Reply With QuoteWe are all makhluk … creation of Allah … with mankind as the head makhluk with complete freedom to use the rest of the makhluk as we see fit is a Muslim belief. Allah created everything that exists for the sole use and consumption of humans ... the universe in all its vast infinite majesty is ours to use or destroy as we see fit with no worries about pissing off Allah, sort of. Look at it this way. The dog is yours to kick, but not to eat. Kick the dog and Allah will not call the dog up on the Day of Judgment, but EAT the dog and the dog will be called to witness against you. There is free use of makhluk within the rules of Islam.
Now God ... He on the other hand didn't give man as much latitude. See you have a soul, but the dog you kicked doesn't. The dog is not here just for you to use as you see fit. You can neither eat nor kick the dog. God gave us the chicken and the ass ... the meal and the beast of burden along with the dog. We are given stewardship over the chicken the ass and the dog thus we are responsible not to waste or uselessly destroy these parts of God's creation. Use these gifts wisely as part of our stewardship, then pass them on. The dog is part of God's plan and if you fuck that up you will be held accountable.
Genesis is under examined by those who disagree ...
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I think this is true but, is it a Christian belief that nature is for them. Created by God for humanity or humans.
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Ok, so in Christianity nature is there for humans... regardless of eating, kicking, using, not using dogs that is not so important for my reasoning.
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Not trying to mock you.
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No not just for what ever ... thus the dog analogy. Use nature as you need with care not with reckless abandon, then pass it on to the next generation.
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Thats not christianity, thats American Indian philosophy look forth 15 generations when making your decisions for tomorrow... Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Coarse edged youth, the irish pendants string from their smiles
not yet plucked as to slacken the seams
and drag down the features of age,
no folds or creases from unkempt wear
eyes of tranquilty, crystalline-beads
no sign of despair in their hair, nor their hearts
but oh they have yet to be experienced and that makes aging so very worth it...ML circa2012
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It's also christianity. Check out Genesis ... then start unwinding our christian responsibilities under stewardship. Originally Posted by maniclion
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Lets all have some more children in the name of God -
(I really want to reach that 25 billion in 2050 population goal)
Have Problems?... Chances are its due to overpopulation
Save The Oceans, Save the Planet, Save Your Family, Save Yourself!
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Originally Posted by The Monkey Man
Lets all have some more children in the name of God -
(I really want to reach that 25 billion in 2050 population goal)
If you're gonna do it do it in the name of Allah. As a muslim you get four wives ...
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
With respect, got it. But, they do believe it is there for them. I don't belive nature is here specifically for homo-sapiens.
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In the name of the Lord...we shall. It is our manifest destiny to overpopulate this here earth. Originally Posted by The Monkey Man
Lets all have some more children in the name of God -
(I really want to reach that 25 billion in 2050 population goal)
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12-02-2006, 07:31 PM #12Amor Fati
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yes Christian belief is that nature is made for us to be dominated by us. It says so in both versions of genesis. in the first it is stated explicitly something to the effect of, God created man and woman and gave them dominion over the earth. in the second it is implicit as man is created last but allowed to name them all (symbolically, naming something gives you power/control over it, ie a pet, offspring etc).
that is the big difference between the judeo-christian views of nature versus the animistic religions which came before them (as those of the hunter gatherers and such). animistic religions placed nature on the same level as man, and sometimes nature/animals were considered superior to man in certain aspects.
the judeo-christian belief system allowed us to move forward with technology and such, as we would not be cutting down forests to make buildings and raising cows just to be slaughtered for food if we were to think of nature as equal and/or superior to us."The greatest obstacle to knowledge is not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge." -Barry Marshall, Nobel Laureate
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