Thread: Rumsfeld tells Iraq critics 'just back off'

The Iraq campaign has basically stalled out.

Nothing gained, nothing lost.

It's basically only a matter of time (a couple of years at most) before the realization that the Iraq invasion is a failure.

The Americans still significantly lack the troop strength.

But this is beyond the military aspect, and lies squarely witht the political.

The Nouri Al-Maliki and Sayyid Muqtada Al-Sadr government likely does NOT want to curb the sectarian cleansing and reduce the power of the Shiite militias.

The American goals are not being met, and they are simply treading water.

After the election I am going to make a prediction:

Rumsfeld will resign.

yeah!...

Lets hear him talk smack if he were a politician, and not an appointed official

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

The Iraq campaign has basically stalled out.

You're right. We need to resume bombing.

Originally Posted by Mr_Snafu

It's basically only a matter of time (a couple of years at most) before the realization that the Iraq invasion is a failure.

The Americans still significantly lack the troop strength.

Progress is still being made. Most people have no idea what goes on there. They never will. Only anti war activists see it as a failure. It can't be abandoned. It will upset the whole middle east and that will cause world unstability. Liberals just don't get it.
I will agree it would be easier with more troops though. But the liberals will never let that happen. They have to have something to complain about and something to base their upcoming elections on. They have nothing else.
I'm very thankful the republicans are in office. If the democrats had been in, there is no telling what the hell kind of shape we would be in. I guarentee the stock market would have never recovered from 911 and we would be in a deep depression and the world would be in turmoil from rampant terroists attacks that would go on without any consequences.

Originally Posted by dg806

Progress is still being made. Most people have no idea what goes on there. They never will. Only anti war activists see it as a failure. It can't be abandoned. It will upset the whole middle east and that will cause world unstability. Liberals just don't get it.
I will agree it would be easier with more troops though. But the liberals will never let that happen. They have to have something to complain about and something to base their upcoming elections on. They have nothing else.
I'm very thankful the republicans are in office. If the democrats had been in, there is no telling what the hell kind of shape we would be in. I guarentee the stock market would have never recovered from 911 and we would be in a deep depression and the world would be in turmoil from rampant terroists attacks that would go on without any consequences.

The Iraq war is a 100% success, all you haters probably think the Viet nam war was a loss also.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Amazing isnt it.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The Iraq war is a 100% success, all you haters probably think the Viet nam war was a loss also.

True Story x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000r90238940 49084049812

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The Iraq war is a 100% success, all you haters probably think the Viet nam war was a loss also.

couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by dg806

Progress is still being made. Most people have no idea what goes on there. They never will. Only anti war activists see it as a failure. It can't be abandoned. It will upset the whole middle east and that will cause world unstability. Liberals just don't get it.
I will agree it would be easier with more troops though. But the liberals will never let that happen. They have to have something to complain about and something to base their upcoming elections on. They have nothing else.
I'm very thankful the republicans are in office. If the democrats had been in, there is no telling what the hell kind of shape we would be in. I guarentee the stock market would have never recovered from 911 and we would be in a deep depression and the world would be in turmoil from rampant terroists attacks that would go on without any consequences.

That’s an interesting take. What sort of progress is being made in Iraq that I’m missing?

There are plenty of conservatives that see the Iraq invasion as an unmitigated failure—just look to the father of modern conservatism: William F. Buckley, “Our mission has failed because Iraqi animosities have proved uncontainable by an invading army of 130,000 Americans.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-2_25_06_WB.html

The middle east is already in turmoil b/c of Bush’s illegal invasion of Iraq. And terrorism is up 400% worldwide. A Johns Hopkins study shows that, but for Bush’s illegal invasion, it is likely that 100,000 Iraqis would still be alive. Not dead. No one’s come close to refuting the study’s findings.
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html


Where is the bright spot there? What am I missing? Whether the US stays or goes is now immaterial to the chaotic inertia sweeping through Iraq. Why leave our soldiers there for target practice?

Here’s a partial list of things Liberals have to complain about other than the Iraq fiasco: protecting social security, reforming the Medicare scam Bush weaseled through Congress, restoring accountability and honor to the federal government, implementing a full accounting of the mismanagement of spending re Katrina/Iraq, stop the Bush trend of selling our country’s debt to East Asia, repeal irresponsible tax cuts bankrupting the future generations (tax cuts have NEVER paid for themselves), Stopping the ruinous borrowing engaged in by Bush and the Repubs, repeal the anti-environment “Clear Skies Inititive…and on and on.

DG, the reason you think the democrats are bereft of any ideas is because you simply haven’t looked.

Oh yes, the stock market does just fine when there’s plenty ‘o war time governmental spending going on. Just as occurred w/ Iraq invasion no. 1, w/ no. 2 the economy takes off. Quite a price to pay for ‘sound fiscal management.’

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The Iraq war is a 100% success, all you haters probably think the Viet nam war was a loss also.

Pfft.

USA - 1
Vietnam - 0

We won hands down.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Pfft.

USA - 1
Vietnam - 0

We won hands down.

The Americans ran like cowards.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The Americans ran like cowards.

The Military Industrial Complex made enough money.

Originally Posted by dg806

I'm very thankful the republicans are in office. If the democrats had been in, there is no telling what the hell kind of shape we would be in. I guarentee the stock market would have never recovered from 911 and we would be in a deep depression and the world would be in turmoil from rampant terroists attacks that would go on without any consequences.

You can guarantee that eh? That's a pretty cool trick.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

Pfft.

USA - 1
Vietnam - 0

We won hands down.

No the US did not win. But that's beyond the point.

Millions of people died, and it accomplished nothing.

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

The Americans ran like cowards.

Oh, thanks for the update, I'll jot that down.

The Americans ran like cowards.

Sweet, got it. Thanks Foreman.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

No the US did not win. But that's beyond the point.

Millions of people died, and it accomplished nothing.

I think it's been said, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

Originally Posted by FatCatMC

I think it's been said, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

It doesn't I figured it out.

Oh yeah this is viet jon the next Kenwood

it's not the words, it's the arrangement of words.

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

It doesn't I figured it out.

Oh yeah this is viet jon the next Kenwood

the almighty mod. Words of wisdom.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

the almighty mod. Words of wisdom.

Damn straight and don't you forget it

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

It doesn't I figured it out.

Oh yeah this is viet jon the next Kenwood

Ah, now that makes sense.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

the almighty mod. Words of wisdom.

I think that is kenwood

Originally Posted by BigDyl

I think that is kenwood

equating me with kenwood. I'm insulted.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

equating me with kenwood. I'm insulted.

Yeah you're right, you should be insulted. Kenwood was a much better Troll then you are attempting to be

you guys are right, it does not translate well.


this is a good discussion. Let's not let another one done the crapper.

Originally Posted by dg806

Progress is still being made. Most people have no idea what goes on there. They never will. Only anti war activists see it as a failure. It can't be abandoned. It will upset the whole middle east and that will cause world unstability. Liberals just don't get it.
I will agree it would be easier with more troops though. But the liberals will never let that happen. They have to have something to complain about and something to base their upcoming elections on. They have nothing else.
I'm very thankful the republicans are in office. If the democrats had been in, there is no telling what the hell kind of shape we would be in. I guarentee the stock market would have never recovered from 911 and we would be in a deep depression and the world would be in turmoil from rampant terroists attacks that would go on without any consequences.

I completely agree. One of the things I can't stand is when people assume they know what is going on in the world. The public knows maybe 10% of the information... yet they talk like they know how to run a country. They bitch and moan, but they don't suggest solutions. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you can't consider them seriously. They are uneducated - out of the loop.

Originally Posted by viet_jon

No the US did not win. But that's beyond the point.

Millions of people died, and it accomplished nothing.