Thread: Barack Obama - Announcement

Republican or Democrat, you gotta like stuff like this.

that's pretty good. I thought he already announced he was going to run though?

I think he'd be a great president. He seems like such a family man, though, and he's already having a hard time keeping in touch with his wife and kids, I think being president would make it even harder for him

I like him alot actually. He seems to be the most honest person running.

Sean Hannity attempted to critize him, but could only make fun of his name and ears.


The problem is that he is black. Not that I care, but a large percentage of inbred americans care, and they also care if it was a female. This is why Republicans will practically fund Hillary Clinton and Obama's capaigns.

No, I don't like Hilary Clinton either. I think it is a conservative agenda to have her as the dems front runner since they know that she will never be elected, hence another republican president.

Yea I'm a big fan of Obama. He's not one of these rich thoroughbred politicians, he's honest and actually ballsy enough to stand up for what's right, not what the special interest groups or upper upper class want.

Having said that, I'm also a fan of Mccain, not exactly along the same lines there.

Obama does seem like he would be good, but another argument would be that he doesn't have enough experience to become a president. I can't stand Hiliary Clinton though, and if it were right now, I would like to see Rudy Giuliani get in.

Kennedy didn't have much experience either....

Clinton would be OK in my book, just to see Bill back in the White House with no real responsibility. (Bring on the interns!!!)

Guliani has some credibility, but is too conservative for my taste. McCain has shown himself willing to bend to party rhetoric rather than defend himself or his values. While I like him, I couldn't vote for him.

Face it. There probably is no right answer. Like Douglas Adams said, anyone who is cable of getting themselves elected president should probably be disqualified.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Yea I'm a big fan of Obama. He's not one of these rich thoroughbred politicians, he's honest and actually ballsy enough to stand up for what's right, not what the special interest groups or upper upper class want.

Having said that, I'm also a fan of Mccain, not exactly along the same lines there.

Wasn't it McCain who killed MMA for a while because some of his people were invested in boxing and the PPV's on MMA were cutting into their boxing revenues? He ran a big issue through the states athletic commissions about how inhumane and dangerous MMA was in the late ‘90s I thought?

I like Obamma. So I don't wanna see him in the White House. He'd get shot because of his skin color. Sucks, but a highly probable outcome.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Yea I'm a big fan of Obama. He's not one of these rich thoroughbred politicians, he's honest and actually ballsy enough to stand up for what's right, not what the special interest groups or upper upper class want.

Agree.

Having said that, I'm also a fan of McCain, not exactly along the same lines there.

Worth noting is that McCain is a closet PNAC symapathizer and NeoCon.



I like Barak Obama, but I am worried about his middle name and electability.

When it comes to some elections, We have gone way beyond where we were about race in America.

Unfortunately, I think some white Americans in certain tightly contested red-blue (purple) states may not be able to vote for a black man when it comes to punching to ticket.

But perhaps I am wrong. I hope so.


Our nation has changed in many ways, culturally.


Obama is a new guy. That's what's needed. He's not a part of "The Club."


It's been a long time since we've had someone who's not an established politician who's beholden to PACs, interest groups and other elititist interests.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

I like Obamma. So I don't wanna see him in the White House. He'd get shot because of his skin color. Sucks, but a highly probable outcome.

And if he made a bad choice it would be of his skin color also. It's like that all presidents and not just because of skin color.

It's a shame to see all the apprehension of voting for a black man, but at least we're realistic. He'll get my vote, black, white, or purple.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...ail/components

Article comparing and contrasting Clinton and Obama

Originally Posted by goandykid

It's a shame to see all the apprehension of voting for a black man, but at least we're realistic. He'll get my vote, black, white, or purple.

I wont vote for a non-Pale Male. Despite when many black (and Mexcian) people believe, white leaders don't get together to find ways to push a "white agenda" or oppress people (though they do the bidding of the corporations). But when a non-white person makes it into the White House, they will push all sorts of racial/gender agendas and I don't need that kind of shit.

Oh, you say they won't? Then you're either lying or ignorant. It happens all the way from local appointments to the Senate.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I wont vote for a non-Pale Male. Despite when many black (and Mexcian) people believe, white leaders don't get together to find ways to push a "white agenda" or oppress people (though they do the bidding of the corporations). But when a non-white person makes it into the White House, they will push all sorts of racial/gender agendas and I don't need that kind of shit.

Oh, you say they won't? Then you're either lying or ignorant. It happens all the way from local appointments to the Senate.

Originally Posted by fUnc17

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Originally Posted by Big Smoothy

Our nation has changed in many ways, culturally.

Don't know where you are from? The only places I see that is in the big cities where you couldn't pay me to be.
There are still places around here in NC where when it gets dark, a black man dares not go. They will hang him in the nearest tree. True story

Originally Posted by DOMS

I wont vote for a non-Pale Male. Despite when many black (and Mexcian) people believe, white leaders don't get together to find ways to push a "white agenda" or oppress people (though they do the bidding of the corporations). But when a non-white person makes it into the White House, they will push all sorts of racial/gender agendas and I don't need that kind of shit.

Oh, you say they won't? Then you're either lying or ignorant. It happens all the way from local appointments to the Senate.

You may call that being realistic, but I call that stereotyping and racism. I forgot that white politicians are perfect and that minorities only look out for minorities.

I guess I'm jsut a little surprised by your opinion on this, usually you take a drastic approach anyways, but this was a little over the top.

Originally Posted by goandykid

You may call that being realistic, but I call that stereotyping and racism. I forgot that white politicians are perfect and that minorities only look out for minorities.

I guess I'm jsut a little surprised by your opinion on this, usually you take a drastic approach anyways, but this was a little over the top.

Wrong.

Where did I say that white politicians were perfect? You won't find such a post because it doesn't exist.

My point is that woman and minorities of all levels of government give speeches and rallies about how they need to forward the interests of their group or race. You can see it at the city level (council leaders, mayors, etc.), you can see it at the state level (governors, etc.) and you can see it at the federal level (representatives, senators, etc.).

So, let me get this straight: They'll push their race/gender all the way to the House of Representatives and the Senate but will drop it when they reach the White House?

Yeah, right...

So even if someone is the most qualified and best for the job, you wouldnt vote for them b/c theyr not white? That's fucked up.


All presidents have an agenda. Atleast Obama's isnt dictated by the NRA and other special interest groups.

Originally Posted by goandykid

So even if someone is the most qualified and best for the job, you wouldnt vote for them b/c theyr not white? That's fucked up.

Such is the way that the world is.

Originally Posted by goandykid

All presidents have an agenda. Atleast Obama's isnt dictated by the NRA and other special interest groups.

Sure, all presidents have an agenda, when did I say otherwise? But a white president's agenda is more likely to be the interests of corporations or their own political group. A non-white, or female, president's agenda is likely to be the advancement of their group over that of any other group.

Just look at blacks. They always preach the title of "Equality", but when you get down the actual details, it usually works itself out to being superior in some way or even something as base as revenge.

And yes, I doubt that Obama's agenda isn't dictated by the NRA, but to say that he's not influenced by a special interest group is childishness that borders on blindness. You cannot play the political game at that level and not be beholden to someone else. That's the way that game is rigged.

I should note that I'm more likely to vote for a woman than am for a minority.

I understand your POV, let's run w/ it. If a black or mulatto or w/e person was elected president, could they not do a great job even if they did push for their version of equality?

Originally Posted by goandykid

I understand your POV, let's run w/ it. If a black or mulatto or w/e person was elected president, could they not do a great job even if they did push for their version of equality?

Not for my group.

Also, consider this: If a Mexican were elected president, how long do you think it would take him to throw the borders wide open? Considering the affect of the current resident Mexicans, how could that be a good thing?

That mexican would have been here legally and would be a 2nd generation American, so I dont think they would. Call me ignorant or naive, but somehow smart enough to be elected president should be respected beyond their skin color, assuming every mexican would throw the borders wide open is ridiculous.

Have some faith in the person, not their pigment.

Originally Posted by goandykid

That mexican would have been here legally and would be a 2nd generation American, so I dont think they would. Call me ignorant or naive, but somehow smart enough to be elected president should be respected beyond their skin color, assuming every mexican would throw the borders wide open is ridiculous.

This, of course, would explain why there is Mexican on nearly everything I purchase. Also, there are plenty of second generation Mexicans living in L.A. and they're no different from those that just arrived.

There are also plenty of second generation Mexicans living in L.A. that hold political appointments who advocate throwing the borders wide open. You'll find it a common theme among Mexican politicians.

This simply proves my point about minorites, politics, and agendas.

Originally Posted by goandykid

Have some faith in the person, not their pigment.

A person's pigment is often indication of their culture.

So do you believe that all mexicans want the borders tossed wide open?

I don't think you do, and I doubt a mexican-american educated enough to run for president would want them open either.

Originally Posted by DOMS

This, of course, would explain why there is Mexican on nearly everything I purchase. Also, there are plenty of second generation Mexicans living in L.A. and they're no different from those that just arrived.

There are also plenty of second generation Mexicans living in L.A. that hold political appointments who advocate throwing the borders wide open. You'll find it a common theme among Mexican politicians.

This simply proves my point about minorites, politics, and agendas.

Afraid I have to agree with DOMS here.
It's a grim sentiment, but that's just how it is.


However, would I vote for Obama? Yes. You never know until you've tried it.
Maybe he's exactly what we need. I wouldn't mind finding out.

For all it's worth, Barak isnt Mexican.