Thread: An Inconvenient Truth

Is there anything gained by believing that global warming is a fact and we must do something about it?

Is there anything lost by believing that global warming is a fact?

So, isn't it more believable that global warming is true and all of the "science" that contradicts it only exists because big businesses would be hurt badly by acknowledging and that global warming is happening?

Originally Posted by Prince

Is there anything gained by believing that global warming is a fact and we must do something about it?

Is there anything lost by believing that global warming is a fact?

So, isn't it more believable that global warming is true and all of the "science" that contradicts it only exists because big businesses would be hurt badly by acknowledging and that global warming is happening?

Go to the Heritage Foundation or any other 'think tank' that's funded by big business to learn how bullshit is packaged as credible academic findings. Here's the first page of articles of academic excellence from the HF re Global Warming:


1. No Evidence For Global Warming
Author: Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D. Date: 1998/01/22
No Evidence For Global Warming
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed012298b.cfm


2. Global Warming and Hot Air
Author: Angela Antonelli Date: 2000/12/04
Global Warming and Hot Air
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed120400.cfm


3. Administration Speaks with Forked Tongue on Global Warming
Author: Charli Coon Date: 2002/06/19
Administration Speaks with Forked Tongue on Global Warming
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed061902b.cfm


4. Kyoto Through the Back Door? A Debate on the Lieberman ...
Kyoto Through the Back Door?? A Debate on the Lieberman – McCain Climate Stewardship Act
www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev102703a.cfm


5. Kyoto Lite: A Potential Deal Breaker in the Senate Energy ...
Author: Ben Lieberman Date: 2005/06/20
Will the Senate turn the energy bill into an anti-energy bill?
www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm768.cfm


6. Call to Truth, Prudence and the Protection of the Poor: An ...
Call to Truth, Prudence and the Protection of the Poor: An Evangelical Response to Global Warming
www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev072506b.cfm


7. Keeping Our Cool
Author: Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D. Date: 2005/12/13
You can do a lot of things when December rolls around and temperatures plunge. But would you hold an international conference on global warming?
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed121305c.cfm


8. ed090302: A Needless Tradeoff
Author: Brett D. Schaefer Date: 2002/09/03
ed090302: A Needless Tradeoff
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed090302.cfm


9. Complaints about greenhouse gases are just a lot of hot air
Author: Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D. Date: 2007/01/04
Those of us old enough to remember the 1970s have no desire to relive those days. After all, it was an era of price controls, gasoline lines and stagflation. These ills were triggered when our government attempted to "fix" the economy by subverting the free market. Instead it simply ended up creating an eco
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed010407a.cfm


10. A Great G8, If the World Ditches Kyoto
Author: Ben Lieberman Date: 2005/07/08
Moving beyond Kyoto could ease third world poverty.
www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm789.cfm

Do you see a pattern developing there?

Originally Posted by fufu

Come on, Decker. You know what I am saying. There are people that say global warming is effected by humans and some that say it is not.

and I'm not talking about earth pollution. I've said in the past that I realize that pollution is very real and it should be being worked on.

Just because you think there is viable reasoning that global warming isn't causes by humans doesn't mean you don't care about the enviroment and don't give a shit about pollution.

Pollution is attendant to global warming b/c it contains some of the gases co2 methane etc that compose the greenhouse gas effect. The majority of scientists say that human activity is aggravating the greenhouse effect to our own detriment.

I think you are a thoughtful person who does care about the environment. However, I'm just pointing out that if what these scientists state is true, there is no alternative justification for disagreement.

The other side of the debate has a few credible scientists but is largely composed of Heritage Foundation type frauds who would do and say anything for a hefty subsidy from corporate america.

Unless of course science and academia are all part of the vast left wing conspiracy to stop global warming, then all bets are off.

Originally Posted by dg806

Isn't the arguement here that the greenhouse gases are causing global warming?

I think that is the case.

Originally Posted by Decker

Pollution is attendant to global warming b/c it contains some of the gases co2 methane etc that compose the greenhouse gas effect. The majority of scientists say that human activity is aggravating the greenhouse effect to our own detriment.

I think you are a thoughtful person who does care about the environment. However, I'm just pointing out that if what these scientists state is true, there is no alternative justification for disagreement.

The other side of the debate has a few credible scientists but is largely composed of Heritage Foundation type frauds who would do and say anything for a hefty subsidy from corporate america.

Unless of course science and academia are all part of the vast left wing conspiracy to stop global warming, then all bets are off.

You're wrong. Fufu is a traitorous kiki konservative.

Originally Posted by BigDyl

You're wrong. Fufu is a traitorous kiki konservative.

I don't hold any sides damn it!

Unless subconciously I am rebelling against dems for livining in MA.

Originally Posted by dg806

Al Gore is an idiot. In 10 years when everything is fine, I'll bump this thread.

Yeah Al Gore knows nothing. I just spent last Saturday afternoon in shorts while the temperature outside was a ball freezing 72 degrees in NJ. Al gore is a peckerhead but i think he's on to something.

Originally Posted by juggernaut

Yeah Al Gore knows nothing. I just spent last Saturday afternoon in shorts while the temperature outside was a ball freezing 72 degrees in NJ. Al gore is a peckerhead but i think he's on to something.

You remind me of these two guys who planed to hike through Alaska in the dead of winter to prove how much global warming had increased the tempurature.

They had to turn back because of an usually severe blizzard and the intense cold...

The Earth really is in a warming phase, but that doesn't make those two any less moronic.

Originally Posted by DOMS

I plan on watching it right after I watch Fahrenheit 9/11.

I plan on watching it right after I vote for the socialist party.

Originally Posted by clemson357

I plan on watching it right after I vote for the socialist party.

I plan on doing it after I've had gay sex with fufu.

Which would mean I'd watch it around 9:30.







Too graphic?

No blue balls tonight, baby!!!!! I'll warm your globes DOMS.

You're a sick, sick person, fufu. I guess that's why I stay with you...

Originally Posted by Prince

Is there anything gained by believing that global warming is a fact and we must do something about it?

Is there anything lost by believing that global warming is a fact?

So, isn't it more believable that global warming is true and all of the "science" that contradicts it only exists because big businesses would be hurt badly by acknowledging and that global warming is happening?

That's the only reason any adversity has come about, people who think they don't believe in it will turn right around and say "Global warming is a myth, but I still think we should ween our nation from fossil fuels..."

How fucking contradictory is that! I want the world to be better but this tool that will help us get there is not on the table.....come on I work in this field people we need all the ammo we can get against these large oil/coal black breath corporations who have so many hands dangling strings above congress...

Originally Posted by Prince

Is there anything gained by believing that global warming is a fact and we must do something about it?

Is there anything lost by believing that global warming is a fact?

So, isn't it more believable that global warming is true and all of the "science" that contradicts it only exists because big businesses would be hurt badly by acknowledging and that global warming is happening?

Turn that around and ask if there is anything lost or gained by believing global warming is not a fact?
I think there is more harm in the pollution we put in the air than the effect the greenhouse gases have on global warming. The smoky mountains are named that because of the constant haze that hangs over the mountains from pollution in the NE that rides southward over the mountains. This comes from coal burning plants. Acid rain is killing the forest.
http://www.post-gazette.com/healthsc...moky0908p2.asp

You gotta love this shit.

Some guy writes, in his blog, that 2006 was the warmest year on record in the US (this moron goes on to intimate that this temperature has never been reached before). And now the global warming morons are running around saying that "2006 Was the Warmest Year Ever"

This is the kind of moronic, idiotic, thoughtless shit that I'm talking about.

"Ooh, ooh! It's never been this hot before. Ooh, ooh, it's global warming!" So the fuck what?! How bit a deal is it that this is the hottest day in 150 years? Whoopdi-fucking-doo. That's the blink of an eye in geological terms. The Earth has been much warmer several times in the last few millions years.

But oh no! "It's the hottest day ever!" Just try to tell them any of the above and they'd cough up their sphincters.

Fucking dipshits.

Originally Posted by Decker

Pollution is attendant to global warming b/c it contains some of the gases co2 methane etc that compose the greenhouse gas effect. The majority of scientists say that human activity is aggravating the greenhouse effect to our own detriment.

I think you are a thoughtful person who does care about the environment. However, I'm just pointing out that if what these scientists state is true, there is no alternative justification for disagreement.

The other side of the debate has a few credible scientists but is largely composed of Heritage Foundation type frauds who would do and say anything for a hefty subsidy from corporate america.

Unless of course science and academia are all part of the vast left wing conspiracy to stop global warming, then all bets are off.

Hmmmm...I will have to think about all of this.

Originally Posted by DOMS

Fine. Let's just say that global warming is affected by man. Shit like the Kyoto Protocol isn't the way to try to fix things.

I agree, it lets other countries like China just get on with making triple the pollution, because the oil we won't be buying would just fall in their hands at a cheaper price, there should just be worldwide sanctions on every country in the UN to begin making changes....no argument....letting China run a muck would be very dangerous

And so long as it's understood that global warming can't be stopped.

It won't be stopped, we just don't have the AC power to cool the world, but accelerating it by continuing to fill the skies with pollutants doesn't allow time for delicate ecosystems to adapt like they would during a natural shift in temperatures (thats my whole argument is not that we are the sole cause, but that our helping make the planet warm faster is unnatural and will prove disastrous especially things like rapid melting of the arctic permafrost releasing the bacterium trapped inside faster than our environment can adapt.....)that is very scary stuff, we'll need time........we need to buy more time and to do that we need to take our foot off of the accelerator...

Originally Posted by maniclion

I agree, it lets other countries like China just get on with making triple the pollution, because the oil we won't be buying would just fall in their hands at a cheaper price, there should just be worldwide sanctions on every country in the UN to begin making changes....no argument....letting China run a muck would be very dangerous

You don't seem to understand. Under Kyoto, China (and the US) would still have produced a lot of pollution. They just would have paid other countries (like Russia) for the "credits" to do so.

You really should read up on it if you're going to comment about it.

Originally Posted by DOMS

You don't seem to understand. Under Kyoto, China (and the US) would still have produced a lot of pollution. They just would have paid other countries (like Russia) for the "credits" to do so.

You really should read up on it if you're going to comment about it.

I know about that too, but my worries come about with China and India, because both have zillions of people and are fast moving into being the main industrial nations of the world....they are starting to crave things like their own SUV's and electricity munching gadgets all over there homes just like Americans have, and then we won't be getting the cheap crap from them that they have been sending us , no we'll be getting expensive crap to support there energy hungry life styles, while we try to struggle to catch up with Japan and Germany to be energy independent.....that's what scares me most...

Originally Posted by maniclion

I know about that too, but my worries come about with China and India, because both have zillions of people and are fast moving into being the main industrial nations of the world....they are starting to crave things like their own SUV's and electricity munching gadgets all over there homes just like Americans have, and then we won't be getting the cheap crap from them that they have been sending us , no we'll be getting expensive crap to support there energy hungry life styles, while we try to struggle to catch up with Japan and Germany to be energy independent.....that's what scares me most...

Me too.

But Kyoto wasn't the way to solve it. And we can't make them want to either. Hell, people in the US care more about saving the panda than the Chinese do.

Originally Posted by maniclion

I know about that too, but my worries come about with China and India, because both have zillions of people and are fast moving into being the main industrial nations of the world....they are starting to crave things like their own SUV's and electricity munching gadgets all over there homes just like Americans have, and then we won't be getting the cheap crap from them that they have been sending us , no we'll be getting expensive crap to support there energy hungry life styles, while we try to struggle to catch up with Japan and Germany to be energy independent.....that's what scares me most...

You scare me the most.

Originally Posted by Decker

Go to the Heritage Foundation or any other 'think tank' that's funded by big business to learn how bullshit is packaged as credible academic findings. Here's the first page of articles of academic excellence from the HF re Global Warming:


1. No Evidence For Global Warming
Author: Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D. Date: 1998/01/22
No Evidence For Global Warming
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed012298b.cfm


2. Global Warming and Hot Air
Author: Angela Antonelli Date: 2000/12/04
Global Warming and Hot Air
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed120400.cfm


3. Administration Speaks with Forked Tongue on Global Warming
Author: Charli Coon Date: 2002/06/19
Administration Speaks with Forked Tongue on Global Warming
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed061902b.cfm


4. Kyoto Through the Back Door? A Debate on the Lieberman ...
Kyoto Through the Back Door?? A Debate on the Lieberman – McCain Climate Stewardship Act
www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev102703a.cfm


5. Kyoto Lite: A Potential Deal Breaker in the Senate Energy ...
Author: Ben Lieberman Date: 2005/06/20
Will the Senate turn the energy bill into an anti-energy bill?
www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm768.cfm


6. Call to Truth, Prudence and the Protection of the Poor: An ...
Call to Truth, Prudence and the Protection of the Poor: An Evangelical Response to Global Warming
www.heritage.org/Press/Events/ev072506b.cfm


7. Keeping Our Cool
Author: Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D. Date: 2005/12/13
You can do a lot of things when December rolls around and temperatures plunge. But would you hold an international conference on global warming?
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed121305c.cfm


8. ed090302: A Needless Tradeoff
Author: Brett D. Schaefer Date: 2002/09/03
ed090302: A Needless Tradeoff
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed090302.cfm


9. Complaints about greenhouse gases are just a lot of hot air
Author: Edwin J. Feulner, Ph.D. Date: 2007/01/04
Those of us old enough to remember the 1970s have no desire to relive those days. After all, it was an era of price controls, gasoline lines and stagflation. These ills were triggered when our government attempted to "fix" the economy by subverting the free market. Instead it simply ended up creating an eco
www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed010407a.cfm


10. A Great G8, If the World Ditches Kyoto
Author: Ben Lieberman Date: 2005/07/08
Moving beyond Kyoto could ease third world poverty.
www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/wm789.cfm

Do you see a pattern developing there?

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