the mighty firefox has fallen ??????

**Richie1888** · 10-31-2006, 03:09 AM

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/index.php?p=129

anyone tried 2.0 yet or are we all IE die hards

**Richie1888** · 10-31-2006, 05:07 AM

post something new

**Richie1888** · 10-31-2006, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by grooldude48

Your mon just gave me a rim job and I loved it

my mums dead mate

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 06:03 AM

I'm using FireFox 2 now (at home) and also use it at the office.

It still doesn't have IE's best feature yet, but I'm okay with that. What's IE's best feature? When it gets owned, your whole OS gets owned.

**Richie1888** · 10-31-2006, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm using FireFox 2 now (at home) and also use it at the office.

It still doesn't have IE's best feature yet, but I'm okay with that. What's IE's best feature? When it gets owned, your whole OS gets owned.

true true

IE 7 seven is meant to be a pretty good attempt and the article talked of issues when used with vista. but lets face it the way thats going no one is going to use it anyway

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by Richie1888

true true

IE 7 seven is meant to be a pretty good attempt and the article talked of issues when used with vista. but lets face it the way thats going no one is going to use it anyway

There's also no way in hell its going to support ad blocking like FF does.

Or how about extensions in general? Hell no. Or how about just themes? Nope.

**Richie1888** · 10-31-2006, 06:24 AM

it probably dont thats what they tried to do with xp2 and we all know how that wound up.

at the end of the day i find myself been drawn more and more to opera.

**KelJu** · 10-31-2006, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

There's also no way in hell its going to support ad blocking like FF does.

Or how about extensions in general? Hell no. Or how about just themes? Nope.

Am I the only person who likes IE just fine?

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Am I the only person who likes IE just fine?

If you think so, it's only because you don't understand the alternatives.

**Richie1888** · 10-31-2006, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Am I the only person who likes IE just fine?

i understand the whole thing and i still use IE. i just wont send anything like cc details through it. the differnece is i monitor who is pinging me so i have a fair idea if theres anything dodgy before it happens

**BoneCrusher** · 10-31-2006, 07:09 AM

FireFox has led the way in making browsers more useful and secure. Without the compitition IE would still be the same old basic browser. SO now they are off to a tough start with their next iteration ... it'll get fixed. I use 1.5.0.7 without problems. The hot-key nav's rock as does the tabed browsing, the higher security, and the fact that it's open sourceed. I love that this browser is the result of thousands of people kicking in just to make it better. I'm surprised that Bill hasn't figured a way to make that illegal.

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

FireFox has led the way in making browsers more useful and secure. Without the compitition IE would still be the same old basic browser. SO now they are off to a tough start with their next iteration ... it'll get fixed. I use 1.5.0.7 without problems. The hot-key nav's rock as does the tabed browsing, the higher security, and the fact that it's open sourceed. I love that this browser is the result of thousands of people kicking in just to make it better. I'm surprised that Bill hasn't figured a way to make that illegal.

He may not have tried to make it illegal, but he's certainly vilified open source. Plus, he's feeding money to the SCO group so that they can create FUD.

**Richie1888** · 10-31-2006, 07:50 AM

crusher makes a fair point

do u think if there was as good a os as fire fox is a browser anyone would use xp?? maybe some owuld be alot of more educated users and businesses wouldnt

**BoneCrusher** · 10-31-2006, 08:03 AM

Ya got me on that one DOMS ... FUD?

**tucker01** · 10-31-2006, 08:07 AM

A mexican manufacturer of hotdogs ?

**Gordo** · 10-31-2006, 08:52 AM

I've been using 2.0 since it's release. Other than 2 extensions not being compatible.....it's performed just fine under XP sp2.

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Ya got me on that one DOMS ... FUD?

Fear, uncertaintity, and doubt. It's along the lines of misinformation.

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Gordo

I've been using 2.0 since it's release. Other than 2 extensions not being compatible.....it's performed just fine under XP sp2.

Have you installed the Nightly Tester Tools extension? It'll let you use your old extensions.

**KelJu** · 10-31-2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by DOMS

If you think so, it's only because you don't understand the alternatives.

I didn't say it was the best. I said I thought it was just fine.
My reasoning is this:

I try to stick with standard layouts and configurations, so that I will be good at trouble shooting the most common problems with the most commonly used software. IE has the market 93% of the market in June.
As someone who has used IE since I was 14, and have battled the constant problems and bugs, I have learned how to troubleshoot almost any common problem. It helps me when I have to fix someone's computer, and 95% of the time the problem the person is having is with IE or related to it.
I am a nazi when it comes to what I install on my machines. I have never had IE crash, or gotten a virus. I have firewalls for port protection, and I ahve a custom DD-WRT firmware OS on my router that helps me monitor all IP traffic.
I have third party lite-weight programs to protect me against attacks from the Internet.

I have used FF, and I liked it. The problem is firefox won't do everything that IE will, and people end up having to fix IE which they have neglicted and didn't take the time to learn how to use properly.

**maniclion** · 10-31-2006, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by KelJu

I didn't say it was the best. I said I thought it was just fine.
My reasoning is this:

I try to stick with standard layouts and configurations, so that I will be good at trouble shooting the most common problems with the most commonly used software. IE has the market 93% of the market in June.
As someone who has used IE since I was 14, and have battled the constant problems and bugs, I have learned how to troubleshoot almost any common problem. It helps me when I have to fix someone's computer, and 95% of the time the problem the person is having is with IE or related to it.
I am a nazi when it comes to what I install on my machines. I have never had IE crash, or gotten a virus. I have firewalls for port protection, and I ahve a custom DD-WRT firmware OS on my router that helps me monitor all IP traffic.
I have third party lite-weight programs to protect me against attacks from the Internet.

I have used FF, and I liked it. The problem is firefox won't do everything that IE will, and people end up having to fix IE which they have neglicted and didn't take the time to learn how to use properly.

By your logic why don't you drop your firewalls and all other protection and submit your email address to as many spammers as possible, that way you'll be in a constant state of real world situations just like all of the other average users out there????????

**Gordo** · 10-31-2006, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

Have you installed the Nightly Tester Tools extension? It'll let you use your old extensions.

Nope but I'm looking into now

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

The problem is firefox won't do everything that IE will

What? Such as what?!

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Gordo

Nope but I'm looking into now

After you install it, go to your extensions are right-click and select "Make Compatible"

Keep in mind that some extensions simply will not work with 2.0. Tab Mix Plus is one such extension.

**KelJu** · 10-31-2006, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by DOMS

What? Such as what?!

For instance, our SQl exercise system that we had to use for my database classes doesn;t work in firefox. Also, our campus MSDNA is where the computer science students get our software from, and you can't access the system properly unless you are using IE.

In my webpage class, we learned that there are certain things we do with CSS that won't work with firefox, or firefox renders the page improperly.

Thats just a few things I can name off of the top of my head.

**maniclion** · 10-31-2006, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

For instance, our SQl exercise system that we had to use for my database classes doesn;t work in firefox. Also, our campus MSDNA is where the computer science students get our software from, and you can't access the system properly unless you are using IE.

In my webpage class, we learned that there are certain things we do with CSS that won't work with firefox, or firefox renders the page improperly.

Thats just a few things I can name off of the top of my head.

So nothing Microsoft makes works with it's enemy Firefox who'da thunk it?

Yes a few things don't work well with firefix, thats what the little extensions called IE Tab and IE View are for if your page ain't working then use those and it will simple as that...

**BulkMeUp** · 10-31-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

CSS that won't work with firefox, or firefox renders the page improperly.

IMO, it's more like the other way around.

Though i havent worked on IE7 yet.

(for CSS 'develop in FF and fix in IE' as the saying goes)

**KelJu** · 10-31-2006, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by maniclion

So nothing Microsoft makes works with it's enemy Firefox who'da thunk it?

Ok, you have a point there, but some of the problems are related to macromedia, not Microsoft.

**Seanp156** · 10-31-2006, 02:52 PM

I've still been using Firefox version 1.5.0.7.

**maniclion** · 10-31-2006, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

Ok, you have a point there, but some of the problems are related to macromedia, not Microsoft.

I've had just as many problems with Macromedia in FF as I had in IE

**DOMS** · 10-31-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by KelJu

For instance, our SQl exercise system that we had to use for my database classes doesn;t work in firefox. Also, our campus MSDNA is where the computer science students get our software from, and you can't access the system properly unless you are using IE.

In my webpage class, we learned that there are certain things we do with CSS that won't work with firefox, or firefox renders the page improperly.

Thats just a few things I can name off of the top of my head.

If a page (that doesn't use ActiveX) displays correctly in IE but not FF, then you can chalk it up to crappy programming.

You can get to any site that specifically requires IE by installing the User Agent Switcher extension. Not only can you do that, but you can spoof the GoogleBot and get into some websites that require a login.

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