Arizona ranked dumbest in U.S.

**min0 lee** · 10-18-2006, 09:45 PM

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John Faherty
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 18, 2006 12:00 AM

Arizona has the dubious distinction of being the dumbest state in the Union, according to an independent research and publishing company in Kansas.

The finding quickly made the rounds of morning talk shows and Internet postings, but a closer look at the methodology used for the survey suggests the rankings deserve more serious scrutiny.

Morgan Quitno Press, which compiles state- and city-ranking publications, used a variety of measurements to create their list, including money spent on students, standardized test scores, graduation rates, teacher salaries and teacher/student ratios. advertisement

It is, in short, a comparison of the education systems in the 50 states and not a measure of a state's intelligence.

Having a bad reputation for schools and intelligence can harm a state's efforts to attract good companies and high-paying jobs.

Tom Horne, the state's superintendent of public instruction, strongly disagrees with the findings and said the only rankings that matter are how Arizona students perform on standardized tests.

"Morgan Quitno is the stupidest company in the nation," Horne said Tuesday. "The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We look at test scores."

Horne pointed to the fact that Arizona students outperformed the national average on SAT scores as well as the standardized TerraNova tests.

TerraNova is a national test that compares Arizona students with their peers in reading and math.

"Arizona students perform above the national average on TerraNova, which is the principal measure by which we compare ourselves to other states," Horne said.

Arizona test scores are generally about average, but the state historically ranks at the bottom in terms of money spent per student.

Education Week's Quality Counts 2005 ranked Arizona 50th in per-pupil spending at $6,010 per student, well below the national average of $7,734.

Scott Morgan, founder of Morgan Quitno, said the amount of money spent per student is a legitimate way to measure schools, if for no other reason than it indicates a state's commitment to education.

"The money you spend does matter. But you also need to look at what you are doing with the money," Morgan said.

Although the merits of the survey are open for debate, there is no question that a poor education system, or even the reputation for having a poor education system, could be damaging for Arizona.

Barry Broome is president and chief executive officer of the Greater Phoenix Economic Council. It is his experience that a reputation for marginal schools does not hurt in the recruiting of businesses to set up shop in Arizona.

"Companies look at the cost of doing business first," Broome said. "That's what they want to know."

But the education system can become an issue when it comes time to get people to work at those companies.

"It affects recruiting people very much," Broome said. "Our schools do not have good performance metrics."

In Broome's experience, however, Arizona's reputation for having a wide array of school choices, public and private and charter, makes up for a shaky education reputation. That reputation will make people coming to Arizona more selective about where they move their family within the region.

Salt River Project has 4,300 employees, some of whom have been recruited by Meg Staggs, head of staffing for the utility company. Staggs, an Arizona native, said that how "smart" the state is has never come up in her negotiations with potential employees and that the only time SRP loses a recruit is because of money or the family chooses not to move.

A recruit with children will ask Staggs where the good schools are, but she said real estate agents are better equipped to answer that question.

The issue of schools always comes up for realty agents, especially those who work frequently with people moving from out of state.

"I have been working in relocation for eight years, and it does come up," Jenny Khan, relocation director for Realty Executives in Phoenix. "People will ask where the good schools are. If they have a family, it's the first thing they ask."

It must be all those muscle heads that live there.

**lnvanry** · 10-18-2006, 09:47 PM

I'm guessing its all ESL people there

**Dale Mabry** · 10-18-2006, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

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It must be all those muscle heads that live there.

If Foreman left they would move up to 12th.

**DOMS** · 10-18-2006, 09:48 PM

Things that make you go "hmmmmmm."

**min0 lee** · 10-18-2006, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by lnvanry

I'm guessing its all ESL people there

No! It's all the IM people there, I think there's about 9 who live there not including Governor Foreman.

**TJ Cline** · 10-18-2006, 09:50 PM

If you got rid of all the Mexicans we would be in the top 10. The good news is that Dale might move here and that will jump us up to #1.

**DOMS** · 10-18-2006, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

If you got rid of all the Mexicans we would be in the top 10.

Very true. I lived there for three years and can attest to this.

Just look at the literacy rate and level of education of the people in Mexico. I'm surprised that they haven't collectively swallowed their tongues.

**Dale Mabry** · 10-18-2006, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

...The good news is that Dale might move here and that will jump us up to #1.

Very true...

The man knows what he's talking about.

**The Monkey Man** · 10-19-2006, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

If you got rid of all the ILLEGAL Mexicans we would be in the top 10

I don't think the Navajo Nation is helping those numbers either -

**The Monkey Man** · 10-19-2006, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by min0 lee

It must be all those muscle heads that live there.

That must mean me! -

(Along with all the Aerospace, Medical, and Computer engineers I work with here)

**min0 lee** · 10-19-2006, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

That must mean me! -

(Along with all the Aerospace, Medical, and Computer engineers I work with here)

Quick!! Send all of them to Canada or Mexico before we really sink!@

**min0 lee** · 10-19-2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

The man knows what he's talking about.

He also forgot to note the gay population will increase by 1% with your arrival.

**aceshigh** · 10-19-2006, 10:14 AM

are they the fattest too,,,,my theory is , the dumber the people the fatter they are , thats why doublebase is so fat

**bio-chem** · 10-19-2006, 10:39 AM

how in the hell did arizona loose to louisiana or arkasas? i thought those 2 states just traded years with that distinction? now completly out of left field arizona snakes in and takes it.

**NeilPearson** · 10-19-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

If you got rid of all the Mexicans we would be in the top 10. The good news is that Dale might move here and that will jump us up to #1.

racist!

**BigDyl** · 10-19-2006, 11:04 AM

Doesn't P-skunk live in AZ?

**min0 lee** · 10-19-2006, 11:18 AM

I think I finally found where Springfield is located.

**viet_jon** · 10-19-2006, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Doesn't P-skunk live in AZ?

yes, he's a contributing factor.

**The Monkey Man** · 10-19-2006, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Doesn't P-skunk live in AZ?

No...

He doesn't live, he stews in his own hatred of humanity.

**P-funk** · 10-19-2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Monkey Man

No...

He doesn't live, he stews in his own hatred of humanity.

fuck you.

what do you even know about me?

**god hand** · 10-19-2006, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

fuck you.

what do you even know about me?

**BigDyl** · 10-19-2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

fuck you.

what do you even know about me?

**fufu** · 10-19-2006, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by P-funk

fuck you.

what do you even know about me?

**god hand** · 10-19-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by fufu

**DOMS** · 10-19-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

**fufu** · 10-19-2006, 01:38 PM

lawl

**god hand** · 10-19-2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

**DOMS** · 10-19-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by god hand

If you stare at me for more than 5 seconds, it's sexual harassment.

**viet_jon** · 10-19-2006, 02:25 PM

Lol.......!!!!!

**maniclion** · 10-19-2006, 03:44 PM

Didn't all of the IM mods move there all at once?????

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