Thread: UFO evidence or hoax?

Originally Posted by BigDyl

Aliens are scary.

UFO Area: Texas Family Experiences Missing Time

Originally Posted by DOMS

Originally Posted by viet_jon

if they were, there could be only 2 scenario's.

1) we're not getting along - with the technology they would have to fly 30 million light years, we'd be toast by now.

2) we are getting along - they would atleast share a bit of their technology with us, and we too would be flying faster than the speed of light


since neither is the case.....no they're not here already.

Using logic to solve anything is always the best thing t do, but you have to work through the issues a little more slowly if you want to get it right. You made two bold huge leaps of logic a little to fast and missed your mark.

I would think we would both agree that if aliens came to this planet they would have certain required basics. A reason to be here would be one thing needed regardless of where they came from if they are here there has to be a reason.

Does that reason require that we are somehow involved in their processes or experiences either knowingly or unknowingly? No it doesn't at all. Why would any extraterrestrial entity require our involvement in their situation? They can come here look around covertly and move on with no help or input from us if they chose. An extraterrestrial tourist group could land, do their thing, and leave with no need of involving us at all.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Using logic to solve anything is always the best thing t do, but you have to work through the issues a little more slowly if you want to get it right. You made two bold huge leaps of logic a little to fast and missed your mark.

I would think we would both agree that if aliens came to this planet they would have certain required basics. A reason to be here would be one thing needed regardless of where they came from if they are here there has to be a reason.

Does that reason require that we are somehow involved in their processes or experiences either knowingly or unknowingly? No it doesn't at all. Why would any extraterrestrial entity require our involvement in their situation? They can come here look around covertly and move on with no help or input from us if they chose. An extraterrestrial tourist group could land, do their thing, and leave with no need of involving us at all.

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Using logic to solve anything is always the best thing t do, but you have to work through the issues a little more slowly if you want to get it right. You made two bold huge leaps of logic a little to fast and missed your mark.

I would think we would both agree that if aliens came to this planet they would have certain required basics. A reason to be here would be one thing needed regardless of where they came from if they are here there has to be a reason.

Does that reason require that we are somehow involved in their processes or experiences either knowingly or unknowingly? No it doesn't at all. Why would any extraterrestrial entity require our involvement in their situation? They can come here look around covertly and move on with no help or input from us if they chose. An extraterrestrial tourist group could land, do their thing, and leave with no need of involving us at all.

That solves it then.We are simply a crop to them.They placed some of us here and have given us thousands of years to multiply and they simply want to keep track of their crops.Eventually they will come hear to feed and only the Mexican's will survive because they will be mistaken as spoiled meat.

Originally Posted by zombul

That solves it then.We are simply a crop to them.They placed some of us here and have given us thousands of years to multiply and they simply want to keep track of their crops.Eventually they will come hear to feed and only the Mexican's will survive because they will be mistaken as spoiled meat.

You're a mexican.








...at least in that one movie...

Originally Posted by BigDyl

You're a mexican.








...at least in that one movie...

The B film or the C????

Originally Posted by zombul

The B film or the C????

You're in a B film?

Originally Posted by goob

Holly shit WTF was that???

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Holly shit WTF was that???

Proof of alien life.....

Originally Posted by BoneCrusher

Using logic to solve anything is always the best thing t do, but you have to work through the issues a little more slowly if you want to get it right. You made two bold huge leaps of logic a little to fast and missed your mark.

I would think we would both agree that if aliens came to this planet they would have certain required basics. A reason to be here would be one thing needed regardless of where they came from if they are here there has to be a reason.

Does that reason require that we are somehow involved in their processes or experiences either knowingly or unknowingly? No it doesn't at all. Why would any extraterrestrial entity require our involvement in their situation? They can come here look around covertly and move on with no help or input from us if they chose. An extraterrestrial tourist group could land, do their thing, and leave with no need of involving us at all.

i have to disagree.


nope....ET's do not require our involvement in whatever it is they are up to. BUt , it is highly probable that they would have an interest to make some sort of contact with the smartest life form on the planet they are visiting.......just as if we we're to find life in a distant galaxy on a distant planet.

Also....given the itsy bitsy chance of intelligent life evolving on any planet...... for them ET's to search countless solar systems and landing on countless planets, to finally find an intelligent life form................it is highly probable their curiosity would "make" them communicate with us.

If we had the capability to fly a few 100 lightyears in what takes a plane to fly from NY to LA, why would they try and make contact?

Do we not fly 7 hours to Africa to sit in a jeep and watch wildlife from afar? Do we try and interfere? We sit and watch elephant graze from about a mile away. Are the elephants aware of us? Probably, but do we actually go to any lenghts to disguise the fact that we are there, watching them?
I don't think, any civilsed(e.g structured, life that has come to it's natural peak evolution) alien lifeform, would think it wise to contact 'us', just yet. With all the country to country, ideal to ideal, fighting throughout our history, we are not ready for that yet. And they would know this.

Originally Posted by goob

If we had the capability to fly a few 100 lightyears in what takes a plane to fly from NY to LA, why would they try and make contact?

Do we not fly 7 hours to Africa to sit in a jeep and watch wildlife from afar? Do we try and interfere? We sit and watch elephant graze from about a mile away. Are the elephants aware of us? Probably, but do we actually go to any lenghts to disguise the fact that we are there, watching them?
I don't think, any civilsed(e.g structured, life that has come to it's natural peak evolution) alien lifeform, would think it wise to contact 'us', just yet. With all the country to country, ideal to ideal, fighting throughout our history, we are not ready for that yet. And they would know this.

Then they kill the elephant and take their tusks and leave the rest for dead...

Originally Posted by fufu

Then they kill the elephant and take their tusks and leave the rest for dead...

apeman=humans
humans=aliens

Originally Posted by viet_jon

i have to disagree.


nope....ET's do not require our involvement in whatever it is they are up to. BUt , it is highly probable that they would have an interest to make some sort of contact with the smartest life form on the planet they are visiting.......just as if we we're to find life in a distant galaxy on a distant planet.

We can only get to the moon. By the time we develop the ability to travel the kind of distances needed to make it to other planets and back we will have evolved a bit more as a species. Looking past the obvious parts and peeking into the lessor visible areas ... like the maturity level of our selflessness ... we have to imagine where we would be in the evolutionary process.

An immature male with his woman and two kids walking down the street gets insulted by three thugs. By reacting to the insult he opens his woman and kids up to the threat these three thugs represent. A mature male would not react in a way that would jeopardize the well being of the group. Extrapolate this concept out to our extraterrestrial tour group. If they're here to engage us then the task is most likely going to be done strategically and to their advantage ... we would not be having this conversation if that were the case. Logically then these tourists are not here with the intention of engaging us ... we'd have no doubts if these guys were out for conversation.

Murphy's Law and the law of large numbers both basically boil down to the same thing ... shit happens. Do something 100 times and out of those 100 times shit will happen ... something will go wrong. I seriously doubt that this is going to be different on other planets ... regardless of who you are or what planet you're from ... shit happens. So these ET's are bound by a few ... if not all ... basic laws of physics same as us. We get a flat tire, their flux capacitor gets the hiccups. Shit happens. ET's means of transport goes south on him and he gets the galactic version of Gilligan's Island. Law of large numbers says that has to happen sooner or later. By unforeseeable happenstance we've seen ET ...

Originally Posted by viet_jon

Also....given the itsy bitsy chance of intelligent life evolving on any planet...... for them ET's to search countless solar systems and landing on countless planets, to finally find an intelligent life form................it is highly probable their curiosity would "make" them communicate with us.

By their own needs and in their own way ... I agree with you here. Who drives from Idaho to California for a trip to Disneyland and doesn't have a chat with Donald Duck? But as you approach DOnald if you see him pissing down Mickey Mouse's arse do you still talk to him? Course not. Donald Duck is obviously having a bad day. While Donald is pissing down Mickey's backside and telling him it's raining ... you move on to someone that fits your set of needs. You still need parts for that flux capacitor from somewhere right?

So ... does any species developed enough to read the fine print on our Constitution really want to speak to Dick Chaney? Logically I think ET would have enough sense to avoid duck hunting with Dick Chaney, or Blair, Bush, Nixon, Hitler, Hover, Henry the XIII, or Genghis Kahn. Regardless of what point you look at in the history of humanity it was controlled not by our best ... but by our worst representatives. ET's interactions with our species would logically then have been with persons more tuned to meet the flux capacitor needs of ET at that time.

My point is that any species evolved enough to make the trip, even with the unforeseen happening, will still be able to deal with their intentions and situations with an evolved sense of methodology.