Requirements for Democratic Presidential Candidate

DOMS · 02-15-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Decker

You make a senseless point.

Only if you lack the sense to think it through.

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Originally Posted by Decker

Retaliation is meaningless in the context of terrorism. What is not meaningless is tracking down terrorists and arresting them.

All during the 90s, terrorists openly trained in several Mid-East countries. There was only one token attack made against such a camp. Well, there was one other attack, and that did its job of taking out an aspirin factory. Yeah...

You yammered on about the money that Clinton threw at the problem. Here, let's take a look at part of your beautiful bulleted list:

· Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million
· Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million
· Passenger Profiling: $10 million
· Screener Training: $5.3 million
· Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million
· Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million

It's a good thing he threw 176.6 millions dollars at that problem. It worked out so well.

Moving on...

How many terrorist attacks abroad did the US suffer during Clinton's term? How many have we suffered since Bush went on the offensive?

ALBOB · 02-15-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Decker

Retaliation is meaningless in the context of terrorism.

That is absolutely false. Retaliation is the ONLY way to deal with these terrorists. Every single time we've shown strength, they've gone running for the hills. LITERALLY. Every single time we've shown weakness or hesitance, they've grown bolder. Time and time again we've seen how the terrorists and their supporters have tried to influence our elections in order to put Democrats in power. They know that when the Dems are in power the terrorists get to run free.

BigDyl · 02-15-2007, 01:06 PM

Everytime you retaliate you create more terrorists... therein lies the problem watson...

ALBOB · 02-15-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Everytime you retaliate you create more terrorists... therein lies the problem watson...

Again, that's only true in the incredibly misguided mind of the left. In reality, when you kill 100 terrorists, you have 100 LESS terrorists. It's when you DON'T retaliate that they sit in their mosques and preach death to the infidels. (You and I are the infidels.

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BigDyl · 02-15-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

Again, that's only true in the incredibly misguided mind of the left. In reality, when you kill 100 terrorists, you have 100 LESS terrorists. It's when you DON'T retaliate that they sit in their mosques and preach death to the infidels. (You and I are the infidels.

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Then you have to do it cleanly. No more shock n awe, droppin' MOAB's on villages and such.

DOMS · 02-15-2007, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Then you have to do it cleanly. No more shock n awe, droppin' MOAB's on villages and such.

I'm starting to warm up to you.

BigDyl · 02-15-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I'm starting to warm up to you.

That's the reaction most people have to me...

DOMS · 02-15-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

That's the reaction most people have to me...

...now that the nausea has passed.

brogers · 02-15-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

And republicans didn't do the same?? You have much to learn, grasshopper.

Any politician on either side who has done that is spineless and disgusting. I never made a distinction between the two, you did in your post, which I quoted and responded to. Apparently, you're the one who needs to learn.

brogers · 02-15-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by min0 lee

I have to agree with you on this one, they were riding the wave to get votes and now the tide has turned.........

I think strict term limits could help this problem quite a bit.

ALBOB · 02-15-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDyl

Then you have to do it cleanly. No more shock n awe, droppin' MOAB's on villages and such.

Really? Please refresh my memory, when did we do that?

goandykid · 02-15-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by brogers

Any politician on either side who has done that is spineless and disgusting. I never made a distinction between the two, you did in your post, which I quoted and responded to. Apparently, you're already all knowing. I apologize.

I corrected your post for you, padawan.

goandykid · 02-15-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

That is absolutely false. Retaliation is the ONLY way to deal with these terrorists. Every single time we've shown strength, they've gone running for the hills. LITERALLY. Every single time we've shown weakness or hesitance, they've grown bolder. Time and time again we've seen how the terrorists and their supporters have tried to influence our elections in order to put Democrats in power. They know that when the Dems are in power the terrorists get to run free.

The bolded part I generally agree with. However, this propagandized "weak democrat" stigma is ridiculous. Weren't the last several major influential wars fought under Democratic presidents?? Let's even go way, way way back. Our freaking independence is because of liberally minded politicians. Black people were freed in the Civil War, sparked by a liberally minded president in a top hat.

This weak Dem shit is ridiculous.

goandykid · 02-15-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Only if you lack the sense to think it through.

All during the 90s, terrorists openly trained in several Mid-East countries. There was only one token attack made against such a camp. Well, there was one other attack, and that did its job of taking out an aspirin factory. Yeah...

You yammered on about the money that Clinton threw at the problem. Here, let's take a look at part of your beautiful bulleted list:

· Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million
· Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million
· Passenger Profiling: $10 million
· Screener Training: $5.3 million
· Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million
· Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million

It's a good thing he threw 176.6 millions dollars at that problem. It worked out so well.

Moving on...

How many terrorist attacks abroad did the US suffer during Clinton's term? How many have we suffered since Bush went on the offensive?

I love when you and Deck trade jabs like that. It really does end up making the political thread.

goandykid · 02-15-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

The bolded part I generally agree with. However, this propagandized "weak democrat" stigma is ridiculous. Weren't the last several major influential wars fought under Democratic presidents?? Let's even go way, way way back. Our freaking independence is because of liberally minded politicians. Black people were freed in the Civil War, sparked by a liberally minded president in a top hat.

This weak Dem shit is ridiculous.

To elaborate, the arguably greatest Rep president was Reagan, not exactly a warrior, unless you include a movie screen.

The closest he got to this "we're strong and the shit, we're republican" was the Iran-Contra scandal. Sweet.

ALBOB · 02-15-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

The bolded part I generally agree with. However, this propagandized "weak democrat" stigma is ridiculous. Weren't the last several major influential wars fought under Democratic presidents?? Let's even go way, way way back. Our freaking independence is because of liberally minded politicians. Black people were freed in the Civil War, sparked by a liberally minded president in a top hat.

This weak Dem shit is ridiculous.

You are correct, I shouldn't have said Democrat. I should have specified TODAY'S liberals. (Deferring to your point about our founding fathers.

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goandykid · 02-15-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

You are correct, I shouldn't have said Democrat. I should have specified TODAY'S liberals. (Deferring to your point about our founding fathers.

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I will give you that. Before DOMS castrates me w/ his republican political pliers, I'll probably be voting for Mccain come polling time. Shit, I don't want Hillary, and Obama won't win the primary. Plus McCain will treat our troops right.

I see your point though. Kerry was certainly no man's man. Having said that, I still believe 9/11 would have happened under any president in office at that time, and all would have entered afghanistan to some degree.

However, no one else wouldve entered Iraq...

And before you start thinking that I'm about to say GWB is manlier than Kerry... At least Kerry fought and didnt skip out, some president we got there huh. He's certianly ballsy. Oh yeah, and he was a prep school cheerleader. Shit man, Conan's got nothiing on him.

DOMS · 02-15-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by goandykid

I love when you and Deck trade jabs like that. It really does end up making the political thread.

Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I like to visualize it as a boxing match. When he really starts to get me (on insults or facts) I can see myself on the ropes.

Trading vitriolic comments and debating with people are why I really like coming to Open Chat.

goandykid · 02-15-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I like to visualize it as a boxing match. When he really starts to get me (on insults or facts) I can see myself on the ropes.

Trading vitriolic comments and debating with people are why I really like coming to Open Chat.

Really? I like to pretend I know what I'm talking about, then take it all out on clemson.

Juuuuust kidding.

DOMS · 02-15-2007, 04:18 PM

Decker · 02-15-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ALBOB

That is absolutely false. Retaliation is the ONLY way to deal with these terrorists. Every single time we've shown strength, they've gone running for the hills. LITERALLY. Every single time we've shown weakness or hesitance, they've grown bolder. Time and time again we've seen how the terrorists and their supporters have tried to influence our elections in order to put Democrats in power. They know that when the Dems are in power the terrorists get to run free.

I don't think that is true. Remember Beirut and Reagan's showing of strength? 241 servicemen were bombed to death.

Retaliation implies conventional warfare in my estimation. Terrorism is a police problem. That's what I was getting at.

As for your democrats statement. I like scotch ALBOB, but I don't drink and post on this forum.

Decker · 02-15-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Only if you lack the sense to think it through.

All during the 90s, terrorists openly trained in several Mid-East countries. There was only one token attack made against such a camp. Well, there was one other attack, and that did its job of taking out an aspirin factory. Yeah...

You yammered on about the money that Clinton threw at the problem. Here, let's take a look at part of your beautiful bulleted list:

· Screen Checked Baggage: $91.1 million
· Screen Carry-On Baggage: $37.8 million
· Passenger Profiling: $10 million
· Screener Training: $5.3 million
· Screen Passengers (portals) and Document Scanners: $1 million
· Deploying Existing Technology to Inspect International Air Cargo: $31.4
million

It's a good thing he threw 176.6 millions dollars at that problem. It worked out so well.

Moving on...

How many terrorist attacks abroad did the US suffer during Clinton's term? How many have we suffered since Bush went on the offensive?

That's some conclusion. Is that why Bush keeps taking credit for non-existent terrorist attacks across our country? If Al Qaeda was 1/2 as well-armed and organized as Bush et al. would like us to believe, we'd have many more attacks.

BigDyl · 02-15-2007, 04:46 PM

AL Q is a joke compared to other organized crime organizations. That's exactly what they are though, organized crime.

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