most of the poor people (at least in LA) are non-achievers and will only abuse the system.

And 99% of conservatives are delusional people thinking they are conservative when in fact they've been duped by elitest rightwing radicals.

Do you see why that's ineffective?

I don't ask for a dissertation but I can provide you with many studies and stats that summarily show that about only 10% of those on the dole remain there for a period of longer than 2 years before permanent employment is found.

Does that sound worthless to you?

The vast majority of people on welfare are single, white mothers. Care to turn them out into the streets to make a living?

You can live with your philosophic distaste for welfare but I'm not sure they can.

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Down on their luck?

You mean lazy, uneducated, worthless pieces of shit don't you?

No that's not what I mean.

You better cover up KelJu...your sadistic side is peeking through.

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Even with all the shit that the Republicans have done, I still trust the Dems even less. They only reaons that they haven't done a larger whirlwind of shit is that they're not in power right now.

I will gladly compare the improprieties of the last democratic administration with the current republican one. Especially in terms of fiscal conservatism and constitutional fidelity.

**DOMS** · 10-17-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

And 99% of conservatives are delusional people thinking they are conservative when in fact they've been duped by elitest rightwing radicals.

Well, it's good to be kin the one percent. The Dems have worked hard at making themselves looks like idiots and useless. How in the world could I vote for one of them?

As for the stats about welfare, I'd like to see them. I'd also like to see them broken down my race and location (city & rural). I grew up homeless in LA, and I can tell you that many of the poor there are abusing the system and are minorities.

**DOMS** · 10-17-2006, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

I will gladly compare the improprieties of the last democratic administration with the current republican one. Especially in terms of fiscal conservatism and constitutional fidelity.

We've been there, we've done that. Both side sucks, but there's no way in hell I'm going with the Dems who have a history of putting the interests of other nations before our own. How about Clinton and China? What a load of shit.

**TJ Cline** · 10-17-2006, 02:27 PM

Voting solves nothing at all, wish it was real like Santa and God but it's just another BS distraction in life.

**maniclion** · 10-17-2006, 02:27 PM

"Thats why I try to behave myself this is after all a very aggressively calvinist period, let me offer my condolences to all of you in this generation who have to grow up..." HST

"Bush is right this is a kinder, gentler nation...nation of sheep it's all been said before..." HST

"We're reaching the end of that period, our grandfathers, fathers... maybe great-grandfathers for you youngsters, have shielded us long enough from the harsh realities of the world, the ones they witnessed in the Great World War Sequel. The last of the sheep are being herded by the dogs of war straight into the mouths of wolves..." ManicLion

**KelJu** · 10-17-2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

No that's not what I mean.

You better cover up KelJu...your sadistic side is peeking through.

Cover up...lawl!

Everybody on this site knows I am a raging lunatic.

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

We've been there, we've done that. Both side sucks, but there's no way in hell I'm going with the Dems who have a history of putting the interests of other nations before our own. How about Clinton and China? What a load of shit.

If you're referring to the exchange of missile technology, that policy was merely continued from Bush 1. See, George Bush started that. Clinton continued it.

**DOMS** · 10-17-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

If you're referring to the exchange of missile technology, that policy was merely continued from Bush 1. See, George Bush started that. Clinton continued it.

It's way more than that. China hates the US. They only tolerate us because we buy so much of their shit. Their top leaders have openly talked about wanting to see us dead. Before Clinton, China was seen (properly) as a non-friendly nation. Then Clinton comes along, get financial backing for his campaign from China (which is illegal). Then, what do you know?, China gets "most favorable" trading status and numerous other concessions. Clinton bent over and took it in the ass during his entire term.

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Well, it's good to be kin the one percent. The Dems have worked hard at making themselves looks like idiots and useless. How in the world could I vote for one of them?

Because in retrospect, re Iraq and the economy, both Al Gore and John Kerry were right and GW Bush was wrong. That's why. Especially Iraq. Bush et al. have been flat out wrong about every major point in the war. So you value poor judgment and party allegiance instead of admitting the Dems were right?

Originally Posted by DOMS

As for the stats about welfare, I'd like to see them. I'd also like to see them broken down my race and location (city & rural). I grew up homeless in LA, and I can tell you that many of the poor there are abusing the system and are minorities.

"A family is dependent on welfare if more than 50 percent of its total income in a one-year period comes from AFDC, food stamps and/or SSI, and this welfare income is not associated with work activities. Welfare dependence is the proportion of all families who are dependent on welfare." http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/indicators05/ch1.htm#Measuring

Figure SUM 1.

Recipiency and Dependency Rates: 1996-2002

"....between 1995 and 2002, dependency declined from 3.6 percent to 1.5 percent under the alternative definition.

....shows that among individuals receiving AFDC/TANF at some point over a ten-year period ending in 2000, 18 percent received some welfare during six or more years. Another 31 percent were recipients in three to five years, and more than half (51 percent) received welfare in only one or two years."

Granted my recall was conservative, but I'm pretty damn close: 51%majority 2 years of less, 82% majority 1-5 years, onyl 18% 6+

**Decker** · 10-17-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

It's way more than that. China hates the US. They only tolerate us because we buy so much of their shit. Their top leaders have openly talked about wanting to see us dead. Before Clinton, China was seen (properly) as a non-friendly nation. Then Clinton comes along, get financial backing for his campaign from China (which is illegal). Then, what do you know?, China gets "most favorable" trading status and numerous other concessions. Clinton bent over and took it in the ass during his entire term.

Here we go again with "hate!" Everybody has this presumably irrational hatred of the US. Why we're just trying to be a good country and we're surrounded by lunatic haters. Please.

"One simple basis for that Bush boom is that China is recycling its US$100 billion-plus trade surplus with the US back into dollars, and especially into US Treasury bonds. Almost half of the US Treasury bonds are now owned in Asia. So China is financing Bush's bold economic experiment: running two or more wars simultaneously with a huge budget and trade deficit, and equally huge tax handouts for the richest Americans." http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_.../FA23Dj01.html

China doesn't hate us. China owns our asses at the moment.

And as for Clinton's 'crimes' of seeking and getting campaign financing from China......one moment please....hahahahahaha.

You gotta be kidding me? You are aren't you? Let's see, a republican congress trumps up charges for impeachment about Bill's lying about a blowjob but completely ignores his transactions with red china. Well, I am at a loss.

**DOMS** · 10-17-2006, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Decker

Because in retrospect, re Iraq and the economy, both Al Gore and John Kerry were right and GW Bush was wrong. That's why. Especially Iraq. Bush et al. have been flat out wrong about every major point in the war. So you value poor judgment and party allegiance instead of admitting the Dems were right?
"A family is dependent on welfare if more than 50 percent of its total income in a one-year period comes from AFDC, food stamps and/or SSI, and this welfare income is not associated with work activities. Welfare dependence is the proportion of all families who are dependent on welfare." http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/indicators05/ch1.htm#Measuring

Figure SUM 1.

Recipiency and Dependency Rates: 1996-2002

"....between 1995 and 2002, dependency declined from 3.6 percent to 1.5 percent under the alternative definition.

....shows that among individuals receiving AFDC/TANF at some point over a ten-year period ending in 2000, 18 percent received some welfare during six or more years. Another 31 percent were recipients in three to five years, and more than half (51 percent) received welfare in only one or two years."

Granted my recall was conservative, but I'm pretty damn close: 51%majority 2 years of less, 82% majority 1-5 years, onyl 18% 6+

One has to wonder if it turns out that walfare recipient simply do a series of short stints on walfare instead of one long one. Which would fit into your data.

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