Thread: Preservation of Liberty

That took a lot of guts to say a thing like that in those days.

As a member of the United States House of Representatives in the 1830s, former President John Quincy Adams performed some of his noblest service to his country as a staunch and oftentimes courageous spokesman for the abolition of slavery. Yet he wisely knew and accepted the limitations placed upon him. In October 1837, he addressed his situation in his diary: I have gone as far upon this article, the abolition of slavery, as the public opinion of the free portion of the Union will bear, and so far that scarcely a slave-holding member of the House dares to vote with me upon any question.

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Originally Posted by bio-chem

"The preservation of Liberty depends upon the intelectual and moral character of the people. As long as knowlege and virtue are diffused generally among the body of a nation, it is impossible they should be enslaved........" John Adams


So I'm reading JOHN ADAMS by David McCullough and i saw this quote and I really liked it.

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i believe both of those are slowly dissappearing in our country. not to throw down blanket statements, but i feel like 95% of people in the world are stupid and morally void. although the latter issue could be argued as its a subjective thing altogether, i'm equating moral values with selflessness and wanting to better a people, a community/society w/e not just your own personal situation. when i meet someone who is atleast somewhat of an intellectual i tend to keep try and stay close to them as those are the people who are few and far in between.

I know nothing of preservation of liberty........


........but I damn well like taking liberties......


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The Founders of this country were wise beyond their years.

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Benjamin Franklin


Great Thread

Originally Posted by Witmaster

The Founders of this country were wise beyond their years.
Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy.
Benjamin Franklin


Great Thread

Try telling that to Sitting Bull, Red Cloud or Crazy Horse.........

Originally Posted by goob

Try telling that to Sitting Bull, Red Cloud or Crazy Horse.........

You have a knack for pissing on camp fires, don't you?

Originally Posted by goob

Try telling that to Sitting Bull, Red Cloud or Crazy Horse.........

They lost, we won.

Originally Posted by Witmaster

You have a knack for pissing on camp fires, don't you?

Everyone has a talent somewhere......I guess i just found mine..

Originally Posted by goob

Try telling that to Sitting Bull, Red Cloud or Crazy Horse.........

I recomend reading a book on this subject called " Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee", about the Native American stuggle in yonder days, its a heart breaking but very intresting read. History is one of my favourite subjects to read about.

Originally Posted by goob

Originally Posted by goob

Try telling that to Sitting Bull, Red Cloud or Crazy Horse.........

I recomend reading a book on this subject called " Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee", about the Native American stuggle in yonder days, its a heart breaking but very intresting read. History is one of my favourite subjects to read about.

Do you think he'll read it?

Originally Posted by DOMS

Do you think he'll read it?

I'm guessing probably not, but I thought I'd mention it as it is an excellent eye opening read.

Originally Posted by goob

I'm guessing probably not, but I thought I'd mention it as it is an excellent eye opening read.

Really? I thought better of goob...

Originally Posted by DOMS

Really? I thought better of goob...

You lost me???

Originally Posted by goob

You lost me???

It looked like you were recommending the book to yourself.

Originally Posted by DOMS

It looked like you were recommending the book to yourself.

Ah, the age old problem with having 'split personallity disorder'. Sometimes we take a lot of convincing.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

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Let's give Bio- Chem some love people.

thanks minO. i didnt know you cared What does everyone think? Is knowlege and virtue dieing in the US? if you look at past civilizations all fell because of the loss of knowlege, virtue, or both in the people. look at any of the south american civilizations, Rome, Greece, Ottoman, Persian, Egyptian, each one fell due to the loss of these. The Founding Fathers knew this when they set up our country.

Originally Posted by goob

You lost me???

Er... me too. Did i get a reading assignment?

Originally Posted by DOMS

It looked like you were recommending the book to yourself.

Ahhh gotcha.

I'm sure the left side of his brain will enjoy it as much as the right.

It's rare I see both in one person.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

thanks minO. i didnt know you cared What does everyone think? Is knowlege and virtue dieing in the US? if you look at past civilizations all fell because of the loss of knowlege, virtue, or both in the people. look at any of the south american civilizations, Rome, Greece, Ottoman, Persian, Egyptian, each one fell due to the loss of these. The Founding Fathers knew this when they set up our country.

I think most people are still good, overall. I'm sure with the advances in technology, people are more distanced from others than in the past. (the joke of texting your kids upstairs to tell them dinner is ready kind of thing)

I think its just that we hear more about the negative. 'evil' sells more than good stories.
But, then again...maybe I look at the world with 'rose colored glasses'.

so then knowlege and virtue are spread out and in high enough quantity throughout the US?

there's always hope...
there's no love on the highways...but, there may be elsewhere...

Originally Posted by bio-chem

so then knowledge and virtue are spread out and in high enough quantity throughout the US?

I don't think so, I come across some people who don't have pride, common nor respect for people around them.

I really do admire those who come out of bad neighborhoods and make something out of themselves regardless of how some people who think they are better put them down.

Originally Posted by min0 lee

I don't think so, I come across some people who don't have pride, common nor respect for people around them.

I really do admire those who come out of bad neighborhoods and make something out of themselves regardless of how some people who think they are better put them down.

so where is the break down occuring?

It can be the parents but I have also seen some parents seek help only to be lost in the system or told that nothing can be done.

There's also a lack of a real leader in this country, fuck that overseas crap, we should concentrate on our own country.

I live in the city so my opinions may vary from someone in the suburbs or elsewhere.

I'm bad at this.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

so where is the break down occuring?

The breakdown is in the homes. Parents are failing their children. Government is failing their citizens. It is a cultural shift. It happens to almost every culture. Greed is the only thing keeping the country going at this point. The breakdown will be when our laziness out weighs our greed and we sell our liberties back to the government in exchange for free handouts and an illusion of safety.