Thread: crap like this........

I can't stand that guy. I'm a Christian, I pray constantly throughout the day, and I live my life daily the way I believe God wants me to. But when I see guys like him on TV or hear them on the radio I can't blame people for not liking Christians. They really do make the rest of us look like crazy people. I don't think anyone would dislike Christians for believing in something they didn't believe in if there weren't guys like this making us look like self-rightious, arrogant, one sided, hypocritical, Ms. Cleo wannabees.

But I don't think of this guy as a Christian at all, I think of him as a political figure imposing his political beliefs disguised as God's word. It's true I don't listen to this guy for any extended amount of time, but from what I have heard from him he doesn't have very Christian beliefs.

As a side note, I love this quote from that article:
"In May, Robertson said God told him that storms and possibly a tsunami were to crash into America's coastline in 2006.

Even though the U.S. was not hit with a tsunami, Robertson on Tuesday cited last spring's heavy rains and flooding in New England as partly fulfilling the prediction."

He read an interview by Hamid Mir ... looks credible.

Mr. Mir interviewed Dawood (no specific date indicated) at the tomb of Sultan Mehmud Ghaznawi, on the outskirts of Kabul. Dawood and the al Qaeda leaders who accompanied him sported short beards and were dressed casually, for disguise. The al Qaeda commander had contacted Mir by cell-phone to arrange the meeting. The contents of the encounter are as follows:

Q: How did you have my local mobile number?


A: We watched you on Geo TV walking in the mountains near Kabul with British troops. You were embedded with our enemies. We were sure that you are staying in one of the few hotels or guest houses in Kabul. We were looking for you in Serena and Intercontinental hotels, but then some Taliban friends informed us that they had your phone number and you might visit them in Zabul [an Afghani province]. We got your number from Commander [Muhsen] Khayber. [Khayber was responsible for a homicide bombing in Casablanca that killed 32 people]. Don't worry about that. We will not make any harm to you. We just want to warn you that you better don't take any rides in the tanks and humvis of the Western Forces; they are not safe for any journalist in Afghanistan.


Q: Thanks for your concern; can I know your name?


A: Yes my name is Abu Dawood, if you remember, we have already met in Kunar two years ago, but at that time I had a long beard, now I have a small one. You were there in the mountains, close to Asadabad [a small village in the Kunar province of eastern Afghanistan] and you met some Al Qaeda fighters. I was among them.


Q: OK. I just want to say that I am a journalist, I have to speak to both sides of a conflict, for getting an objective view and that is why I was traveling with the British troops; now I am sitting with you and that is my real job. I have interviewed Osama bin Laden as well as Condoleezza Rice, General Pervez Musharraf and President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan. I hope you will appreciate my objective approach?


A: You have claimed to be objective, but you and your TV channel have always given much time to the propaganda of our enemies. Anyhow, it was our moral responsibility to warn you that you better try to avoid traveling with the British, American, Canadian, French, Spanish and Italian troops in Afghanistan, we will target all of them, we don't want that people like you suffer by our attacks, it is not good for you, and at least you should not be killed with the enemies of Islam. I am sure, brother Khayber have informed you that the Taliban will launch a big operation against the Crusader Forces, in the holy month of Ramadan; don't come to Afghanistan in Ramadan. You will see a lot of fadaee amalyat ["suicide bombings"] in the coming days, Kabul will become a graveyard of NATO and ISAF.


Q: Yes Khayber told me about the "Badar Operation" in Ramadan. I think you are an Afghani but you are not a Talib, are you a member of Al Qaeda?


A: You are right. But we are with the Taliban, just helping them, fighting under their command. Every Al Qaeda fighter can become a Talib, but every Talib cannot become Al Qaeda.


Q: So where is Sheikh Osama bin Laden?


A: I don't know exactly, but he is still in command of Al Qaeda, and he is in contact with his Mujaheddin all over the world.


Q: Why there was no new video statement from him, in last two years?


A: Because the CIA can feed his fresh picture to the computers fitted on their Predator planes, and these planes can get him, like Nek Muhammad or Akbar Bugti. But he has released many audio messages this year. Listen to him carefully. Don't underestimate his warnings. America is playing with the security of Muslims all over the world, now it is our turn again. Our brothers are ready to attack inside America. We will breach their security again. There is no timeframe for our attack inside America; we can do it any time.


Q: What do you mean by another attack in America?


A: Yes a bigger attack than September 11th 2001. Brother Adnan [el Shukrijumah] will lead that attack, Inshallah.


Q:Who is Adnan?


A: He is our old friend. The last time, I met him in early 2004, in Khost. He came to Khost from the North Waziristan. He met his leaders and friends in Khost. He is very well known in Al Qaeda. He is an American and a friend of Muhammad Atta, who led 9/11 attacks five years ago. We call him "Jaffer al Tayyar" ["Jafer the Pilot"]; he is very brave and intelligent. Bush is aware that brother Adnan has smuggled deadly materials inside America from the Mexican border. Bush is silent about him, because he doesn't want to panic his people. Sheikh Osama bin Laden has completed his cycle of warnings. You know, he is man of his words, he is not a politician; he always does what he says. If he said it many times that Americans will see new attacks, they will definitely see new attacks. He is a real Mujahid. Americans will not win this war, which they have started against Muslims. Americans are the biggest supporters of the biggest terrorist in the world, which is Israel. You have witnessed the brutality of the Israelis in the recent 34-day war against Lebanese civilians. 9/11 was a revenge of Palestinian children, killed by the US-made weapons, supplied to Israel. The next attack on America would be a revenge of Lebanese children killed by US-made cluster bombs. Bush and Blair are the Crusaders, and Muslim leaders, like Musharraf and [Afghani President Hamid] Karzai are their collaborators, we will teach a lesson to all of them. We are also not happy with some religious parties in Pakistan and Egypt, they got votes in the name of Mujaheddin, and then, they collaborated with Musharraf and [Egyptian President] Hosni Mubarak. Now look at all of them, Musharraf and Karzai don't trust each other, the CIA and ISI don't trust each other, all the hypocrites and enemies of Mujaheddin are suspecting each other; this help to us is coming from Heavens. Allah is with us.


Q: But if you attack inside America again, then Muslims living in America will face lot of problems, why would you like to create new problems for your brothers and sisters?


A: Muslims should leave America. We cannot stop our attack just because of the American Muslims; they must realize that American forces are killing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq; we have the right to respond back, in the same manner, in the enemy's homeland. The American Muslims are like a human shield for our enemy; they must leave New York and Washington.


Q: But your fighters are also using the American Muslims as their shield, if there are no Muslims in America, then there would be no Al Qaeda, may be the Americans would feel safer?


A: No, not at all. We have a different plan for the next attack. You will see. Americans will hardly find out any Muslim names, after the next attack. Most of our brothers are living in Western countries, with Jewish and Christian names, with passports of Western countries. This time, someone with the name of Muhammad Atta will not attack inside America, it would be some David, Richard or Peter.


Q: So you will not attack America, until Muslims are there?


A: I am not saying that, I am saying that Muslims must leave America, but we can attack America anytime. Our cycle of warnings has been completed, now we have fresh edicts from some prominent Muslim scholars to destroy our enemy, this is our defending of Jihad; the enemy has entered in our homes and we have the right to enter in their homes, they are killing us, we will kill them.



This is the same Pat Robertson that claimed God told him to raise $20,000,000 or he would get called up to Heaven. He missed the mark by more than half ... his supporters were not very supportive. I guess God forgave him for being short in accounts receivable.

O say ye Nostradumbass....

Hahaha, 'partly fulfilling'. If you make vague predictions, of course something can be put together to make it seem like an accurate one.

Has anyone heard about this movie?

Originally Posted by artek

Has anyone heard about this movie?

I pledge allegiance to the christian flag?

give me a fucking break. these people are just as bad as the people in the middle east. They are so radical in their beliefs and think that they are only right and if you don't believe in thier god then you are wrong and you are going to hell...blah blah.....

The leaders of that cult need to drink some of Jim's cool-aid and go take a dirt nap.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I pledge allegiance to the christian flag?

give me a fucking break. these people are just as bad as the people in the middle east. They are so radical in their beliefs and think that they are only right and if you don't believe in thier god then you are wrong and you are going to hell...blah blah.....

exactly. jack asses like this get air time, and the rest of us get grouped in with them. and then its easy for people to think, "well, if thats christianity then it must not be true" damnit id think that too, if i didnt already know better.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

exactly. jack asses like this get air time, and the rest of us get grouped in with them. and then its easy for people to think, "well, if thats christianity then it must not be true" damnit id think that too, if i didnt already know better.

teh radicals always ruin it for the others.

I train this one guy that is very Christian, and he goes around giving seminars are colleges and universities on Christianity and he writes books, etc..I once asked him what he though about other religions. He said that they are all wrong. I said why? He said, "because they don't believe in my god". I said "how do you know your god is the only god or the right god?". He said "Because it is. The bible said so.".....I didn't say, but I thought to myself "shit, you are a fucking moron."

I don't follow any religion. I went to a catholic high school and had that shit force fed to me. I have not gone to church (except for my cousins wedding. which isn't really church) since high school either (about 10 years now).

People get to extreme with their beliefs.

I train another guy who is from India. I think he has it right. He says "it doesn't matter what you believe. If you believe in god, if you believe in Muhammad, if you believe in no god at all. The only thing that matters if that you live a good life and you are good to people."

Originally Posted by P-funk

I train another guy who is from India. I think he has it right. He says "it doesn't matter what you believe. If you believe in god, if you believe in Muhammad, if you believe in no god at all. The only thing that matters if that you live a good life and you are good to people."

despite all that i know. its so hard for me to say anything against this. i know Christianity is true. i know its important to understand Christ in our lives, and yet with the way things are right now and the views about christianity its hard to say anything other than live a good life and be good to other people for fear of coming off like this guy robertson and totally srewing up any future impresions of Christianity

Originally Posted by P-funk

teh radicals always ruin it for the others.

I train this one guy that is very Christian, and he goes around giving seminars are colleges and universities on Christianity and he writes books, etc..I once asked him what he though about other religions. He said that they are all wrong. I said why? He said, "because they don't believe in my god". I said "how do you know your god is the only god or the right god?". He said "Because it is. The bible said so.".....I didn't say, but I thought to myself "shit, you are a fucking moron."

I don't follow any religion. I went to a catholic high school and had that shit force fed to me. I have not gone to church (except for my cousins wedding. which isn't really church) since high school either (about 10 years now).

People get to extreme with their beliefs.

I train another guy who is from India. I think he has it right. He says "it doesn't matter what you believe. If you believe in god, if you believe in Muhammad, if you believe in no god at all. The only thing that matters if that you live a good life and you are good to people."

That guy is gonna burn in hell by the rules of every major religion.

Originally Posted by bio-chem

despite all that i know. its so hard for me to say anything against this. i know Christianity is true. i know its important to understand Christ in our lives, and yet with the way things are right now and the views about christianity its hard to say anything other than live a good life and be good to other people for fear of coming off like this guy robertson and totally srewing up any future impresions of Christianity

No, you know christianity is right and true for YOU!!! You know it is important to have christ in life for YOURSELF.

That doesn't mean that it is right and good for me or anyone else. What I chose to believe in is my own belief and for you (not that you are doing it) to condem me or anyone else for what we believe is wrong. That creates the entire cycle which leads to religious war (which almost every single war has ever been fought over). That "mine is better than yours" bullshit is what creates tension. It would be a lot better if people said "this is what I believe. If you don't believe it, then that is cool."....I feel like most christians want everyone to believe in what they believe because they don't believe it fully themselves....they need to validate their beliefs by saying "what? you don't believe in this!??!? How can you not believe in this!!."

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

That guy is gonna burn in hell by the rules of every major religion.

he is buddhist.

Originally Posted by P-funk

No, you know christianity is right and true for YOU!!! You know it is important to have christ in life for YOURSELF.

That doesn't mean that it is right and good for me or anyone else. What I chose to believe in is my own belief and for you (not that you are doing it) to condem me or anyone else for what we believe is wrong. That creates the entire cycle which leads to religious war (which almost every single war has ever been fought over). That "mine is better than yours" bullshit is what creates tension. It would be a lot better if people said "this is what I believe. If you don't believe it, then that is cool."....I feel like most christians want everyone to believe in what they believe because they don't believe it fully themselves....they need to validate their beliefs by saying "what? you don't believe in this!??!? How can you not believe in this!!."

See that is the problem, almost every religion, believes that it is necessary to spread the word of there god.

I used to have a link to a religious timeline showing the emergence of all the major religions and where they each sprang up from. Anyone have something like it?

I dislike religious people telling me how to live me life just as much as I detest liberals trying to tel me how to live me life.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I dislike religious people telling me how to live me life just as much as I detest liberals trying to tel me how to live me life.

I don't think you should live your life anymore, you sound like the Lucky Charms dude.....they're always after me lucky charms...

I hate religion.

This may be a little off topic, but the next paragraphs are focusing on wars based on religion, which is a big part of the first sentence of this post.

Sad how people don't realize that no one's really wrong. People who believe in a god pray to it. So what if it's called something else by another religion? You're still doing the same thing. Get over it. Stop killing everyone. Grow up. Stop arguing over something that is not only impossible to prove, but most likely made up by the people who wrote the book your religion is based on because they were confused. I mean, Greek and Roman gods were invented to explain things the people couldn't explain themselves. What suggests that the major religions of today are any different? They're still based on books written a long, long time ago without any proof of anything. Just because something is written down doesn't make it true.

I'm sure someone will get pissed off about what I said, but I'm not trying to offend anyone. These are just my musings and are meant for discussion, not for starting a war. If you have something to say, I wouldn't post this unless I wanted to hear it. Just please try to be civil.

Originally Posted by maniclion

I don't think you should live your life anymore, you sound like the Lucky Charms dude.....they're always after me lucky charms...

Feel free to fuck off.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

I used to have a link to a religious timeline showing the emergence of all the major religions and where they each sprang up from. Anyone have something like it?

Like how Jews started a religion and then one of them decided he was the only son of God even though Adam must've been the son of God too and since we're all descended from him we are all God's children, yet he was the only one and some idiots started following him around...then some years later this dumb Arab ends up in Israel and picks up on some stories about this cool religion, but his recall is fucked up so when he gets back to his home land he starts to make shit up along with the bits and pieces he remembers and then decides to make himself someone special in the story and make Jesus, you know the only son of god cause none of us exist, equal again....but this guy lets the power go to his head and makes some very vicious rules to be followed by his followers.....and they're all the same religion just a little change here or there to make the next guy seem like a superstar....

Originally Posted by DOMS

Feel free to fuck off.

I have been all day....

DOMS you've been invited to kill yourself by Manic. I'm thinking youtube ... better stats. I guess the only question now is how? Bare in mind that any sport with the word "Diving" in it is exempt from your insurance so jumping from a plane or a submarine is out. You could just vote for Nader next time ... your brain would short curciut and you'd have an embolism ... very natural looking.

Originally Posted by P-funk

I train another guy who is from India. I think he has it right. He says "it doesn't matter what you believe. If you believe in god, if you believe in Muhammad, if you believe in no god at all. The only thing that matters if that you live a good life and you are good to people."

Originally Posted by maniclion

I have been all day....

Don't you get tired?

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

DOMS you've been invited to kill yourself by Manic. I'm thinking utube ... better stats. I guess the only question now is how? Bare in mind that any sport with the word "Diving" in it is exempt from your insurance so jumping from a plane or a submarine is out. You could just vote for Nader next time ... your brain would short curciut and you'd have an embolism ... very natural looking.

It's "YouTube", dumb fuck.

Originally Posted by DOMS

It's "YouTube", dumb fuck.

u nialing any1 on typos ... but it had to be me

Originally Posted by artek

Has anyone heard about this movie?

Originally Posted by P-funk

I pledge allegiance to the christian flag?

give me a fucking break. these people are just as bad as the people in the middle east. They are so radical in their beliefs and think that they are only right and if you don't believe in thier god then you are wrong and you are going to hell...blah blah.....

Oh dear... here I go......

I agree that there are few 'Christians' that live 'normal' lives without judgment. HOWEVER,

I was DEEP in that stuff all my life. I was so brainwashed.

You want to know how they thanked me... I was kicked out of the 'church' because I wanted a divorce. I had VALID reasons. I was honest. I went to counseling for years trying to save the marriage. All I said was I had a VERY unhealthy marriage and he wouldn't get help. I stood up against their belief...and I was OUTED.

I had peace though. My parents disowned me...said I was a follower of Satin and deceived by his light. I prayed at the time...day after day after day...I prayed in TEARS that if I was following Satin or decived..that my peace me taken away. You know what, there hasn't been ONE hour since I left that I didn't feel complete peace...and that God and I were COOL with each other.

I don't know what I believe anymore. I sure know what I DON'T believe.

OMG...the control. It's actually way worse than I'm writing. One member here said to me..."That's f*ckin Flowers In The Attic sh*t".

eradicate all religion = peace on earth





p.s. that is my opinion and I am entitled to it.