dg806

**JUST THE REAL FACTS...FROM A REAL AMERICAN.**

JOHN GLENN SAID

Things that make you think a little:


There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.


When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:



a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.


c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us ..
>From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.

d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us .

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
>From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us .
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran, and, North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.


The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.


But Wait



It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation..


We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.


It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.


It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !
The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts


But Wait
There's more!


JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13


Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living.



This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.


Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"


Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."


"I ask you to go with me ..! . as I w ent the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!


You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.


You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags.



You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about you?"


For those who don't remember .
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA.

Now he's a Senator!



If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.


It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating



(The man with the boots does not mind where he places his foot.)

1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

ReproMan

Great post DG.

DOMS

Damn that was good. That helps to put things into perspective, especially for those that can't think on their own.

I should point out that none of that changes my opinion that Bush is an ass hat.

ReproMan

Ditto.

Decker

You posted this already: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ght=John+Glenn (What Senator John Glenn Said)
Ridiculous analogy—it breaks down immediately—comparing the unnecessary deaths as a result of an illegal invasion w/ customary homicide rates of a large city might fly with those listening to the EIB but not in real life. See, those deaths in Iraq aren’t that bad, why it happens all the time in the US. Nauseating.


These statements present examples so dissimilar (not to mention factually inaccurate) from the Iraq invasion that the only commonality is the US armed forces. World War II and Iraq? Right. Germany declared war on the US after the Pearl Harbor attack. Germany had a nonaggression pact w/ its ally Japan.

Korea: The lives weren’t lost, they were taken brutally. Truman initiated the police action under UN authority. Bush’s invasion of Iraq flouted UN consent.

Viet Nam: Eisenhower started opposition to the Geneva Accords and Kennedy buttressed that position by sending more advisors and military/economic aid to Viet Nam.

Johnson really fucked up by continuing a horrible foreign war. Bush started the Iraq invasion.

Clinton’s bombing of Bosnia was a US led NATO mission and one I also did not agree with. Please stop w/ the Bin Laden Head on a Platter stories. It is pure propaganda and embarrassing.

As for entry g., I won’t quibble about pie-in-the sky spin.


The Branch Davidian attack was a brutal unconstitutional use of gov. force. There should have been many criminal indictments.

Clinton and Rose Law firm—irrelevant.

The rest of the list is more nonsense that plays to ideologues. Bush is not a competent president. If this tour-de-force posting of yours is the best you got, the media may be right. No offense.



I just reprinted what I wrote back then.

dg806

Damn

1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

DOMS

You attack that as rabidly and blindly as the pro-Bush people defend him.

Decker

Which part is blind?

The part about Germany declaring war on the US and not vice-versa?

That Truman followed UN dictates for a legal use of force and Bush did not?

That Clinton followed the law in his use of the military?

Help me out here. If I'm blind, I'd like to see again.

ReproMan

Busted!

DOMS

Oh, it's not the facts, it's the rabid attitude that you displayed. You blow off the parts you could provide facts for or say "I didn't agree with".

Again, it's not the facts, it's the similarity between your posts and the those that blindly follow Bush.

Decker

So I rabidly follow Bush. How is that following possible if I am doing it blindly?

Please point out the parts that I "blow off."

BoneCrusher

dg I love ya man. You can say what you want ... I'd smash down anyone that tried to silence you. You're devotion to Bush is something I don't understand though ...

Decker and a few others will come in and do the deed on you over your post, but I will only ask why you are still a fan after all that has been seen about the man?

KelJu

I like to wipe my ass with DG's pro Bush threads.

DOMS

"Clinton and Rose Law firm—irrelevant."

Self explanitory.

"Germany had a nonaggression pact w/ its ally Japan."

This doesn't refute the fact that Germany never attacked us. BTW, did you know that we forced Japan to attack us?

"The rest of the list is more nonsense that plays to ideologues."

ReproMan

I don't understand it either. The thing that gets me is talking to a Bush supporter in person, I can't even look them in the eyes....

DOMS

Tip: When you're done on the toilet, wipe up, not down. Then maybe you wouldn't need DGs threads.

KelJu

Could you elaborate on this one?

BoneCrusher

Why attack the man? Address the content of the post ... dg is just doing what he feels is right.

KelJu

I know that. I am just joking around.

DOMS

Sure. The US, directly, and through others, placed an embargo on Japan (specifically oil). They did this to provoke the Japanese into attacking a US interest so that the people would get behind the war. Back then the American people were pretty much isolationists. They wanted nothing to do with the "European war" and "Asian war", but the US needed to get invovled or the Axis would likely have won (and before a major threat directly to the US) or, at least, the toll on Europe would have been much greater.

Now, before you conspiracy nuts go...even more nuts, the US did not allow Pearl Harbor to happen. The people in charge knew that Japan would retaliate, but they didn't believe that Japan would strike so boldly.

NordicNacho

"b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year."


Germany declared war on us!

http://www.roqofthe80s.com/#

NordicNacho

c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us ..
>From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.


UN was involved. None of this go it alone cowboy shit.

http://www.roqofthe80s.com/#

NordicNacho

all that shit is made up john glenn never said it Fucking Republicans are the lowest of the low.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp


http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/johnglenn.html

http://www.roqofthe80s.com/#

DOMS

After we started to help the Brits.

NordicNacho

No after Japan attacked us. We had been helping england for long time before that.

http://www.roqofthe80s.com/#

DOMS

I stand corrected.

Decker

Sorry DOMS. You're right. But could you explain to me the relevance of the Clinton/Rose law firm topic as it pertains to how long the occupation is taking? From where I'm sitting, why not use the time it takes for a turd to decompose? Boy, I'm feeling my oats now.

As for Germany, what's the matter with my statement as far as the comparison to Iraq goes?

Or did I miss the part where Iraq declared war on the US?

My last sentence is damn near a work of beauty in its efficacy.

Oh yes, I do know about the oil embargo. It's mentioned in The Godfather.

DOMS

I didn't say it was irrelevant, I said that you blew it off. Here, this might help.

The author is obviously not being serious on every point, yet you, for some pseudo-intellectual reason, try to be.

You miss a lot of things, but that's not one of them. Germany was a supporter of the Japanese, who attacked the US. Iraq was a supporter of the Arab terrorists, who attacked us.

So is a train wreck.

BigDyl

Actually I believe there were offical documents released that the gov knew they were going to attack pearl harbor 2 weeks ahead of time.

Total ownage.

DOMS

Sure there was. They just haven't turned up in the last 65 years or so.