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    The Iraq Study Group Report

    I read The Iraq Study Group Report over lunch and here it is:
    http://www.usip.org/isg/iraq_study_group_report/report/1206/index.html

    Hi-lights
    • The US should appeal to Iraq’s neighbors including Iran and Syria to help out
      • Iran’s nuclear designs should be left to the UN to handle
    • The US should stabilize Israeli-Arab relations to help stabilize the Middle East
    • Possibly reduce troops in Iraq but still help militarily/financially
    • 3000 Iraqis die a month and violence is escalating
    • The violence is largely sectarian; Al Qaeda is responsible for only a small portion of the violence
    • Crime is rampant/uncontrollable
    • Secure zones are few—violence precedes and follows US military peacekeeping sweeps—no stability—the lack of security compromises and devastates all aspects of Iraqi reconstruction and governance
    • “Staying the course” is not an option
    • Increase in troops/redeployment may be necessary
    • The US will facilitate privatizing Iraq’s oil reserves
    My take: I agree with Russ Feingold’s initial criticism of the commission:

    FEINGOLD (12/6/06): "The fact is this [Baker-Hamilton] commission was composed apparently entirely of people who did not have the judgment to oppose this Iraq war in the first place, and did not have the judgment to realize it was not a wise move in the fight against terrorism. So that's who is doing this report."

    "Then I looked at the list of who testified before them. There is virtually no one who opposed the war in the first place. Virtually no one who has been really calling for a different strategy that goes for a global approach to the war on terrorism. So this is really a Washington inside job and it shows, not in the description of what's happened—that's fairly accurate—but it shows in the recommendations."

    The group’s recommendations are nothing short of “stay the course” plus diplomacy. That must irk those with the “with us or against us” mentality but diplomacy is always the best first option…unlike Bush’s use of war as first option in foreign relations.
    No definite date or numbers for troop withdrawals are listed.

    This Group is just a cover your ass measure. I could have done without it.

    I also think James Baker is a war profiteer and walking refuse—S&L Scandal etc. http://www.hereinreality.com/baker.html but he is practical and he is intelligent: "You talk to your enemies, not just your friends,'' Baker said.
    There's a lesson in that for GWB.

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    Old...and I already covered this.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Old...and I already covered this.
    But did you make a nice summary of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    But did you make a nice summary of it?
    Sure: Screw you.














    Pretty much is boils down to a bad worded poll.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    Sure: Screw you.














    Pretty much is boils down to a bad worded poll.
    If the poll had opposite results I feel like you'd be saying the poll was superbly worded and great.
    You guys are going to lose. You might as well just cheer for me, because Boston isn’t winning in Boston for the season opener. I’m sorry. " - Gilbert Arenas

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    Quote Originally Posted by goandykid View Post
    If the poll had opposite results I feel like you'd be saying the poll was superbly worded and great.
    Not true. I have no bias about being the Middle East. I just think the survey was poorly worded. I find statistics to be somewhat entertaining and dislike bad surveys (which the majority are).

    Personally, I want our troops to come home. If it means believing in a lie that masquerades as a survey, then so be it.

    The Middle East is a shit hole. They have a shitty culture that promotes violence. I say we leave and let them get back to killing each other.

    They're not going to change in my life time.


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    Correct me if I am wrong, I only saw about 20 minutes on this on TV, but didn't this study group recommend involving Iran militarily? If so, how could that possibly be a good idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decker View Post
    This Group is just a cover your ass measure. I could have done without it.
    I totally agree. Its just a defensive measure for ALL politicians to hide under when things get F***ed up....yes, things can still get worse, and I woudn't be suprised if they do.

    On a side note...its good to live in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemson357 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, I only saw about 20 minutes on this on TV, but didn't this study group recommend involving Iran militarily? If so, how could that possibly be a good idea?
    From a strategic point of view, it is better to engage your enemies on the diplomatic battlefield than on the military battlefield. Diplomacy opens avenues of agreement and alternatives to simple brute war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lnvanry View Post
    I totally agree. Its just a defensive measure for ALL politicians to hide under when things get F***ed up....yes, things can still get worse, and I woudn't be suprised if they do.

    On a side note...its good to live in the US.

    Merry Christmas
    I like your idea for a happy Christmas. If only the world could heed this lesson....a bit idealistic.

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